Thread: Please jeffects, teach us history!

Aww, come on you lot. Let's let the man/boy/Galt have a chance...you've destroyed this thread already.

I was hoping for the wee snap to enlighten us all here, do your best to encourage him back here to the right thread!

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Chuck Norris wasn't even a twinkle in his daddies eye whilst Mr Wayne was battling the japs single handedly at Pearl Harbour.

dont you say bad things about chuck!

besides...

Chuck Norris was never born. He existed before time

Thanks Filch and MM for the Galt info. Now I know why I don't know and don't care.

Okay Kids, Check your bias at the door and have a seat. If you have the courage to ask real questions I will make it a point to answer anything you want. The stupid insults and childish "cnut" and "American twat" is hardly worth anyones time. Honest and open discussion is fine with me.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Tell us how you kicked those gooks asses in Vietnam jeffe? tell us how you sorted out those nasty evil koreans jeffe?
Tell us how you won the war on terror after saudi foked your world trade center jeffe?

I believe these were all valid questions that you have yet to answer. Awaiting your reply.

Okay, Vietnam. After WWII the French were in control Of Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh was in the North and basically put out for the highest bid in terms of support, He got it from the Chinese, How multi national forces had just fought in Korea. Thanks to Macarthur and later Ridgway we stopped them at the 39th parallel. As it remains today. So in the Wests effort to stem Communism during the Cold War, The West took the side of South Vietnam. Including many Countries, Primarily the U.S. and Australia. We tried a war of non-aggression which was a huge mistake. We tried the same stalemate strategy that worked in Korea. Unfortunately for Mcnamara and Westmoreland, They didn't notice that Vietnam wasn't a peninsula like Korea and the Viet Cong and NVA simply moved freely through Cambodia and Laos. The French bailed (There's a shocker) and eventually the idiot liberals started whining here because they suddenly realized that war is not "Fun". The Democrats here cut of funding the war and gave President Ford one month to pull out all the troops in one month. Thus the fall of Saigon and the eventual "killing fields" Which cost over a million civilian lives. We shouldn't have quit, but that's hindsight for all the peace mongers who are directly responsible for those deaths. Don't go to war if you don't mean business and win or die.

In case you haven't noticed we and the dozens of Countries in the fight with us ARE winning the war on terror. We can talk about that later if you're interested.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Okay, Vietnam. After WWII the French were in control Of Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh was in the North and basically put out for the highest bid in terms of support, He got it from the Chinese, How multi national forces had just fought in Korea. Thanks to Macarthur and later Ridgway we stopped them at the 39th parallel. As it remains today. So in the Wests effort to stem Communism during the Cold War, The West took the side of South Vietnam. Including many Countries, Primarily the U.S. and Australia. We tried a war of non-aggression which was a huge mistake. We tried the same stalemate strategy that worked in Korea. Unfortunately for Mcnamara and Westmoreland, They didn't notice that Vietnam wasn't a peninsula like Korea and the Viet Cong and NVA simply moved freely through Cambodia and Laos. The French bailed (There's a shocker) and eventually the idiot liberals started whining here because they suddenly realized that war is not "Fun". The Democrats here cut of funding the war and gave President Ford one month to pull out all the troops in one month. Thus the fall of Saigon and the eventual "killing fields" Which cost over a million civilian lives. We shouldn't have quit, but that's hindsight for all the peace mongers who are directly responsible for those deaths. Don't go to war if you don't mean business and win or die.

This is typical of the historic perspective you'll find in the States. Troubling, yes?

So what is inaccurate? It's easy to say, but you're pretty thin on facts or rebuttals. Or you don't know and are embarrassed to admit it.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

We shouldn't have quit

I rather think you were beaten out as you knew nothing of the territory you were entering. Much like Iraq, Afghanistan etc...

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Don't go to war if you don't mean business and win or die.

Hmm, win or die? You were beaten, so you did neither.

You are a proud American who supports America's decision on the battles it chooses, but you seem to disagree with the decisions made by the powers that govern you and your armies. Seems a little odd

Do you vote? Who did you vote for in the last 2 elections?

I thought it ended under Nixon, not Ford ? mostly after the "Pentagon files" were released to the public ? that was of course when the US was already losing the war

notice the similarities with the current Iraq mess

Nixon had just resigned. We weren't losing, we never gave up a mile of terrain until the withdrawal. Which as I said was a huge mistake. Have you noticed Iraq is a success. Or do you just want to believe it's not?

I always thought it was the 38th parallel.

So this thread is helping me learn.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Iraq is a success

Oh really, that's refreshing to hear. I'll be glad when it's all done and dusted and the world is at peace again.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

In case you haven't noticed we and the dozens of Countries in the fight with us ARE winning the war on terror.

Really? How so?

Originally Posted by Jeffects

So in the Wests effort to stem Communism during the Cold War, The West took the side of South Vietnam.

Not all of the West.

So, why were you meddling in the affairs of a foreign country that was no threat to American national security?

I always vote. Marmite, Iraq was no threat? They lost the war, signed an unconditional surrender and constantly violated it for 12 years. Do you think the World is a better place without Saddam and his two crazy sons. President Bush said we will go after terroists and nations that harbor them, Certainly you know Saddam paid $20,000 to the families of palistinian suicide bombers to kill Jews and used Chemical gas to kill 10,000 Kurds.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Have you noticed Iraq is a success

oh yeah, tell us how ? last time I check, you were losing and pulling out, even your retard hero GW Bush says so,

Originally Posted by Jeffects

we never gave up a mile of terrain until the withdrawal.

You were defeated, service men were racing to choppers to escape the battles, they were being completely oWneD.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

President Bush said we will go after terroists and nations that harbor them, Certainly you know Saddam paid $20,000 to the families of palistinian suicide bombers to kill Jews

We told the South Vietnamese that if they held their ground we would support them. It was not a war of aggression because we sought none of the north. We broke our word to the south and millions died. Big mistake.

Butterfly, You are just ignorant. I won't waste my breath with someone so uninformed.

Originally Posted by Jeffects

Iraq was no threat

Correct. None at all.

I appreciate the comments Attila.