Question about Expat temper

**DJ Pat** · 15-10-2009, 06:45 PM

^^It was her bloody fault I was late.

Her intellctual younger sibling stuck to us like glue, I had to do a runner from them in Siam Sq to get to you in On Nut.

Ever tried to lose a chatty, muso type who bangs on about playing the fucking vibes and what crappy paintings 'say' to him.

My brains were well fried already.

**DJ Pat** · 15-10-2009, 06:50 PM

Why do many Expat’s, Farang (male and 60+), exhibit such impatience and irritability?

Funnily enough to overweight Europeans in their 50s are doing this in this net cafe next to me.

I gotta get out of here, I'm meeting Big John for a drink.

**crazy dog** · 15-10-2009, 07:29 PM

went to wat po today (don't ask) with Mrs, last trip there took three hours on bus to get home due to some tit having an accident with, as usual, no helmet, traffic backlogged mark mark.- I was pissed off. Today thinking no fear of a repeat went again only this time the bus had an accident, driver orders all off and as he has to rush the injured conductor to Hospital. Get on the next bus who will not accept anyone's story about the accident as no official confirmation, so have to pay again (air con) Takes over three hours to get home, yep a got pretty pissed off again as all down to idiots who cannot obey the simplest of road safety rules, or who cannot drive with the slightest common sense.

**robuzo** · 15-10-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by Shitdigit

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

About the 200th time you make a 30 Baht purchase, and give the cashier a 50, and they have to call three of their friends and get the calculator to figure out that you get 20 back

Spot on with this one, do you think they do it to wind us up or are they really that stupid.

Feel I need to put in a good word for the kids at my local 7, and the woman who runs the little store in our building (she sells Beer Lao!). The kids at 7 are unfailingly polite, and handle the little tasks I give them, paying bills and such, with great aplomb. The lady that runs the shop in my building also handles my laundry, and she is great- always asks after my kid, etc. The people at my local market are pretty nice, too, and I don't mind leaving my kid with the Muslim fruit monger, who adores him, while I have a wander. I also have to add that I have had a succession of good taxi drivers, some really nice guys- even the dummies that have to be told the way to go are friendly. I guess it helps to speak a little Thai, although I think my Thai sucks.

I'm trying to think of places where I get either poor or inept service, and I keep coming up with places that cater either to farangs or rich people or both. Some of the male staff especially at Villa have no manners, and the cashiers are usually taciturn. The Villa staff get treated like dirt by the management, who are basically greedy pigs (I know one of the girls working at my Villa pretty well), so it isn't too surprising they are unhappy. Emporium is a mixed bag.

The thing that embitters me about Thailand is the corruption, which is multifaceted. It makes me not want to engage or pretend to be anything but a permanent outsider. I don't want to jump the through the necessary hoops to take a go at setting up shop here, finding clients and paying taxes, for example. Then there are day-to-day items; having no faith in local officials, such as cops, or the people at Immigration. Possibly the fact that I hang out with a lot of attorneys shapes my attitude about Thai officialdom and business practices. If I were trying to run a business here I would probably be a lot more annoyed at the systemic nonsense and criminality, and tendency the tendency toward shiftlessness, unreliability, and irresponsibility of workers (despite all the good ones I encounter almost daily); I can see that happening with a very good-natured friend of mine running a guest house in Hua Hin. I can imagine myself living here in the future, or least keeping Thailand a base, but only as kind of visitor- either on a family visa (which allows me to stay pretty much as long as want but not actually to do anything, or a retirement visa. Being here a couple of years has dissuaded me from wanting to try anything entrepreneurial here, at least at this point. I don't want Thailand getting its hooks in me any more than it has. My hat is off to the guys who have succeeded in business here, and I realize they are many.

I don't think the guys in their 50's and 60's whom I know here are really any crankier than the ones I know in Florida or elsewhere. Possibly they are even less irritable, because the guys here who want to get laid are doing so, either with girlfriends/wives or with working girls, for less than the cost of a mortgage payment in the latter case, unlike Florida. The level of sexual frustration I see among middle-aged males in the States is chilling- sexual frustration for farangs in Thailand often means "erectile dysfunction," but older guys in the States are lucky if they get to that stage. The criminalization of prostitution has the effect of forcing a kind of de facto eunuch-hood on a lot of American males. For an awful lot of guys back home, unless your wife still turns you on and has an interest in sex (and women who have borne a couple of kids often lose that interest, understandably), your sex life is basically over at 50 unless you are willing to break the law. That must be a hard thing to face up to.

Maybe the author of the OP needs to spend more time hanging out with aging males in his/her home country before making judgments about the ones here. I'm not sure what the poster expects;as my grandfather used to say, getting old is a bitch, so sorry of those of us pushing 50 and over seem a bit crotchety.

**Davis Knowlton** · 15-10-2009, 08:26 PM

Nice. I too generally have had good experiences with those whom I know, or with whom I have a daily interaction. But there are a fair amount of dolts out there, as there are in any country. And I agree that many of these wage slaves are in fact paid slave wages, and have little, or no, incentive to do much of anything. So, the world turns - much of it pretty much the same.

**robuzo** · 15-10-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by chitown

Originally Posted by Shitdigit

Everyone can display temper in stressful situations

You got that right.

I have seen Thais lose it as well and more often than not the violence trumps most reactions that a farang has.

The potential for violence, which is something people visiting Thailand don't tend to perceive, but long-time expats recognize, is an irritant, as is the driving. I wonder if the aggression and disregard for others shown in driving doesn't have the same roots as the violence.

**robuzo** · 15-10-2009, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Nice. I too generally have had good experiences with those whom I know, or with whom I have a daily interaction. But there are a fair amount of dolts out there, as there are in any country. And I agree that many of these wage slaves are in fact paid slave wages, and have little, or no, incentive to do much of anything. So, the world turns - much of it pretty much the same.

One thing about Thais, if they are being rude pricks you can make them lose face if you are kind and friendly in return. This probably doesn't work with the masters of passive aggression at La Migra.

**taxexile** · 15-10-2009, 09:24 PM

after having to deal with the staff at dixons in the uk whilst attempting to buy a fridge for my mum during a visit in the summer i find dealing with salespeople here in thailand a refreshing change.

even though they may exhibit little initiative, and are painfully slow, 99% of the time they are friendly and try to be helpful and that goes a long way in reducing any anger or frustration i may feel with their performance. they are often held responsible by management for any mistakes and so tend to perform each and every transaction as if it were their first, i.e. sloooowly.

the worst ones are invariably encountered when filling up the car and i can only assumes that the fumes they inhale all day have dissolved away most of their brain.

immigration is another story altogether and one just has to sit and seethe as they play their little power games of intimidation and indifference. they know that falangs lose their tempers easily and i think some of them just enjoy and take advantage of any opportunities for provocation that present themselves....and seeing some of the specimens that turn up to renew visas etc. who can blame them.

**helge** · 15-10-2009, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by BCDelica

Why do many Expat’s, Farang (male and 60+), exhibit such impatience and irritability?

It is not only farangs, who get irritated with the widespread incompetance. Only we are not yet perfected in the art of hiding it.

**Rural Surin** · 15-10-2009, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I think that the people that ineffectually moan and complain about stuff here would ineffectually moan and complain about things irrespective of where they were.

There's just people who apparently like to moan.

More than likely. But this character trait is often display by Western expats in non-Western cultures.

**DrAndy** · 15-10-2009, 09:49 PM

yes, it is

but also by loads of others even when they are at home

There was a guy on the bus just in front of me; he was moaning when I got on and was still going strong when I got off...23 minutes of drivel, almost as bad as those on mobiles

**Jarvis** · 15-10-2009, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Shitdigit

Everyone can display temper in stressful situations,

This Nigerian was shoving in the que on the Laos boarder once, trying to get his passport stamped before anyone else. No fukin way was he jumping in before me. The cnut was getting rowdy and wanting to fight two older yank blokes who pulled him up for jumping in. Anyway, as I was getting my stamp I informed the immi officer that the said Nigerian was smoking weed - didn't see him on the shuttle bus for Nong Khai after that

**lom** · 15-10-2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

They do have a name you know. The English.

I thought they were Brits...

**Stinky** · 15-10-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jarvis

Originally Posted by Shitdigit

Everyone can display temper in stressful situations,

This Nigerian was shoving in the que on the Laos boarder once, trying to get his passport stamped before anyone else. No fukin way was he jumping in before me. The cnut was getting rowdy and wanting to fight two older yank blokes who pulled him up for jumping in. Anyway, as I was getting my stamp I informed the immi officer that the said Nigerian was smoking weed - didn't see him on the shuttle bus for Nong Khai after that

Excellent stuff, I'll bet they gave him a proper hard time

**StrontiumDog** · 15-10-2009, 10:44 PM

I'm not old and I get pissed off at stupidity constantly. Can't wait to get old then...I bet I'll be a right barrel of laughs.

**Stinky** · 16-10-2009, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

They do have a name you know. The English.

I thought they were Brits...

No we're not all Brits.

Brits encompasses England, Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and any economic migrant that manages to scam a passport.

I'm English and you'll probably find that most of the Welsh, Scots and Northern Irish want to maintain there individual National Identities too.

The only people that refer to themselves as British en-mass are the Immigrants.

**madjbs** · 16-10-2009, 12:42 AM

I have to say that westerners in Thailand are some of the most ignorant, bigoted and downright thick or stupid bunch of expats I have ever come across.

Good ones do exist, but, they are not widespread. That is for sure.........

**larvidchr** · 16-10-2009, 01:54 AM

Answer to the questions in the OP:

Most of the expats I see loose their temper is uneducated hooligans and buffoons, it almost never fails, drunk scum shouting and swearing, often with no t-shirt's on and lot's of permanent body paint demonstrating they do know someone that can spell simple words like "Mum-Hate and Fuck", shaved heads and exactly the same attitude that they use back home in Desolate Shire, Inbred Lane, postcode- No Mail delivery any-more.

Using rude language to immigration officials and blasting them because they themselves are to dim to check up on the rules that do change frequently, and believing that the louder they shout the higher the chance of the foreigner in front of them instantly learns to understand their language.
The English speaking lot almost go into cardiac arrest when it dawns upon them that everybody in the world don't speak English.

People that loose their temper because they feel powerless and abused in the face of people even more disadvantaged than themselves truly are Morons, and if you go to a 3 world country you have to expect 3 world efficiency, 3 world education levels that can spawn xenophobia, fear and resentment, yes and even widespread ignorance and indifference as to the origins and importance of your wonderful self.

Reasonably educated and experienced travellers and expats, know that no amount of shouting, red faced huffing and puffing or rude fingers, is likely to remedy all the above, but keeping calm and patient while using tact and diplomacy (sometimes in the shape of small "gifts") will normally smooth the path and make you live longer due to less stress.

But I know why the OP sees so many of the tantrum types, because a great many of the Thailand visitors, come curtsey low fare airline tickets, that have made it possible for the trailer trash types to travel to even the furthest reaches of the world, labourer types on meagre pensions, that really cant afford fees over 100 baht if they are to pay the room, food and beer, and thus get angry and desperate while ignoring the obvious fact, that they should never have come here in the first place.
And relationship challenged weirdo's and perverts who have never been able to relate to or understand anybody never mind a foreigner in a foreign country.

Most of the above are as sensitive to their situation as brick wall's, they don't understand why things are not just like back home, and why others don't always automatic understand their needs and want's immediately, the concept of their rights being diminished to some extend in a foreign 3 world country is way way over their capability's of comprehension.

And finally of cause, people who you don't understand are always the stupid ones, and things you can't control is always shit.

So Thais are dog stupid and Thailand is a shit-hole.

Easy peasy

PS. any likeness to any known persons or events is completely intentional.

**DJ Pat** · 16-10-2009, 02:27 AM

I barged some farang c*nt in a club in Thong Lor tonight. It was crowded and I wanted to get past - He wouldn't move out the way. I dfon't normally care but he knew I was there and just wouldn't move for me.

I was willing to kick his c*nt in in front of all the Thais there.

**larvidchr** · 16-10-2009, 02:34 AM

Maybe it would have done him some good with a lesson in manners

although it was good you didn't, bar-fights (any fight's between adults not defending life or property) really is stupid and to be avoided if at all possible, especially at my age

.

**DJ Pat** · 16-10-2009, 02:38 AM

^ That was why, actually.

**larvidchr** · 16-10-2009, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

^ That was why, actually.

Green sent.

**nedwalk** · 16-10-2009, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by larvidchr

especially at my age

yea right MR SANDBAG

**kingwilly** · 16-10-2009, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jarvis

Originally Posted by Shitdigit

Everyone can display temper in stressful situations,

This Nigerian was shoving in the que on the Laos boarder once, trying to get his passport stamped before anyone else. No fukin way was he jumping in before me. The cnut was getting rowdy and wanting to fight two older yank blokes who pulled him up for jumping in. Anyway, as I was getting my stamp I informed the immi officer that the said Nigerian was smoking weed - didn't see him on the shuttle bus for Nong Khai after that

Oi I thought you had a proper job when you were in Thailadn? So why you doing those border runs?

**kingwilly** · 16-10-2009, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

I barged some farang c*nt in a club in Thong Lor tonight. It was crowded and I wanted to get past - He wouldn't move out the way. I dfon't normally care but he knew I was there and just wouldn't move for me.

I was willing to kick his c*nt in in front of all the Thais there.

Yeah right, tell us again how you got smacked up by 3 paratroopers again, or was it 33?

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