Thread: The "True" Value of Citizenship

Thai passport ranks at 111 out of 191 countries...the US at 35...download the pdf file to see the entire list and methodology: Nomad Passport Index 2017 | Nomad Capitalist

You're supposed to save us a click and paste the relevant stuff in the thread.

Too much work otherwise

Originally Posted by Slick

You're supposed to save us a click and paste the relevant stuff in the thread.

Too much work otherwise

That's half fun - doing yourself.
Less dependent on others' promoted subjective bias.

Originally Posted by Slick

You're supposed to save us a click and paste the relevant stuff in the thread.

...it's on my hard drive: when I can upload directly to TD, that is exactly what I'll do...in the meantime, I guess you'll have to remain ignorant...

Originally Posted by Slick

You're supposed to save us a click and paste the relevant stuff in the thread.

Too much work otherwise

Get used to it from this guy. He doesn't even know how to post a picture.


That being said, I just have a laugh at those Thai Visa losers who brag about getting Thai citizenship. What a massive waste of time for a privilege to own land

#3 - Spain.
Surprising.....or perhaps not.

^ stayed in Spain for about 18 months
It was a fantastic place to be, I may retire there one day

I'm happy with the passport I have.

^I'm sure Slick and YD thank you, Neverna...

Was this compendium compiled by a newly post adolescent onanist who graduated from the University of the Vapid with a PhD in Fuckwittery?

The Irish health service is shit, their security/police forces are a joke, the countryside is blighted by anarchic development laws, the quality of housing is appalling, access to social welfare is subject to arbitrary residency laws, the weather is shit, taxation is extortionate unless one is a corporate entity but I suppose to hold an Irish passport is a boon because the country is so insignificant it doesn't represent a problem to most others.

And it has more fucking Pikeys than Romania.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I suppose to hold an Irish passport is a boon because the country is so insignificant it doesn't represent a problem to most others

Well, yes The point of a passport is to make travel easier. Nobody in their right mind would want to live in Ireland but that's not what a passport is for, pretty much the opposite.

Originally Posted by tomcat

...it's on my hard drive: when I can upload directly to TD, that is exactly what I'll do...

*shudder*

Someone ought to let ChalkyDave know...

It seems a pretty useless list really. It fails to clarify that "best" = "number of countries you can visit visa free". A proper "best" list needs loads more parameters.

So much depends on what you intend to do with the passport... you could filter out loads of them based on whether they allow dual/multiple nationality and how well having that passport facilitates legal tax avoidance, never mind what the actual countries themselves are like to live in.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Someone ought to let ChalkyDave know...

It seems a pretty useless list really. It fails to clarify that "best" = "number of countries you can visit visa free". A proper "best" list needs loads more parameters.

So much depends on what you intend to do with the passport... you could filter out loads of them based on whether they allow dual/multiple nationality and how well having that passport facilitates legal tax avoidance, never mind what the actual countries themselves are like to live in.

Eh? It says quite clearly what they define "best" as

The Nomad Passport Index ranks 199 citizenships on five factors, more than any other passport index. It is designed to show the best citizenships in the world to hold on the basis of visa-free travel, international taxation, perception, dual citizenship, and personal freedom.

Can't see Pakistan or Saudi Arabia for some reason

Originally Posted by Thai3

Can't see Pakistan or Saudi Arabia for some reason

Hmmm, another genius who fails to understand just what

download the pdf file to see the entire list and methodology

actually means

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Someone ought to let ChalkyDave know...

It seems a pretty useless list really. It fails to clarify that "best" = "number of countries you can visit visa free". A proper "best" list needs loads more parameters.

So much depends on what you intend to do with the passport... you could filter out loads of them based on whether they allow dual/multiple nationality and how well having that passport facilitates legal tax avoidance, never mind what the actual countries themselves are like to live in.

Eh? It says quite clearly what they define "best" as

The Nomad Passport Index ranks 199 citizenships on five factors, more than any other passport index. It is designed to show the best citizenships in the world to hold on the basis of visa-free travel, international taxation, perception, dual citizenship, and personal freedom.

Alright, fair enough, although I am genuinely dyslexic, when I glanced at it, it looked like next to each country in the list it showed a number for the amount of countries you can visit visa-free with, which looked to correlate with the ranking. It didn't cite those five factors in any overt way.
However, even though I didn't read it properly, it's still a pretty useless list.

This (html) table looks a bit more useful:
Best Citizenships - Quick Comparison of Countries

This site seems a bit more credible at first glance:
https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php
correlates with this article:
The world's most powerful passports - Telegraph

I guess some of the oriental countries on this list would drop down on personal freedom; I'm a bit surprised to see Canada, NZ, and Oz so low down... apart from that, not too many surprises. Not sure how long Sweden will be good with all the trouble they're having with their insane immigration policy, though.

If the Thai passport ranks 111, then why do most Thais insist on having one when they have a passport from a western country?

Why would they ditch it? It's good to have more than one passport and it's great to have one from the country you come from. They can stay for as long as they like in Thailand on their Thai passport and they don't have to worry about visas, border runs, or anything like that. It also makes travelling to ASEAN countries easier.

The reason my missus said she needed both was because Thai immigration don't like Thais with foreign passports.
My reply was that they are probably jealous cause they haven't got one.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

If the Thai passport ranks 111, then why do most Thais insist on having one when they have a passport from a western country?

So they can get back into Thailand easily and without needing a visa. My son and my wife show their Thai passports on arrival in Thailand and their Western passports most other countries.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Why would they ditch it? It's good to have more than one passport and it's great to have one from the country you come from. They can stay for as long as they like in Thailand on their Thai passport and they don't have to worry about visas, border runs, or anything like that. It also makes travelling to ASEAN countries easier.

Yep..
More beneficial than meets the eye.

According to Thai law (and if you want to correct me, please post a link to support your rant) once they have a foreign citizenship, their Thai passport is invalid... unless under 18.
I know they all have one - my Mrs does, but they technically aren't allowed one.