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    Tequila!

    Tequila is a much-maligned spirit. Most of us think of it as something so nasty you need to do it in a shot with salt and lime so that you’ll taste it as little as possible, or take it mixed into an over-sweet margarita. All of that is changing.

    The modern cocktail scene has reignited our interest in Mexico’s most-famous booze, and more and more people are realising what tequila enthusiasts have known for years: There are some unbelievably good tequilas out there. So when Casa Noble—a tequila distillery with a hardcore following—invited us to its booze HQ to see how they make theirs, well, how could we refuse?



    Growing and Harvesting

    All tequila starts with the Weber Blue Agave plant, which, contrary to popular belief, is not a cactus. By law, in order to be called tequila, it must be at least 51-percent agave (just as a bourbon’s mash-bill must be at least 51-percent corn), but the good stuff is 100-percent pure agave. Those that aren’t 100-percent are categorised as mixtos, and they use other sugars for fermentation in an effort to have some smoothness while costing as little as possible to produce.

    The agave plants are grown in and near the town of Tequila in the Mexican state of Jalisco. In fact, tequila can only be produced in Jalisco in order for it to be called tequila. If it’s made anywhere else, it must be label “agave spirit” instead. The plants—that look a lot like large pineapples growing on the ground—grow for a minimum of seven years. Casa Noble is one of just three USDA certified organic growers… y’know, if that’s important to you. The plants are continually stressed and routinely have their flowing stalks (quixotes) cut off to prevent them from flowering and dying. In response to this stress the plants produce more sugars, thus making a sweeter plant.

    When they’re ripe, the tequila plants are harvested by a jimador (an agave farmer). The harvesting is still done almost exclusively by hand using a tool called a coa. It’s basically a long wooden staff with a round blade (also hand-sharpened) at the end. It is shockingly sharp and very effective.



    Using the coa, the jimadores cut away all of the leaves from the piña, the sweet heart of the plant, which really does look like a pineapple at this point. The piñas can grow to be 150 to 250 pounds, and each jimador may harvest as many as 150 to 200 plants a day. It’s some back-breaking work.



    Cooking and Juicing

    As soon as possible after harvesting (to ensure freshness), the piñas are put into stone ovens. Steam is piped in from the giant steam generators, and is the only heat that is used. Mescal, on the other hand, is exposed to direct flame, which accounts for its Scotchy smokiness. The agave is steam-cooked in these traditional ovens for 36 to 38 hours, which is basically the time required to convert the starchy carbohydrates into sweet sugars.



    I had the chance to taste the agave after it was cooked. It was incredibly sweet and juicy, but it also had an earthiness to it. There were these subtle flavours that you taste very concentrated in tequila, and you think, “Ah, that’s where it gets that.”



    After the piñas cool, they’re off to the juicer. Traditionally, this was accomplished by a donkey dragging a large stone over them. Oh, to be young. Today most distilleries use roller mills, which are extremely efficient at extracting almost all the juice. Casa Noble uses a screw mill instead, which presses the the piña with less pressure and is actually much less efficient. So why would they use it? Because it’s their opinion that when you press the hell out of the plant it breaks the fibres within it, which release undesirable flavours. That’s where a lot of the astringent, nail-polishy flavours in bad tequilas come from. Casa Noble ends up wasting much more plant material, but they’re a boutique operation—so, for them, it’s worth it.



    Once the juice is extracted and transferred to its vat, the solid plant matter is transported to the back of the building where it is allowed to slowly compost. The piles lie in long rows of varying age. You can really see the difference between them. The newer stuff looks like a grassy, sinewy mass, with lots of fibres still visible. The older stuff looks like plain old dirt with the odd fibre still in it. Once it’s decomposed enough it is distributed into the farm before new agave is planted.



    Fermenting and Distilling

    Once the juice (or joose… just kidding) is extracted, it is transferred over to large fermentation tanks. Casa Noble is one of just two distillers that uses natural yeast in their fermentation process, which is slower, but they believe it yields a better result. The mash is fermented for three to five days, depending on the weather. When it’s warmer, fermentation will go quicker. In the cooler months, it’ll take a little more time.



    Around the outer rim of every tank is a perforated blue hose. Water comes through the hose and drips down the outer walls of the tank to help facilitate cooling. Once the mash has fermented enough it’s transferred over to the stills.



    Casa Noble uses three stainless steel pot stills with copper plates on the inside (which impart some flavour into the resulting spirit). After the first time though the still you are left with ordinario. Trust us when we say that that stuff is harsh. Heads and tails are cut out, as they are with gin and any other distilled alcohol. Interestingly enough, after some experimenting with earlier batches, Casa Noble realised they were cutting out too many floral aromas in their heads and tails, and so they opened them up a little, just to get those back in.



    Virtually all tequila distilleries take the ordinario (first run) and distill it a second time. Casa Noble is one of the few that distills it a third time. Either way, what comes out is tequila blanco aka “silver” or “white,” though Casa Noble calls its “crystal,” for whatever reason. It tastes, essentially, like what you’re going to end up drinking if you buy a bottle of tequila blanco, except it’s stronger. It comes out of the still at 57-percent alcohol by volume. Enough water is then added to bring it down to 40-percent ABV for bottling.

    Aging and Varieties

    So, as we’ve already established, there are two base types of tequila: The cheaper mixtos, and 100-percent agave. Within those, though, there are five sub-categories that you need to know.



    Blanco
    a.k.a. “Silver”

    This is the un-aged stuff. It comes out of the still, water is added to bring it to 40-percent ABV, and then it’s bottled. The end. Of all the varieties out there its flavour most closely resembles the cooked agave plant. It typically has a little more edge to it than the other varieties. Generally speaking, if you’re making a margarita, this is the way to go. That’s not to say it isn’t good. It can be very good. It just has more prominent plant flavours, so it can still stand out some even when drowning in lime juice and sugar.

    Joven
    a.k.a. “Gold”

    Gold isn’t really the gold standard here. Joven is just blanco tequila with a little aged tequila (see below) added for flavour and colour. Some even use caramel flavouring and colour.



    Reposado
    a.k.a. “Rested”


    Now we’re getting into the aged stuff. Tequila that is aged in wooden barrels for two months up to one year is known as Reposado. Different distilleries use different types of barrels, with everything from used bourbon barrels to wine barrels being used. Casa Noble happens to use new Taransaud French White Oak barrels with a very light char (char #1), and it uses them in three different sizes: small 114 litre, medium 228 litre, and large 350 litre.

    Each size ages the tequila in a different way due to the differences in surface area, but, regardless of the size, the tequila all goes in and comes out on the same day, exactly 364 days later, the maximum limit for reposado. Barrels can only be opened by the CRT (the Regulatory Council of Tequila), so there can be no shenanigans. The reasons the different sized barrels are used is so they have three flavours to play with when they are blending. The distillers have a master sample they taste from, and then they blend the new barrels until it achieves exactly the flavour they’re looking for.

    Tasting the reposado, it’s much smoother than the blanco. The agave flavours are still in there, but everything has mellowed. There’s much, much less of an edge to it. There are also some of the sweet, woody characteristics brought in by the barrels. There are faint notes of caramel and vanilla, and the colour is a light gold. It would be wasted in a margarita, but it could definitely be nice in a high-end cocktail, and it’s certainly smooth enough to sip neat.



    Añejo
    a.k.a. “Aged” or “Vintage


    Añejo
    as the name implies, has been aged for a minimum of one year (año being Spanish for “year”) and up to three years. Age doesn’t benefit all spirits, but holy crap it does this one right. Casa Noble’s Añejo is aged for exactly two years. In that time it gets incredibly mellow and smooth. It has rich, sweet flavours and even stronger notes of vanilla. It’s absolutely delicious. I wouldn’t even put this one in a cocktail—just sip it neat. If you grew up drinking the cheap stuff, this will completely change your notion of what tequila can be. The first moment I had it I thought, “This is probably the best tequila I’ve ever had,” and it was, until…



    Something Special

    There’s one more category of tequila: Extra Añejo. To give you an idea of how fast tequila is changing, the Extra Añejo category was only just established in 2006. It essentially means “extra aged” or “ultra aged.” It sits for a minimum of three years in oak casks and there is no upper age limit. If done right, oh man…



    A few years ago Carlos Santana (yes, Mr. Oye Como Va himself) approached Casa Noble. He wanted in, and he ended up buying a portion of the company and joining the board. Whatever, right? Celebrity boozes are a dime a dozen. But hold on: this is no Ciroc. Carlos picked out a large 350 litre barrel of five year old Extra Añejo. It’s a super limited edition—only five hundred bottles bottles are being made, sold for $500/£305 each. I thought, “That’s insanely, stupidly expensive,” but then I got to taste it.

    Not only was it the best tequila I’ve ever tried by a huge margin, it may have been the best spirit I’ve ever tried, period. I’ve been lucky enough to try many old Scotches and small batch bourbons, and I love them deeply, but this was something else entirely. It was so impossibly smooth. It is a deep amber colour. It had all of the best flavours you get in the Añejo, but more of them and absolutely none of the harshness. And was that a note dark chocolate in there? What sorcery is this?

    This was easily the best tequila I’d ever had. But that only lasted a few minutes.



    Casa Noble’s co-owner Pepe Hermosillo then poured me a small glass of something even crazier. Taken from the same original batch as Santana’s, but aged for five years in one of the small 114 litre barrels, it was pure magic. Santana’s reserve was incredible, but this was a whole level above it. What’s smoother than smooth? I don’t know what to call it, but it’s that stuff. In fact, it was given to me at the 57-percent ABV cask strength and I though for sure that had to be a mistake. It barely tasted like it was 40! It was unquestionably the best spirit I’ve ever had in my life.

    Unfortunately—and you’re going to hate me for this—that one will never see the light of day. The barrel it comes from is so small that they won’t sell it or distribute it. “This is just for us and our friends,” Hermosillo told me. I almost wish I didn’t know about it, because I’ll probably never have it again. On second thought, screw that, I’ll just have my tongue bronzed.



    Final Thoughts

    Going to high school in California, tequila was the first thing I ever got drunk off of—my “mother’s milk” of liquor, if you will. Like most Americans, my friends and I had no concept of “quality tequila.” In fact, we rated tequila on the “Ass Scale,” the idea being that all tequila tasted like ass, it’s just a matter of how many esses you put on it. Arandas—a cheap rotgut we’d get other people to buy for us—was five S, or ASSSSS tequila. A few years in, the first time we got our hands on Patron, we were amazed. It was only ASS! Maybe even AS!

    If I could tell my 17-year-old self that something like Santana’s Reserve (or even the Casa Noble Añejo) existed, I don’t think he would have believed me. Old misconceptions die hard. Just find yourself a way to taste it, if you can, and see if your mind doesn’t change.



    Santana Single Barrel Reserve will be out in early 2014. $500/£305 a bottle is brutally expensive, but, to be fair, proceeds from its sale go to support the Milagro Foundation “for the purpose of helping underserved and vulnerable people by making grants to organisations in the areas of education, health, and the arts.” So you’ll be drinking for a good cause.

    Really though, just seduce some rich old guy at a bar and get him to buy you a glass. It’ll be worth it. In the meantime, their Blanco, Reposado, and Añejo are all fantastic and can be purchased now without you needing to sell any important organs on the black market.

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    Awful shit. Stops ones legs working.

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    had one tequila experience in a bar in qatar i don't want to repeat again.

    Tequila Facts For National Tequila Day

    there's even a national tequila day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Awful shit. Stops ones legs working.

    Makes me dance and sing better......also makes me funnier and stunningly handsome. And irresistible to women. Great stuff......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    And irresistible to women. Great stuff......
    When the wife drinks it I am irresistible to her. Even better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one
    When the wife drinks it I am irresistible to her. Even better.
    Great stuff innit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton
    And irresistible to women. Great stuff......
    When the wife drinks it I am irresistible to her. Even better.
    Magic potion!

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    That looks like a fine tour you had. We'll be making margaritas again once the weather warms up.


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    Interesting OP. Awful drink, for some reason, after a few hours drinking it I always vomit wildly, then start again, usually end up on the beach at 7am feeling very very bad...

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    There are 3 types of Tequila. Silver, Reposado and Anejo. Gold is not a type, that is a Jose Cuervo name and they are crap.

    For you guys that it made you sick and vomit you need to know which one to drink. I suspect you pounded Silvers and they are downright nasty junk. You most likely drank those with salt and a lime and you should have wondered then why they wanted to mask it. Like anything you get what you pay for. Just like cheap Whiskey, Scotch and Vodka's

    Reposada: These are an aged Tequila, has more flavor, smoother. Some shoot this with no salt and lime, others sip.

    Now if you step up to a good Anejo you would have probably enjoyed it. These are well aged, very dark in color, smell very well and taste incredibly smooth. Cazadores, Don Julio, Herradura to name a few that are mid range priced Anejo. If you want high dollar Anejo there are a few; Don Julio 1942, Patron Etc. These are never served with salt and a lime and are primarily sipped to enjoy, warm or over ice.

    I really enjoy Tequila. I only drink Anejo these days but I had my early days with the junk which is how I learned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Awful shit. Stops ones legs working.

    Makes me dance and sing better......also makes me funnier and stunningly handsome. And irresistible to women. Great stuff......
    Been there DK. I swear all of what you said is true.

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    It's definitely a different trip. Like meeting Mescalito in the Teachings of Don Juan. Not the same as other liquor highs, it can be an "out of body" experience...

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    Tequila - the only drink made better by disguising it with lime and a mouthful of salt.


    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    or take it mixed into an over-sweet margarita
    Who in hell makes sweet margaritas? They're sour, people! And only because of their sourness are they so yummy! The alcohol content may help, of course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by aging one
    When the wife drinks it I am irresistible to her. Even better.
    Great stuff innit.

    Written by a chap I went to school with in Rhodesia.

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    There are 3 types of Tequila. Silver, Reposado and Anejo. Gold is not a type, that is a Jose Cuervo name and they are crap.
    Gold is white with a few drops of molasses.

    I didn't read all the post but in case it wasn't mentioned there is a city outside of Guadalajara called, Tequila. It's mostly farm land where the agave grows. There are, who knows, 50-100 distilleries in the area. Then once a year at a convention center on the edge of Guadalajara there is a tequila festival. Haven't gone for years but last time there were over 100 brands represented, all free for the tasting. FMD, that's one of those occasions where it's okay to be a fall-down drunk in public. I can't remember what happened apart from being carried out a la águila (spread winged with two mates holding you up) and clothes that looked like they'd mopped the floor.

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    I went many years thinking that tequila was a horrible drink and then someone introduced me to the good stuff

    it is great - but I do not see it in the duty free

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2
    it made you sick and vomit

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    Tequila
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    Jose Cuervo
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    Gold
    That's the bastard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2
    it made you sick and vomit

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    Tequila
    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2
    Jose Cuervo
    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2
    Gold
    That's the bastard...
    Yep. I have known many a friend that got wicked sick on that gut rot stuff. I have never had it, I smelled it once and it stunk like some god awful musty mold smell. In my early tequila days I was a Mezcal Reposado drinker being I was close to the border. Always had to get the bottle with the worm in the bottom. Ate a few of those tequila saturated grubs, then thought I saw God right before I passed out.

    Step up my friend...Tequila can be your friend....

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    The key to tequila is to mix it with...........NOTHING!

    In college every saturday night a buddy and I would each purchase a 5th and consume it. I never had a hangover the next day and in fact felt good.

    However, one Christmas break from school on Christmas eve having finished shopping I stopped by the bar I was working in for a beer and the manager set a bottle of the stuff in front of me and said to help myself. I think I might have done half the bottle with beer chasers. That Christmas was lost in the worst hangover of my life and having had a few less dramatic experiences involving margaritas if and when I drink tequila it's only with salt and lime!

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    I was handed shots with the lime and salt shaker once, sitting down in a pub.

    Each shot i did a little vomit in the corner.

    And the legs did dance a bit better and suddenly i could sing. probably some sort of bon jovi crap.

    Great stuff.

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    When I lived in the Midwest in the once great USofA, I hooked up with a New York gal and we would split a bottle of "good" tequila. We invented very creative rituals to replace the conventional lime and salt. But the licking was the best part. Hard to forget that Upstate Gal. A ballet dancer with a tight little backside that everyone wanted to say "hello" to.

    Heh...Hello nice bum...

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    Pats.. you are soooo classy

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    I know, the tequila bit was in my youth. nowadays i pace myselfish.

    My friends actually keep tequila away from me. They know the circumstances. Pats has one or two or three and she goes a bit odd.

    I can sing the black velvet band very well. And her hair it hung over her shoulder etc,

    Going a bit odd, on tequila, is not just me. Most people do.

    I ate the worm,

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    Good OP, makes me want to try some. Where do you get the good stuff over here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by palexxxx
    Where do you get the good stuff over here?
    Hard to find a decent tequila in Bangers. Taco's and Salsa (end of Suk, Soi 18) has Suaza Gold. It's very good.

    I've heard the Tequila Bar Suk Soi 4 has a good selection.

    Drop by the Mexican Embassy. Bet they will know where it can be found.

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