Thread: British pub landlord faces jail for writing 'death to Allah' on Qatar Airways seat

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Why isn't it analogous? Vandalsim is vandalism.
Or are you suggesting that one is a commercial airline armrest and the other has the potential to outrage millions of religious adherents?

Difficult to compare directly.

Defacing religious iconography would normally be perceived as more offensive than writing graffiti on an armrest.

However the drunk air passenger was acting with malice whereas the chink was probably just being a brainless dick.

Originally Posted by lob

neverna i have to say u are correct,,, but,,BUT the uk gov like the rest of the civilized world, in trying to be pc, end up bowing to islam . i understand both points of view, and where u are both coming from are both correct.

The law in the UK covers all religions. Had the victim(s) been another religion, the same laws would apply. See the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, sections 28 to 32.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

So, bowing to the Jewish world is just as despicable? "Antisemitism" is one of the biggest hate crimes around.

I wonder what the position of some posters here is regarding spray-painting a Swastika on a Synagogue, should the culprit only be charged with the cost of a bottle of paint remover?

^It's a hate crime: the offender's name and deed should be published and he/she should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law...the equivalent, I imagine, of throwing a pig's head into a mosque or having D. Trump lecture children on ethics...

The Quran is full of hate speech, it hates unbelievers, gays, women and Jews of course. The haddith of Bukhari, the full version not edited one, reveals Mohamad as a dirty bastard who shit and pissed in the street, who did not always wash before praying and who got his child bride to wash the sperm off his clothes as he went round his 11 wives in a day to fuck them all, having nothing better to do as a 'prophet' of God!

Originally Posted by Thai3

The Quran is full of hate speech

wait til you read the Old Testament...

Not that old chestnut again, the old testament is irrelevant and does not have 109 verses advocating violence and if it did nobody would be acting on them. Muslims take the filth in the Quran seriously and especially the life of the prophet who said- 'I have been mad victorious by terror' not by turning the other cheek, or loving thy neighbor or by rendering unto ceasar that which was ceasars, but by terror, killing.

Originally Posted by Thai3

the old testament is irrelevant

so is the Qur'an: get over it...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

this ideology of "hate crime" and diversity daleks is the epitome of a concealed religion

Good post by the Nemo!

Originally Posted by tomcat

of course there is...

TC you are overusing ellipsis. It is supposed to convey something unsaid, as if the reader should ponder the words. But if you overuse it or use it where it plainly does not work, as above, you wear it out.

You will end up like jeff if you are not careful...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

There's no such thing as a "hate crime", this is evil Orwellian shit designed to social engineer the world to fit a vile left-wing fascist agenda, to make people afraid to say, think, or feel, what they want, when they want, how they want, and where they want... "thought crime" is next. Crush their identity; crush their self-expression. Disgusting.

That bizarre bit of blind ranting revisionism would actually be comical if not for the sobering fact that people die because of hate crimes.

^Agree it is not actually true that people are, or should be, free to say whatever they like.

The justifiable sensibilities of other people should be part of the calculus of free speech.

But judging what sensibility is justifiable and what is snowflake-esque is the difficult part.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

That bizarre bit of blind ranting revisionism would actually be comical if not for the sobering fact that people die because of hate crimes.

sure, like in the case of a gay kid being dragged to his death behind a pickup truck.

Though, this guy should have been fined for damaging the arm rest, IMO, and not for insulting allah or headscarves or offending the Muslim passenger with what he wrote on the note.

what would he have been charged with if he had written "go to hell" because he wasn't happy about the service and the Muslim passenger spaying perfume near his face?

Could he be charged with "passive aggressive behavior towards a fellow passenger on a plane"?

Heck, if passive aggressive insults are illegal, then ant, Cyrille and bsnub could be charged with a crime for what they post on td every day.

Just need to find a "hate crime" angle.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Though, this guy should have been fined for damaging the arm rest, IMO, and not for insulting allah or headscarves or offending the Muslim passenger with what he wrote on the note.

What did he write on the note? Do you actually know? Please share it with us.

Originally Posted by Neverna

What did he write on the note? Do you actually know? Please share it with us.

from the op:

Joseph Breslin, 36, also scrawled an Islamophobic message on a napkin, attacking Muslims wearing headscarves, and dropped it between two passengers as the plane landed in Heathrow.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

from the op:

Joseph Breslin, 36, also scrawled an Islamophobic message on a napkin, attacking Muslims wearing headscarves, and dropped it between two passengers as the plane landed in Heathrow.

Yes, but what did it actually say? What words? You don't know, do you?

It's still just passive aggressive aggressive behavior whether he wrote "go to hell" "fuck off" or "fuck off with wearing headscarves in the U.K."

That's not what 'passive aggressive' means.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

That's not what 'passive aggressive' means.

As in dropping a note on the floor.

Nope, he dropped it between two passengers and clearly intended for one or both of them to read it.

The act wasn't passive-aggressive and neither was whatever he wrote because it was clearly outright abuse.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Nope, he dropped it between two passengers and clearly intended for one or both of them to read it.

The act wasn't passive-aggressive and neither was whatever he wrote because it was clearly outright abuse.

it was likely tame compared to the insults you, bsnub and cyrille write everyday.

Is what you guys write not "outright abuse" just because your targets and insults aren't targeting muslims?

so, ant let's say you're on a plane next to some Christian trump supporters and after listening to them praise trump for appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court to support Christian causes

as the plane lands, you drop a note on the ground for them: Fuck Jesus, fuck you Christian trump supporters and the rest of you kkk cunts".

the plane lands and ant is arrested and thinks to himself: fair enough, I deserve to be in handcuffs for what I wrote.

Originally Posted by Looper

Good post by the Nemo!

Originally Posted by Looper

Agree it is not actually true that people are, or should be, free to say whatever they like.
The justifiable sensibilities of other people should be part of the calculus of free speech

...so, a little cognitive dissonance then...

Originally Posted by Looper

TC you are overusing ellipsis

...yuh think?...

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

it was likely tame compared to the insults you, bsnub and cyrille write everyday.

Is what you guys write not "outright abuse" just because your targets and insults aren't targeting muslims?

Completely, utterly, pointlessly irrelevant.

The discussion was what constitutes 'passive-aggressive', specifically your misuse of it.

You've not so much moved the posts as you have uprooted them and shipped them to a foreign country.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

so, ant let's say you're on a plane next to some Christian trump supporters and after listening to them praise trump for appointing conservatives to the Supreme Court to support Christian causes

as the plane lands, you drop a note on the ground for them: Fuck Jesus, fuck you Christian trump supporters and the rest of you kkk cunts".

the plane lands and ant is arrested and thinks to himself: fair enough, I deserve to be in handcuffs.

No, let's not say that.

Because that's fucking dumb and I'd never do that.