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    I think food donations are good, too. I don't know what NR's transport situation is like, but it never hurts to have an Adonis deliver bulk items. hehehe
    Combining the funds per country is a great idea. If anyone else from Canada is up for it, let me know and I'll either send to you or you can send to me. Even if there's only two of us, it gives NR an extra C$22.

    For outriders, pm me for her Western Union address. She can pick up from any bank with WU.

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    Great, CO. In the manner of economics, as noted in the NR thread, perhaps best to pool the UK funds and send in one lump sum to save transfer costs. Anyone else in Canada? I'll wait til Monday to hear from you.

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    Count me in too.

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    I have to look a bit into this, but I might can make dog-food with the feed-mill I have, we make floating pellets for the fish, so the raw-material has been cooked above 92C. My own dogs eat it and its a hell of a lot cheaper than in the shops.
    We need to hear from NR.
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    W.C.

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    A very noble and well intentioned thread. However this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange View Post
    Jews.

    At least we know who the big-hearted members are.

    Some are conspicuous by their absence.
    and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange
    I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them aren't though & can expect to find themselves the guest star in a 'who's Td's tightest jew' type thread, very soon.
    are completely out of order, CO.

    If people are ready, willing and able to help then they will - declaring it publically on this thread, anonymously, or otherwise the choice is theirs. And whatever they choose is no less valid.

    Anyways, personally speaking, I'd be keen to help. But there seems to be some confusion, I'd like to hear from NR herself (has anyone spoken to her recently or know what the story is?). May be the case that targetted aid/help/input would be better.

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    For once, I totally agree with Ant

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    Yikola! I would imagine that even if NR has been able to log on, she's probably beside herself in tears wondering why so many people are being so kind to her when you never even met her outside of cyberspace. Give her a day or two to collect herself.
    I also am really chuffed by all the support you tough-guy wanklettes are providing her in words and pledges. A*holes outside, teddybears inside.

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    i,m in aussie, any info as to how ican throw in,and i,m there, its the least that any of those who have fell throught these doors should do,all that i,ve read seems to tell me that NR is an upright girl who right now needs some love!..so please pm me with how i can send the sugar

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    I think anyone who donates should pm NR and let her know so she can keep track. She always likes to get back to people to thank them. Also, then you are assured she received your largesse.

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    Maybe someone in Thailand could give her a ring to see that she's OK?

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    I'm OK, Jettie. Such a lot has been happening. Wednesday was my friend's cremation & then a bunch of us went & got wasted (littl'un stayed the night at a friends, don't worry!!) Yesterday, I was really upset & had a phone call from someone whom I admire in the dog world, basically reading me the riot act and being quite insulting to me.
    Basically, the dog situation is this:

    As of last week we were going to close. That website report, a newsletter to our supporters (which Jettie got) and a report on our local forum is all the info that I have put out about it. In my mind it was a done deal.

    A couple of big international orgs got hold of the story & ran with it & suddenly, it's become global. Appeals all over the world for us. At the same time, I still am not sure I want to carry on with the center. It's been very difficult, particularly in the last year. I never have free time & my little boy isn't getting the attention he needs from Mummy either. So, a volunteer said he'd take over but he couldn't afford to fund himself, and would need sponsorship. He put out feelers. So, now I'm being accused of sending mixed messages (& worse).

    We've agreed that we'll keep open until the New Year & reassess then. Until then, I will run it. Hopefully, by that time we'll have a clearer idea of long term money. Maybe the volunteer & I can run it together, giving me a bit of time for myself & my littl'un. I don't know if that makes things any clearer for anyone. Sometimes, it seems as clear as mud to me, myself.


    On a personal note, thanks CO & everyone. I am truly touched by this. It's really nice of you all. I haven't read the other thread yet (saw my name & had to look at this, first ). As for anyone that doesn't want to donate - I fully understand. I'm just so grateful that I have such support & such friends in a place I've only been visiting for a short while.

    Big hugs to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I'm keeping my money firmly in my pocket, despite the fact I'm loaded



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    ^ Yup, cant argue with that, what a shame we write 2007 and not 1940...

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    ^&^^
    You both need to take a good long hard look at yourselves.

    Try not to ruin the thread with your racist shite, eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    It's the end. HHDRC to close.
    It is with huge regret that I have to announce that Hua Hin Dog Rescue Center will be closing, probably in the next week.
    The problem is mainly financial, but involves many different aspects like lack of volunteers/help, systematic bullying by the tessadban, nowhere to move to, constant (& costly) illnesses in the dogs over the last few months, and other things.
    We have been at this stage (no finances) before, and have always managed to pull through. Maureen & I used to fund the center ourselves when donations weren’t forthcoming, but now, we cannot. Maureen now works in UK & sends her wages to me here, to support myself & Du’s little boy, whom I’ve cared for since Du’s death (he’s lived with me, however, for 4 years). I cannot adopt him or take him out of Thailand, so Mum (Maureen) sends money so we can live together, here. She works incredibly hard, but last month, I spent half of the money she sent me on the dogs. Neither she, nor I can afford for me to keep doing that. We have also put out appeals, the last one in the Bangkok Post in May.We received a lot of donations from that (as we have from other fundraising efforts), but due to day-to-day costs, outbreaks of distemper & blood parasites (which required costly drugs & diets to treat), our eviction & relocation & more & more dogs coming in, we have arrived at this stage once again. The only thing that could save us is a reliable source of monthly income, guaranteed every month. Even then, we would struggle, as we still have to move in a few months, but it would help.
    Lack of manpower is a big problem. We only have one paid worker, and there have been some vicious fights, recently, when he has been too slow (in the dogs’ minds) to distribute the food, or when he hasn’t maintained the pens’ structures properly & dogs have got into each others’ pens. Apart from being very traumatic & painful for the dogs, these are costly for us. One dog, Nam, is in the vets now with countless stitches after literally having half her face ripped off in a fight. She has been there for over a week & I have no idea when she’ll be well enough to leave, or how much it will cost.
    The Tessadban have continually undermined us. They recently dumped 30 pups on us (and more since). Some of the pups had distemper & it spread like wildfire between them. I didn’t have the money to treat them with Augmentin & raw diet (as I did with the earlier outbreak at my house), so they’ve had to have cephalexin, which isn’t nearly as good. Only 8 remain alive, and I am unsure if any will survive. Derek & I have worked really hard trying to get them through it, giving meds & fluids, trying to isolate them, cleaning eyes & noses, trying to tempt them to eat; but nearly every day, there’s another little body to bury. It’s heartbreaking & demoralising. When I asked the tessadban for medicine and IV fluids to treat their pups, they denied that they had given the pups to us and refused help. They have given us no food, no money, no medicine to help these pups. That is just one instance. There are too many to recount, including physical assault on Kumar, our worker.
    The plan is to release the healthy adult dogs, who are neutered and vaccinated, back where they originally came from (& maybe temples). Verity will take 3 dogs down to the South with her. I will keep about 15 of the worst dogs (including the paraplegics, blind dogs, behavioural problems) as my personal pets. I will also keep the healthy pups until they are old enough to fend for themselves (or if I can rehome them, I’d far rather do that).
    We are all heartbroken, we just can’t believe it’s come to this. Without a consistent monthly income, though, none of us can come up with a better option.
    HHDRC would like to thank everyone who’s helped us from the bottom of our hearts. These include individuals who’ve sponsored or donated, those who have adopted our dogs & given them wonderful homes, the Observer magazine and the Bangkok Post for giving us such nice coverage, Omer for keeping up & paying for the website, the Hilton for giving us leftover food, Canadian Voice for Animals & their supporters, SCAD, DogChance, WSPA, Nienke from Lucky Dogs - if you’ve ever helped us, thank you, so much. It’s only because of you people that we’ve continued so long.
    My last, personal, thank-you is to Christine & Jean-Claude for starting HHDRC, to Alain for his help in the early days, to all of our volunteers, long & short term, and most especially to Mum (Maureen), Verity, Josette, Derek, Kumar & Koi. And most of all, thank you to the dogs, who have repaid our efforts a thousandfold with their love, loyalty & trust. I’m so sorry, babies, that it’s come to this.
    Fuck man it shouldn't shut down. I am in and would volunteer everyday in the eves, if I were in Hua Hin. Anyway I'ma plan to take some time out, on weekends, and drop by the centre to help in daily stuff (gotta expalin it to the missus though).

    I might bring John, Hong Junior, Nuai, Chuchai 1, Chuchai 2, and Mather with me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    You both need to take a good long hard look at yourselves
    Come on, AR, it was a joke. Where's your sense of humour?

    Try not to ruin the thread with your racist shite
    There is a word for what you are trying to do by saying that but it escapes me. How is it ruining the thread? You know for a fact I am not racist. Banter is banter, whichever board it is on.

    I realise what I said about hounding people who don't want to give was sort of out of order, but you know me, it was said with the best intentions.

    Stop moaning & get your hand in your pocket.




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    OK - Seeing as there are a couple of people on here who can't read properly, take it out on me.

    I will not be donating money to NR for a number of reasons.

    1. I never give to charity.

    2. I don't believe this Soi Dog Centre is a worthy cause.

    3. If you get burgled and you're not insured, then it's tough luck. I had the same happen to me last Christmas and I had to sort myself out. So I did. I still haven't got insurance though.

    4. NR seems to be a tough lass, and has also indicated that she needs a serious re-think about her situation, and has already started to do so. I sincerely hope that she is successful in whatever course she decides to take.

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    I refuse to donate to Soi dogs. Been there and done that. Been here a year or two.

    Feed a dog and starve a child...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly View Post
    I refuse to donate to Soi dogs. Been there and done that. Been here a year or two
    You, as well as Mtd, are within your rights to take this stance & nobody is going to slate you for it. I don't give to charity myself, as the money usually ends up on a plush new carpet for their head office in some expensive office in the best part of town.

    Feed a dog and starve a child...
    That makes no sense, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange View Post
    Feed a dog and starve a child...
    That makes no sense, though.
    Particularly if you feed a dog to a child.



    Sorry, little bit of a Stroller moment there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange View Post
    Feed a dog and starve a child...
    That makes no sense, though.
    Have your ever lived outside of the tourist areas? Sorry to be so negative, dude. But I have live in Thailand for over 10 years.

    I know just a little bit, but not enough. Perhaps CO you know more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly View Post
    Have your ever lived outside of the tourist areas?
    No.

    Sorry to be so negative
    Nothing to say sorry for, Hilly.

    I know just a little bit, but not enough. Perhaps CO you know more
    I don't follow you? I guess you mean you have seen as many hungry kids as Soi dogs, or something.

    I never looked at it like that.

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    Thai charity is not like charity us 'falangs' may think.

    And yes, the damn dogs can starve to death, I don't care.. However, I will support feeding the poor Thai children.

    BTW, I am involved in a few established community projects...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hillbilly
    I refuse to donate to Soi dogs. Been there and done that. Been here a year or two.
    I do agree with that, the reason that I will support NR is to get the dogs of the streets, to try and control the increasing amount. Finding a home for each dog is wishfull thinking, and in some cases it might be better to put the dogs down.
    Thais have a different view or dogs than we have, but regardless how much we dislike there way, then we can't change it, we can only try and limit it like NR does, and I'm willing to support that.

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