Thread: Colonialism.... a comparison

Originally Posted by Norton

Back to your porch

...note from porch: British colonialism in HK had little influence before or after the warlord period...

Originally Posted by mark45y

A couple of little colonies was all it took to keep the Japanese on the side of the Allies.

...which of these little colonies would have done the trick: Manchuria? Malaya? Sumatra? Australia?...

Originally Posted by Looper

Mods, Norton has been kidnapped by TeakDOOR's unchallenged prize muppet Jeff and is being conditioned against his will in a basement in Oregon!

Please contact the emergency services immediately!!

A vicious rumor

Originally Posted by mark45y

Had Chiang Kai shek the support of the Japanese he would have defeated Mao.

Why would the japs support the KMT?

Originally Posted by tomcat

...note from porch: British colonialism in HK had little influence before or after the warlord period...

Opium war, downfall of Qing dynasty, warlords followed. Good ole Brit gunboat diplomacy forced China to cede HK to the Brits.

All wonderful benefits of Brit colonization.

Originally Posted by Looper

^We should not be bashful about recognising the most important intellectual events in the evolution of human civilisation and the Enlightenment was perhaps the most important of them all.

And, yes, as embarrassing as it is to admit, it happened in Western Europe. England was the epicentre.

The age when men first recognised and fully capitalised on the idea that moral progress and understanding the natural laws of our environment and turning them to our advantage could be achieved by the application of human reason and rational discourse instead of by relying on divine revelations is profound in ways it it is difficult to fully comprehend today.

Some earlier civilisations made attempts in this direction which lost momentum and foundered but it was Western Europe that lit the touch paper on the explosion of scientific and moral progress that would radically transform the lives of all humans everywhere on the planet within a few centuries.

Another deeply conditioned and indoctrinated graduate of the "Max Weber School of Extreme and Backward Eurocentric Positions and Historical Perspectives".
Quite pathetic.

The term: Everything You Know Is Wrong ​will apply easily here.

Originally Posted by HuangLao

Another deeply conditioned and indoctrinated graduate of the "Max Weber School of Extreme and Backward Eurocentric Positions and Historical Perspectives".
Quite pathetic.
The term: Everything You Know Is Wrong ​will apply easily here.

Originally Posted by mark45y

I think you have conveniently forgotten about India, Pakistan, Egypt, Bahamas, Jamaica, the continent of Africa and all those places where starvation, disease, slavery and any other problems one cares to imagine are rampant. The majority of ex British colonies are what Trump referred to as S hole countries.

Even Liberia that was not colonised but a free country that had Firestone invest and run the biggest rubber plantation in the world. Watched a docu on YouTube about this Firestone investment , typical African story.
Just like " Liptons " tea plantation in Tzaneen , in production of tea since 60's is given to indigenous Africans to run and manage. The bush took over as it does.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...which of these little colonies would have done the trick: Manchuria? Malaya? Sumatra? Australia?...

The South Pacific Mandate was a League of Nations mandate given to the Empire of Japan by the League of Nations following World War I. The South Pacific Mandate consisted of islands in the north Pacific Ocean that had been part of German New Guinea within the German colonial empire until they were occupied by Japan during World War I. Japan governed the islands under the mandate as part of the Japanese colonial empire until World War II and Manchuria which Japan conquered by 1932.

Given the alternative of WWII in the Pacific and the amount of money the Allies and spent and lives lost and the cold war outcome of the Korean war and Vietnam war and Communist China what's the big deal of giving them Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria and a few islands? If someone asked you which would you rather do in hindsight what would you pick? Japan as a partner and fellow colonial power or the horror that was Communist China and the war in the Pacific?

The Yellow Peril plays a romantic role within the Western historic imagination....

Originally Posted by HuangLao

The Yellow Peril plays a romantic role within the Western historic imagination....

Scarey buggers don't ya know.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...you've obviously never heard Quebeckese...

Au contraire TC - when I worked in Vancouver half a lifetime ago (in a gay restaurant no less) my boss was a Quebecois.

Quite the most tortured version of French I have ever heard.

And the new colonial power, coming to a place near you soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/m...ial-power.html

Originally Posted by Chico

And the new colonial power, coming to a place near you soon.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/m...ial-power.html

Nothing new.
They've been plying their colonial wares for centuries in an about manner that usually isn't recognized as such.

Originally Posted by Looper

when I worked in Vancouver half a lifetime ago (in a gay restaurant no less)

Now there's an idea for another thread.

^The kitchen staff (I was a cook) and the waitresses were all straight as a plumb-line - except for the dishwasher who was a retired drag queen.

It was the clientele and the waiters who were paid-up arse-tickling 9-bob-notes.

Originally Posted by Looper

^The kitchen staff (I was a cook) and the waitresses were all straight as a plumb-line

and you needed high-heels in order to reach up to the stove, that's how you became a tranny.

^That was years before I graduated to high heels, but I did wear a selection of brightly coloured paisley patterned head-scarfs (to keep stray hairs from getting on the steaks and fajitas)

Originally Posted by Looper

but I did wear a selection of brightly coloured paisley patterned head-scarfs

...very 70s...

Originally Posted by cyrille

An exception to this would be Australia, which was of course a penal colony and chosen simply because of its isolation and distance from the UK.

OT. But maybe one should remember that Britain only started sending convicts to Aus. after the Revolutionary War. Before that they got sent to the colonies.

Japan HAD Taiwan untill the KMT fled there.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

Why would the japs support the KMT?

Because they would have been on the same side and against Germany in WWII. Both China and Japan had declared war against Germany in WWI it was only the racism of the folks down under that changed the dynamic of Japanese love of things British.

^The KMT sided with the Communists to fight the Japanese. The KMT returned to fighting the Communists after Japan left in 45. No chance of any Chinese anywhere teaming up with the Japanese armed forces anyway.

Aussie influence had little if anything to dp with Sino Japanese relatipns, or ROC /PRC relations

Originally Posted by Cujo

Japan HAD Taiwan untill the KMT fled there.

I believe Japan lost Taiwan in 1945. Chinese arrived in 1946. On October 25, 1945—known as Retrocession Day in Taiwan— Japan was forced to cede all overseas possessions. Taiwan, as a spoil of war, was handed over to the Republic of China.

Originally Posted by uncle junior

^The KMT sided with the Communists to fight the Japanese. The KMT returned to fighting the Communists after Japan left in 45. No chance of any Chinese anywhere teaming up with the Japanese armed forces anyway.

The CCP didn't fight Japan. That is pretty much the same kind of revisionist history that says Thailand was not a willing ally of Japan during WWII. China and Japan were both on the same side during WWI against the Germans.