Thread: 9 out of 10 Scottish households take more from the public purse than they contribute

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

Bahrain, Bermuda, Brunei, Kuwait, Maldives, Oman, Qatar etc etc

And I live in Thailand so yeah, irrelevant again.
You come across as a faux intellectual, but you can't even back up your fakery. You have been proven to lie already so you should probably just back away quietly and stick to stuff you actually know about.

irrelevant to what? you asked which countries dont tax pensions and there are some of the ones which don't. possibly too complex for someone so stupid to be relying on a state pension scheme in their retirement that's for sure.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

relying on a state pension scheme in their retirement that's for sure.

Where does it state I am relying on a state pension scheme numb nuts? I have two final salary index linked government pension schemes in payment already. When I reach state retirement age I will also receive a state pension.
You are probably another dumb seppo with a high opinion of himself. You clearly have zero knowledge of other countries tax and pension schemes and limited knowledge of your own. If your not American then you are trying too hard and failing.

wrong on all counts Einstein.

Originally Posted by draco888

wrong on all counts Einstein.

If I am wrong on all counts then perhaps your genius can explain what is wrong with this statement?

I have two final salary index linked government pension schemes in payment already. When I reach state retirement age I will also receive a state pension.

So far It has been established that you lie, you don't listen, and you can't read. You have no understanding of UK tax and pensions, or Scottish devolution/independence and EU accession.

Please enlighten us with your knowledge of finance in your specialist subject; Dumbfuck Nowhere.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

wrong on all counts Einstein.

If I am wrong on all counts then perhaps your genius can explain what is wrong with this statement?

[I]I have two final salary index linked government pension schemes in payment already. When I reach state retirement age I will also receive a state pension.
Nowhere.

I meant in your assumptions about me. Interpretation of language is evidently not your strong suit is it?

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

wrong on all counts Einstein.

If I am wrong on all counts then perhaps your genius can explain what is wrong with this statement?

I have two final salary index linked government pension schemes in payment already. When I reach state retirement age I will also receive a state pension.

So far It has been established that you lie, you don't listen, and you can't read. You have no understanding of UK tax and pensions, or Scottish devolution/independence and EU accession.

Please enlighten us with your knowledge of finance in your specialist subject; Dumbfuck Nowhere.

Why would you want to be enlightened by someone you believe possessed the aforementioned qualities? You sound so bitter having been fucked up the ass by the UK govt while you lived there and still continue to receive a good rogering even though you have left. Well that does happen to people who lack the foresight to make alternative arrangements. You sound like the classic public sector whiner who never had the balls to stop suckling on the nanny states teat.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

That's unusual, most countries don't tax pension at both ends.

IME the opposite is true. If you have any kind of income then you pay tax on it. In the case of a pension, you have earned it through taxable income. When the pension is paid, it's taxed again.
Do you have a list of these countries who don't tax pension income?

How can you accuse me of not knowing about tax and pensions when the basic concept of tax relief on pension contributions has seemingly evaded you all these years?

Originally Posted by draco888

How can you accuse me of not knowing about tax and pensions when the basic concept of tax relief on pension contributions has seemingly evaded you all these years?

It is so difficult to explain things to nutters like you who have no knowledge of the matters you spout about. Go back to reading the Daily Mail. I'm probably giving you too much credit for being able to even read it.
You have ignored or failed to read or understand any of the posts where I have taken the trouble to explain my personal circumstances. This has led to yet another epic fail in your understanding.
No surprise there then.
My finances are just fine as is my relationship with the UK. If at any point in the future I need to work, I can do f I so choose. You will struggle enormously unless you can afford your own sweeping brush.
Please do everyone a favour and stop posting worthless opinions all over the site, and failing to back up your ridiculous commentary gleaned from reading the Beano.
You are a waste of time and space on here, and more than likely a waste of a good skin in real life. Tosser.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

How can you accuse me of not knowing about tax and pensions when the basic concept of tax relief on pension contributions has seemingly evaded you all these years?

It is so difficult to explain things to nutters like you who have no knowledge of the matters you spout about. Go back to reading the Daily Mail. I'm probably giving you too much credit for being able to even read it.
You have ignored or failed to read or understand any of the posts where I have taken the trouble to explain my personal circumstances. This has led to yet another epic fail in your understanding.
No surprise there then.
My finances are just fine as is my relationship with the UK. If at any point in the future I need to work, I can do f I so choose. You will struggle enormously unless you can afford your own sweeping brush.
Please do everyone a favour and stop posting worthless opinions all over the site, and failing to back up your ridiculous commentary gleaned from reading the Beano.
You are a waste of time and space on here, and more than likely a waste of a good skin in real life. Tosser.

maybe you find it difficult because you have no fukcing clue what you are talking about. why do you think everything revolves around your own personal circumstances? thats where the failure is if anywhere. Get back to the classroom mate, at least you will be with your intellectual equals there.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

How can you accuse me of not knowing about tax and pensions when the basic concept of tax relief on pension contributions has seemingly evaded you all these years?

It is so difficult to explain things to nutters like you who have no knowledge of the matters you spout about. Go back to reading the Daily Mail. I'm probably giving you too much credit for being able to even read it.
You have ignored or failed to read or understand any of the posts where I have taken the trouble to explain my personal circumstances. This has led to yet another epic fail in your understanding.
No surprise there then.
My finances are just fine as is my relationship with the UK. If at any point in the future I need to work, I can do f I so choose. You will struggle enormously unless you can afford your own sweeping brush.
Please do everyone a favour and stop posting worthless opinions all over the site, and failing to back up your ridiculous commentary gleaned from reading the Beano.
You are a waste of time and space on here, and more than likely a waste of a good skin in real life. Tosser.

OK have it your way, there are no tax reliefs on pension contributions. Well done spreading that misinformation around though i doubt anyone believes it.

Originally Posted by draco888

OK have it your way, there are no tax reliefs on pension contributions. Well done spreading that misinformation around though i doubt anyone believes it.

I can't believe you are still here peddling more lies. Sure I told you to shut the fuck up. When your opinion is required you will be informed. Don't go holding your breath now fuckwit.

Originally Posted by draco888

everything revolves around your own personal circumstances?

In terms of my income it does. Now fuck off.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

OK have it your way, there are no tax reliefs on pension contributions. Well done spreading that misinformation around though i doubt anyone believes it.

I can't believe you are still here peddling more lies. Sure I told you to shut the fuck up. When your opinion is required you will be informed. Don't go holding your breath now fuckwit.

you seem to have great difficulty distinguishing between reality and your own personal universe.

Big man behind a keyboard huh? Now i suggest you toddle off down to the bar and try and impress whoever is still prepared to listen to you how impressive your knowledge is.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by draco888

everything revolves around your own personal circumstances?

In terms of my income it does. Now fuck off.

yeah yeah you love the sound of your own voice do you not? try and let what passes for your brain a little time to catch up.

Originally Posted by Lorenzo

The whole scene sounds screwed up. Same as the union scum in the US, they claim to be big working men but in reality are all on the doll

The Union movement in the US must operate differently than in Australia as Ive read a similar post regarding the Union Movement in America.

The Union movement's key aim is to provide decent wages and a safe working environment for the working man. Without a Union the worker is fair game to unscrupulous employers who will exploit the worker and bleed them dry providing substandard wages and dangerous working conditions.

This can be observed on every working site in Asia and any first world factory or construction site where there is no union.

Long live the Union Movement without it the worker is foked.

United we stand divided we fall.

Looks like yer in for a fall.

Originally Posted by terry57

This can be observed on every working site in Asia and any first world factory or construction site where there is no union.

so you are saying every factory or construction site provides "substandard wages and dangerous working conditions" unless there is a Union there?

Originally Posted by draco888

So you are saying every factory or construction site provides "substandard wages and dangerous working conditions" unless there is a Union there?

No but I reckon 70% would be a fair guesstimate. Take a walk around any major building site in Thailand or Asia and you will see the workers in decent safety gear but go to a smaller site its thongs and sun glasses for prevention against welding burns.

No proper safety equipment and no union to protect them so what do they have. ?

They have fok all except a boss who will replace them in a heart beat.

No union equals slave labor for the unskilled punter and the skilled if workers are available.

Just the way it is and you can never get around it unless your name is ENT.

Eh ENT.

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Yes I agree full on that its foked up and I hope that some bastard assassinates the fat greedy fuk.

Its stories like that that give people like you mileage to denigrate the Union movement as a whole but to an intelligent person he or she would be able to rationalize that there are some corrupt bastards in every walk of society whether it be the Union movement or the dude working in Disneyland.

The ideology of the Union movement is pure and simple and that is for the working man to recieve a decent wage for his work and to be protected in the event of a accident in the work place.

The example you give above is disappointing but not revelevant to the cause much the same as Lance Armstrong and doping in cycling.

Keep it real ENT and stop bringing up pathetic incidents of corruption.

Anyway if your up for it we will go put a cap in that bastards arse, not Lance but that Other fuk.

What bare ya on about with "pathetic incidents of infighting"?
Union corruption's been a headache for the worers ever since the 1960s.

Why d'ya think workers are turning against the unions in droves?
Once there was hardly a no-union member in the Aus PO, but that changed after Bob Hawk made hismoves into politics.
Workers these days are keener to get into individual contracts with employers, they're better read so can figure out their own contracts and conditions of employment.
There's also courts of arbitration that individual workers can seek justice from if employers stuff them around.
TThe worst part of unionism was not so much the stand over tactics of forced extortion of union dues to feed the parasite "union reps", but he fact that the unions dictated who you'd vote for, Labour, or else.
Freedom of speech on politics was nonexistent in union dominated work forces and you couldn;t get a job if tou weren't in the union.
It was a form of silent bondage, worse than fascism because it operated right across the wok force and affected the workers' families too.
A cheap political manipulation that kept the worker nose to the grindstone and the union reps and their politician cronies well fed out of the capitalist trough.

Originally Posted by terry57

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Yes I agree full on that its foked up and I hope that some bastard assassinates the fat greedy fuk.

Its stories like that that give people like you mileage to denigrate the Union movement as a whole but to an intelligent person he or she would be able to rationalize that there are some corrupt bastards in every walk of society whether it be the Union movement or the dude working in Disneyland.

The ideology of the Union movement is pure and simple and that is for the working man to recieve a decent wage for his work and to be protected in the event of a accident in the work place.

The example you give above is disappointing but not revelevant to the cause much the same as Lance Armstrong and doping in cycling.

Keep it real ENT and stop bringing up pathetic incidents of corruption.

Anyway if your up for it we will go put a cap in that bastards arse, not Lance but that Other fuk.

Hey not to upset you but I have no respect for the Union in our home town.
I was a boat builder for many years & there was many hard years.
So I got into Perth city Councel & got to be a Garbo fucking good job.
Not the money it was the hours that you work.
You will remember this the big strike back maybe 30 years ago
The road worker whated 38 hour week ( the Garbo did not as we did not work that may hour).
The union told as that we have to help the road workers to get there 38 hour week.
We all as Garbo lost our jobs the road workers kept there job

Well get fucked to the union.
I am now in Thailand I pay my works good money & look after them.

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by draco888

So you are saying every factory or construction site provides "substandard wages and dangerous working conditions" unless there is a Union there?

No but I reckon 70% would be a fair guesstimate. Take a walk around any major building site in Thailand or Asia and you will see the workers in decent safety gear but go to a smaller site its thongs and sun glasses for prevention against welding burns.

No proper safety equipment and no union to protect them so what do they have. ?

They have fok all except a boss who will replace them in a heart beat.

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So you think that unless there was unions, that people would disregard their own safety ?

Communist logic..