Andy thinks he's an intelligent being as he rides his pushbike around Chiangmai, sucking in the diesel fumes, ozone and smoke pollution at a greater volume than most.
Two more in our Chiangmai based family are down with lung problems in this last month.
The only times I'll get around on a pushbike in CM these days is early morning, 5am to 6am, before the diesel fumes thicken.
I think I'll be spending a lot more time away from there until it rains.
I agree with you there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dillinger
There's a guy down at the local tobacconist/liquor store who gave up about 6 months ago but started again after 3 months.
Soon after that I stopped smoking and he wanted some lobelia off me, so I gave him a plant to help and I haven't seen him since, he's changed his shift at the store, does nights now, so I don't get to see him much, but yup, he's still smoking and gets all guilty and apologetic about it.
I wish he wouldn't stress about it. I think he'll stop again once he starts coughing enough.
He'll decide when.
that should ring a bellQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
I take it then that you've never been a smoker and haven't a clue about what it's like to quit, nor what you're talking about.
The only reason you post on this thread is to annoy those who're serious about quitting tobacco and to disrupt the thread.
You're a piss poor show of a human being, and thick enough to cycle around in CM pollution lunging up that crap that passes for fresh air in your misguided impression that by doing so you're doing something healthy, and something good for your family. You're wrong, totally.
Now go and have another bike ride around the moat or across to the east side. Enjoy the diesel.
Still off of them, mate. I still get cravings... Cravings will never leave. But I break down I break down to an electronic cigaretteQuote:
Originally Posted by Koojo
you will always have cravings, at least for some more years to come. Think it took about 3 years for my cravings to subdue.
However 6 years down the road and I still get the odd pang to light up, even for just one puff!!! argh!
My old dad said that three years after quitting, but a friend of mine says he's not bothered at all about it, five years on.
My two sons have been stop starting for years, but I think they're now "occasional" smokers.
I'm still eating a bit of lobelia any time I think that I feel like a smoke, which is every so often, so no craving as such happens. That happens about once a day or so on average now.
The thing is, I don't let my mind dwell on the thought of tobacco, I think of something else.
I've done all the thinking about tobacco that I want to do in the past, before quitting.
I'll only think (momentarily) about a smoke now when I cannot resolve another thought before then.
It's as if turning to tobacco is like seeking a substitute for resolving my thought, an escape from the frustration of thinking, at times.
Calming my mind allows me to get past that mental block, or frustration, a bit like meditating, so no urge for tobacco per se arises, although the urge to escape the frustrated thought may still be there, which I can either resolve through further thought, or give up and let go and calm down.
Lobelia acts in the same way as tobacco, so thoughts ease their way along, frustrated thought processes, or anxieties simply lessen, stress levels lower and calmness results.
So far, I haven't found lobelia to be addictive, just mildly relaxing, and when trigger moments for tobacco arise while I don't have any lobelia available, I find that I can just say, "Later", the same way I did when cutting down on tobacco, and the thought/urge for lobelia disappears, as it did for tobacco. And that's just periodic, no big problem or crisis!
I don't drink much tea or coffee these days, about two cups of coffee and one or two of tea at the most, so I'll add a pinch of lobelia to my tea, it's really pleasant, and that cup might last me all evening, just sipping slowly.
Having a few bevies when out with pals or a wine at home is downright hilarious!
As I've mentioned before, lobelia deals to your dopamine receptors, so you really can't handle any kind of large doses of any addictive stuff or drugs or anything that hits the dopamine receptors, so whatever you take, booze, opiates, cocaine, speed, ganja, whatever, is amplified!
I feel less like having a smoke when I'm drinking than ever before! I just laugh a lot!
Same goes for ganja, off my face on the tiniest bit and no way want a ciggy!
Any way, to each his own! :)
There's a clue here :
Combines well with the alcohol he says he's "cutting down on" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
^^ You feel that you can cheerfully label me "forever an ex-smoker" but not a non-smoker as if you know something.
Quite factual you say? Someone tell ya that? Read it in a book? Inspiration tell ya?
Got news for ya fella, you know sod all about what's going down in my head or life.
I know differently from you, I'm living the deal, you're not.
Good luck to all the other recent quitters on this thread who have not been deluded enough to have smoked for 50 years !
anyway, here is a rational explanation for your irritable bouts bENT
read it and digest slowly, if you can
so don't panic bENT, it is just your body trying to cope without the nicotine crutchQuote:
One day you quit smoking. You may in fact be off for weeks, maybe months. All of a sudden, one day an exact same problem as before presents itself. You don’t have that automatic withdrawal kicking in and pulling you away from the situation. You see it, nothing else affecting you and you blow up. If the person is within earshot, you may explode. When you look back in retrospect, you feel you have blown up inappropriately, the reaction was greatly exaggerated for the situation. You faced it hundreds of times before and nothing like this ever happened. You begin to question what happened to you to turn you into such a horrible or explosive person. Understand what happened. You are not blowing up at what just happened, you are blowing up for what has been bothering you for years and now, because of the build up of frustration, you are blowing up much more severely than you ever would have if you addressed it early on. It is like pulling a cork out of a shaken carbonated bottle, the more shaken, the worse the explosion.
It's now been 61 days without tobacco, feeling good, and definitely lobelia helps.
Enough TD members have emailed or PM'd me about lobelia for me to post further information about this herb.
I finally got the name right in Chinese and Thai, it's ban bian lian,(lobelia chinensis) used in Chinese medicine and available in Chinese medicinal herb shops. It's got a broad range of applications and worth reading up on and using.
In Japanese it's called aze-mushiro and mizo kakushi.
Lobelia chinensis grows throughout SE Asia and India and has different local names.
As an aid in breathing, for asthma, bronchitis or congested lungs, a mixture of lobelia and sage made into a tea is excellent,
Not only does the tea aid in increasing lung capacity, but it acts as an expectorant so that with the lobelia, sage will cause mucus to discharge rapidly, by firstly expanding the bronchioli and secondly causing you to cough out all that loosened up mucus.
Just a pinch of dried lobelia leaf and a similar amount of dried sage leaf is enough for one cup of tea. You can use the fresh leaf, but dried is reputedly better. You can also add a pinch of the mixed lobelia and sage leaf to your ordinary tea to get a very relaxing and uplifting effect.
The same mix can be used to help quit smoking, have a cup of this tea instead of coffee.
Small quantities only should be used, and consulting Chinese herbalists or your doctor (if he/she is open to alternative medicines) is a good idea if you're on any medications especially for heart, circulatory or lung problems.Don't exceed the recommended dosages.
I've found the above quantities to be harmless and truly beneficial.
Remember, it fastens onto your dopamine receptors, so will affect your reaction to most drugs.
Lobelia is a lovely herb. :)
My mate Dave was on about this stuff called Lobelia, I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet in this thread, but it's meant to be good stuff for getting of the evil weed, like, innit.
Works wonders for getting off tobacco. !00% effective, and non-addictive.
Inhibits herpes and cancer as well.
I love Lobelia, I can't stop talking about it
when someone sends me a red because they have Irritable Bowels, I just take a leaf off the plant next to my bed
if someone is rude, I take Lobelia to ward off evil spiritsQuote:
https://teakdoor.com/images/td_defaul...tation_neg.gif 1st time over a decade... 21-02-2013 10:34 PM ENT Keep sucking up that Chiangmai air, and choke.
It is good, oh very good
absolutely, and I can't do without it because I keep needing itQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
yes, don't Google it, too much negative information might be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
bastardsQuote:
In manufacturing, lobelia is used in cough preparations and counterirritant products. Some stop-smoking products around the world include lobelia as an ingredient. But since 1993, manufacturers have not been allowed to include lobelia in stop-smoking products sold in the U.S. That’s when research found that lobelia doesn’t make stop-smoking products any more effective.
Lobelia has been used in Champix/Chantrix ever since 1993 and it's only the OTC preparations that have been successfully banned by FDA in USA only.
Otherwise, lobelia is freely available anywhere. Only negative propagandists such as the above poster and others who have a vested interest in suppressing this marvelous herb continue to denigrate its positive use.
Continued research on lobelia is published by several non-US countries. Just search the web.
I did not denigrate Lobelia, it is a good herb when used correctly
but those amongst us who have become "born-again Lobelites" should be wary of it
Anyway, if it helps you stop smoking, good, but don't push its use too much, everyone is different and can have different reactions and needs
Sure lobelia shouldn't be overdosed, it has the immediate side effect of making you feel nauseous.
I've stated clearly that small doses only are recommended and that it can amplify the effects of other drugs as it acts as an agonist and protagonist on the dopamine receptors.
In using lobelia, small quantities of other herbs may be added.
The lobelia "tea" mixture that I now drink contains lobelia, sage, gotu kola, mint and green tea.
An excellent combination for negating any negative craving, for increasing the lung and cardio-vascular capacity, relieves asthma and bronchitis and decreases any degenerative liver ailments such as cirrhosis of the liver. It's being trialled successfully in combating herpes, and several forms of cancer, including cancer of the small intestine.
I suppose as you were stupid enough to smoke for 50 years (!!!) then you need any crutch you can get
your body must be really fucked
Not at all, I'm in excellent physical and mental health and don't cycle around in that toxic brew you call fresh air. The air I breath comes largely from Antarctica, and when in Asia I choose where and when I'm there so avoid most of the pollution.
You see, I've stopped inhaling pollutants, while you, as in your own words, freely choose to continue doing so by sucking in Chiangmai pollution daily on your bike rides.
Bloody idiot.
My father and grandfather smoked, but both died as a result of being forced to stop smoking, so you anti-smoking wowsers haven't a clue about how tobacco smoking works on a human.
Some people suffer badly from smoking, others don't, go read up about it.
Those contributing to this thread who are in various stages of quitting have made a choice to do so and to quit their way, and each of those have given positive input and encouragement to quit to each other, while others, namely you and Latindancer have done as much as you can to provide negative input.
You're both scum.
of course they did, we all know that stopping smoking kills youQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
in fact, my mother never smoked at all and she died
I take your word about the physical health but the latter has not been demonstrated hereQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
see what I mean, hardly a balanced post!Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
I have given lots of advice on this thread, and have tried to make balanced posts
You though, have behaved like a loony tune, promoting Lobelia as if it were a magic potion
anytime someone disagrees with you, you just blow up and insult them, not really very nice
They may be right and you wrong
^ No point my arguing with an idiot, eh AnalAndy? In post # 371 I gave a recipe for a lobelia and herb tea I recently concocted.
The mixture was of equal parts of lobelia, gotu kola, sage, mint and tea. Use only a flat teaspoon.
I made a cup of that tea at about the time of my post, around 6 hours ago, and have been sipping at that and a second refill of hot water over the initial spoon full of herbs since.
The effect is marvellous, I don't notice my body or its weight etc, totally light and relaxed
A small cough, expectorating a small amount of old mucus containing black spots, not much, but residual pollution not expectorated when I was cutting down before quitting, nor in the first few weeks of not smoking. I think that was the sage working, shifting the mucus as the lobelia dilated the bronchiolli.
There are tiny little hairs or cilia in the bronchiolli, they usually function to wave mucus and contaminants along out of the lungs. When recovering from smoking, these cilia get back into action again, and tars atc caught up between them break off and are coughed out.
Absolutely not any thought of or urge to smoke, relaxed and at ease.
My appetite is good, but I'm not over-eating or snacking between meals either.
The gotu kola seems to accentuate the effect of lobelia or vice versa, I feel more relaxed, and the gotu kola really loosens the joints, ribs and wrists knees, ankles, spine all clicked as I relaxed further. Interesting effect. I'm sure that the pennyroyal mint that I used helped there too.
You should try that recipe Andy, it'd help your lungs get rid of all that Chiangmai pollution, it's no good for ya. No use denying that it doesn't affect you, everyone in Chiangmai coughs!
This mix could also help you too Latindancer. Used in conjunction with magnesium and vitamin D, it could really help your gout.
It's better to increase the amount of gotu kola though, slowly, from 2 up to 5 leaves a day, max.
Great stuff these herbs, not only do they help stop smoking, but they'll clear your lungs, and kidneys and gouty joints as well as boosting your breathing, blood circulation and oxygen supply,
Give it a go. Ban bian lian is the local and Chinese name for lobelia, at Chinese herb shops.
Glad to see that you recognise the smoke pollution cough in Chiangmai.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrAndy
So what does that have to do with a stop smoking thread?
Plenty, it's all about inhaling smoke, a hydrocarbon pollutant, made worse when combined with ozone under the action of UV light (as in high risk Chiangmai).
There's no point in banning tobacco smoking in Chiangmai establishments as the risk of serious damage to health is higher from breathing the lovcal devil's brew that passes as fresh air there.
I used to be castigated daily by wowsers for smoking tobacco in Chiangmai. I coughed lots.
So did the wowsers, who blamed their cough on my smoking !!!!
It turns out that I've got rid of the causes of my cough, by firstly removing myself from Chiangmai to a clean air zone, then by using expectorant herbs, then by finally quitting tobacco use, all of which steps have led me on a path of physical and psychological recovery and well being.
You, on the other hand, continue blindly on, drawn by greed to your goal of economic gain through investing your life in Chiangmai and it's accompanying air pollution, at a daily pollution intake far in excess of the average, as you cycle around the diesel and rice smoke and ozone and UV high atmosphere of the largest respiratory collapse district of Thailand.
And you reckon you're sane?
You're fwkd in the head as well as the lungs dimwit.
The need to stop smoking tobacco or any substance is not just the reduction of nicotine involved.
It relates more directly to the level of unburned hydrocarbons taken into the lungs, be it from ganja, tobacco, diesel, rice straw or whatever, smoke inhaled directly into the lungs is a definite no - no for any animal beast or thing.
Take my advice Andy and stop cycling around Chiangmai unless you're wearing a double chemical filtered industrial breathing mask.
The rate of air intake you generate as you cycle is greater than if you were simply walking around the district breathing slowly and minimally to allow the cilia and mucus in your nose and lungs to filter the air for you.
You're breathing too fast and heavy and at a greater force for your natural defences to cope with all the pollutants.
If you spent all day indoors on an exercycle with all the windows and doors shut and the air-con with extra filters on, you'd be far healthier than riding around Chiangmai on a pushbike, any time.
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Back to quitter's feedback report.
Now, end of week # 9 in a smoke free life.
A slight case of "quitters' 'flu" has occured in the last few days, a kind of snotty back-of-throat and nasal congestion thingy.
Nothing severe, just a surprise, but eased by the herbal mix I've described, lobelia and sage being the main active ingredients for clearing the lungs.
I've decided to have a cup of the herb mix tea regularly now, not so much as an anti-smoking thing, but as a tonic and general re-vivifier, it's brilliant. :)
(PS Rubies in Patpong? Where did you get that story from?)
what nonsense you post. I want people to stop smoking in bars and restaurants so that I don't get irritated by their smoke, and don't go home stinking of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
whilst the pollution in CM is bad, not banning smoking because of that seems rather stupid
so now you call me greedy because we wish to make a living?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT
As i said, I recognise the dangers of the pollution and have to weigh the risks against many other factors. I don't like it but I can't change it, except by pressing the local gov to do something. BUT I can try to stop people smoking in my favourite bars and reataurants
hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
I don't cycle for my health but because I enjoy itQuote:
Originally Posted by ENT
at last you admit to having them, so what have you done with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by ENT