1st time over a decade I have gone 24 hours without a cigarette

oh dear

another source says

CDC - Fungal Diseases - Aspergillosis

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Aspergillus is a common fungus that can be found in indoor and outdoor environments. Most people breathe in Aspergillus spores every day without being affected. Aspergillosis is a disease caused by this fungus and usually occurs in people with lung diseases or weakened immune systems.

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and another

Aspergillosis: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

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Although most people are often exposed to aspergillus, infections caused by the fungus rarely occur in people who have a normal immune system.

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and another

Aspergillosis and HIV

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Exposure to Aspergillus is universal, but aspergillosis is uncommon unless drugs, infection, or malignancy have altered the host immune defenses. The disease usually occurs in transplant recipients or in patients with hematologic malignancies, when phagocytic host defenses by granulocytes and macrophages are quantitatively or functionally suppressed.

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Bullshit. It's a common caver's infection and often occurs among hilltribe folk in Thailand's coffee growing areas.

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so many respected sources state the same but only you say different

sounds familiar

these people should know what they are talking about

Types of Aspergillosis for patients

and they say the same, with more information

I know all that, and say the same, so what's your point?

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I know all that, and say the same, so what's your point?

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the point is you said this to my post

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Bullshit. It's a common caver's infection and often occurs among hilltribe folk in Thailand's coffee growing areas.

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now you agree with me

that's good, always nice to have agreement

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Although most people are often exposed to aspergillus, infections caused by the fungus rarely occur in people who have a normal immune system

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Bullshit

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various links posted all saying essentially what I posted

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I know all that, and say the same

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You know that mouldy smell you get around and in old buildings you renovate AnalAndy?
Aspergillosum.

Got a slight cough, an asthmatic wheeze?

Of course you have, you live in Chiangmai.

Careful, aspergillosum will quickly infect such compromised lungs.

Not a pleasant smell, that mouldy aspergillosum that infests old buildings.

Drinking lobelia and sage tea with a little pennyroyal could help you.

You should be wearing chemical filtered masks though.

Will herbs fix your liver flukes, ENT ? And how about the resultant cholangiocarcinoma ? And resultant liverishness / irritability ?

Weird ? Your memory is conveniently short.

You admitted it here, ENT. https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post2111919

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Do you know of any research into the prevalence of the flukes in field crab eggs?

I love the food, poor man's caviar. :)

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And again in the same thread :

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I have stayed away from eating raw fish in Thailand, but I have eaten a lot of crab eggs, packed in small rice-field crab shells I buy at Sompet market in CM.

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As for the rice field crab eggs, another North Thai delicacy, the flukes infest these and lodge in the muscle of the crab. The eggs are protected in the ovaries by semi permeable membranes which apparently deters the passage of the fluke larvae from the muscle of the crabs to the crab eggs.
The eggs though, once expelled are collected and held by the female under her abdomen, and may be contaminated by the fluke eggs in the water, freely.

So I won't be eating that little delicacy any more. :)

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Rather more serious than the slight pain in a toe joint (my only health issue ! ) which I mentioned once, and which you have been harping on about ever since.

sounds like he could be a walking minefield

anyway, Lobelia gets rid of liver fluke and makes hay whilst the sun shines

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You know that mouldy smell you get around and in old buildings you renovate AnalAndy? Aspergillosum.

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yes, but no problem

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Got a slight cough, an asthmatic wheeze?

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nope, and my immune system is fine


AS you called bullshit on my post, and then admitted that you agreed with it, don't you think you should apologise for being so rude?

or are you one of those pathetic individuals who cannot bring themselves to apologise when proven wrong?

so you have managed to stop smoking after 50!! years of puffing the drug but cannot apologise when you are rude to someone, when you were wrong


makes me wonder why you bothered to stop

yes, now you have stopped you realise you should have done it 49 years ago, but why did you bother to stop after so long an addict

seems like you are the sort of person that can justify anything, and you did for 50!! years, why not one more?

^ (The idiot's talking to himself again)

So, now it's been 9 weeks since quitting smoking tobacco and all's well. :)

The trolls can't be too happy, poor chaps, they must be feeling sick!:rofl:

You're in total denial and lying about not having the Chiangmai cough AnalAndy.

That mix of lobelia, gotu kola, sage and mint is totally brilliant!! Keeps the lungs and circulatory system in good condition and absolutely NO desire for tobacco or any stimulants, although I enjoy a glass or two of wine or a couple of beers with my pals about twice or three times a week.

When I mentioned a secondary or co-addiction, alcohol was mine, so using lobelia has helped me lower my alcohol intake too. Marvellous, heading to become an occasional or social drinker, eh.

Just remember to take only a little at a time of the lobelia, but the other three are safe in larger doses.

The "quitter's flu" I mentioned is lessening a little, but I hear that it could last a few days.
Strange reaction to quitting, that one. Not coughing much, except to clear my lungs once or twice a day, and what comes out is clear, infection free with a few black specks about once or twice a day as what's left of the tar loosens up. No congestion at all.

I've not gained any further weight since the initial few pounds a few weeks ago.
Ain't got the munchies either.

What I have gained from all this is a greater sense of well being and of self, being able to trust my instincts and ability to use herbs.

How's the rest of you guys going with your quitting programmes? Well, I hope.
Some of you are into your eighth and ninth weeks by now of being tobacco free, eh. :)

Carry on guys, it's worth the effort.

Yes i smoked for 40 odd years, just quite 6 mths back. No help just cold turkey, craving,s come & go they dont last long. Its hard when having a beer or coffee, just dont think about it . I was in a que at shops and this guy infront of me fu_::>n reeked of tobaco, I thought this used to be me, you dont realise it when your in that aura of it .Some of my freinds have told me , they would avoid visiting me because my home smelled real strong of tobaco. Im not going to turn into one of those reformed smokers.. Was in a bookshop saw a paperback THE GOOD THING,S ABOUT SMOKING. & every page was blank { nufsaid }.

Ha ha!
Glad ya joined the thread mate.

You don't realise how much your room , clothes, car etc smells of tobacco when you smoke.
When I started cuting down last year I moved smoking out of the apartment onto the verandah and I could smell the difference even then.
After I quit just before Xmas last a friend asked me if I'd started again, it was the smell of tobacco on my jacket. I couldn't smell it then, but I can now when passing by smokers. Especially on their breath as they're talking. It ain't pleasant, is it?

So you still get cravings for a smoke even now after 6 months? Are they actuallly felt physically, strongly orare they just a passing thought?

For me, these days, all I get is a passing thought of smoking, not an urge or a craving as such, in any sense of the word.

I think it's will power and having thought it all through for a few months before quitting, as well as the lobelia and other herbs I use, of course, that have helped lessen my craving for tobacco.

Keep on at it mate, it's worth it. The added vitality I have since quitting has urged me on to finding an even better life!

One other thing I've noticed is that I don't need as much Vits B and C as when I smoked. :)

Welcome Ferratus to the club and congrats! (I am still hanging in there.)

Ent, I am still trying to find Lobelia in the USA because you have me damn curious what it's like. But all I can find is in tablet form...I want to try the actual leaf. I may have to grow the damn things myself.

Good on ya hanging in there Submaniac. :)

A good place to look for lobelia is in a Chinese herbalist shop.

They call it ban bian lian which is lobelia chinensis.
The herbalist there can advise you on its use and dosage, but do remember to keep the dosage small, and that it will magnify the effect of other drugs, alcohol and so on, so take it easy.
It's only an overdose in large quantities, so quite safely self administered.

Web site for Chinese mainland suppliers;
buy Lobelia Extract organic - high quality Manufacturers,Suppliers and Exporters on weiku.com

A stack of web sites for US suppliers:
Internaturales LLC

221 Meridian Ave., Ste. 504
Miami Beach, FL 33139
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t: (305)726-8420
e: [email protected]
w: www.internaturales.com

ActiveHerb Technology Inc.

11588 Sorrento Valley Road, Ste. 17
San Diego, CA 92121
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t: (888)805-HERB
e: [email protected]
w: www.activeherbwholesale.com

Advantage Botanicals Co. LLC

15 Railroad Ave.
Chester, NY 10918
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t: (800)925-4756
e: [email protected]
w: www.advantagebotanicals.com

Amazon Forest Inc.

102-106 Hillcrest Ave.
Ledgewood, NJ 07852
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t: (973)584-3900
e: [email protected]
w: www.amazonforest.net

American Botanicals

P.O. Box 158 24750 Hwy. FF
Eolia, MO 63344
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t: (800)684-6070
e: [email protected]
w: www.americanbotanicals.com

American Sanjiang Bio-Fountain Inc.

20258 Paseo Del Prado
Walnut, CA 91789
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t: (909)595-3080
e: [email protected]
w: www.americansanjiangbio.com

Anhui Kunda Biotechnology Co. Ltd.

No. 888 S. Shanghai Road
Chu Zhou, AH 08837 China
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t: +86-21-522-33250
e: [email protected]/[email protected]
w: www.kundabio.com

Asiamerica Ingredients Inc.

245 Old Hook Road
Westwood, NJ 07675
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t: (201)497-5993
e: [email protected]
w: www.asiamericaingredients.com

Aunutra Industries Inc.

5625 Daniels St.
Chino, CA 91710
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t: (909)628-2600
e: [email protected]
w: www.aunutra.com

Aunutra Industries Inc. - West Coast

5625 Daniels St.
Chino, CA 91710
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More from here;
Natural Products Insider Buyer's Guide : Ingredient Suppliers : Herbs/Botanicals/Food : Lobelia

I got all of my plants at the local garden nursery, the plants start flowering in the spring, so that's not too far away, and If say that nurseries will be starting to propagate the plants around now onwards, so they should be arriving in the stores/nurseries/outlets soon.
Go into such a place and order some plants, they'll tell you when to expect them.

If you're taking the tablet or liquid form, you can also supplement it with a little sage tea every day, it's an excellent expectorant and an aid to lobelia.

For a more complete and effective tonic effect as well as an anti smoking formula, try the mix I described in earlier posts of equal parts, lobelia, gotu kola, sage and any mint, but pennyroyal is best, as a tea, just a flat teaspoon of the dried (that's the best) or wet leaf is enough per cup.

Good luck mate. :bananaman:

Just started reading "Easy Way to Quit Smoking". Been smoking for 40 plus years, got to give it up. Thanks for the link on the PDF download.

G'day mellow,

You're gonna do it. Cut down first. In that time period think it through, why you've smoked etc.
Then, just choose your method, choose the moment and quit.
Easy as falling off a roof but not as painful. :)

It isn't hard once you've decided to do it and the method you'll use.
Talk to any of us who're quitting and in the process. Ask for anything. Tell us anything.
We're all with you.

Our bodies take time to adjust, as do our minds.

Don't give up, just quit.

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You have not been reading the posts , have you?

the physical addiction only lasts a few days, the mental addicition is there for life

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as well as the lobelia and other herbs I use, of course, that have helped lessen my craving for tobacco.

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you should not have any craving physically, just mental, so Lobelia is redundant

I gave up for 6 months once and started again - so Andy's right there it is the mental addiction

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I gave up for 6 months once and started again - so Andy's right there it is the mental addiction

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Sorry to hear you restarted smoking after 6 months.

Nicotine addiction is a double headed one, as is any addiction, the physical and the mental aspects.

I haven't had a problem with my quitting, maybe because I did a lot of working out of why and when I smoked in the few months of cutting down before quitting. I also quit with a smile, the morning I decided to quit, not by a pre-set deadline date.

I wish you success the next time you decide to quit! :)

I'm not sure if you can separate the mental craving from the physical. We are both a mind and a body, connected.

My father, who died of a heart attack after smoking for over 40 years, said that the craving never went away totally. He gave up a few times, including twice for 6 months each. He had rationed himself to 2 a day in the last 6 months of his life, but it was too late of course.
I later found that cholesterol builds up twice as fast in smokers. Moral ? Don't eat rich food if you smoke.

If any addiction is still doing your head in years down the line then you've not dealt with it yet.

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I'm not sure if you can separate the mental craving from the physical. We are both a mind and a body, connected.

My father, who died of a heart attack after smoking for over 40 years, said that the craving never went away totally.................. He gave up a few times, including twice for 6 months each. He had rationed himself to 2 a day in the last 6 months of his life, but it was too late of course.

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He obviously wasn't able to nor did he give up totally then, so no wonder the craving never totally left!

So much for that theory!

It was probably the stress of trying to stop smoking that killed your dad.

That's what killed my Dad and grandfather, being forced to quit, according to the doctor.

He thought that if Dad had only relaxed on a smoke or two a day, in the morning and evening, he'd have lived well into his nineties. Grandad died in his 90s when he was forced to stop smoking by do-gooders cracking up because he had a cold. Idiots.

This is why the doc told me not to force myself to quit, so I didn't and found that cutting down then taking lobelia has been a breeze, stress free.

Whatever you do when quitting, DON'T STRESS IT!

Relax your way through. :)