NFL 2016

**Cold Pizza** · 08-11-2016, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by beachbound

Originally Posted by redhaze

Sherman is an embarrassment to the league.

ftfy

Originally Posted by bsnub

Did you happen to notice how that D tightened up?

I noticed... They tightened up, alright.

Watch the thug at the bottom of the screen lay out Powell on that last drive.
How does an official miss that?

It's called 'football.'

I love the jealousy.

**UrbanMan** · 09-11-2016, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

It's called 'football.'

Lower TV ratings this year? Wonder why.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 02:06 AM

Wow. One less receiver to worry about. No need to cover them on the final play or whatever.

**beachbound** · 09-11-2016, 02:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

It's called 'football.'

It was actually not an illegal. If the QB is outside the pocket, the defender can make contact with the receiver, despite the fact that he was past 5 yards. However the nature of the hit, (he was defenseless, IMO) is what bothers me. It was a cheap shot, from a dirty player, on a dirty team, coached by a dirty coach.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 02:46 AM

Was Taylor out of the pocket at that point? That looks like the beginning of the play but hard to tell...I know he was flushed pretty early in the play but that looks pretty early as also.

That hit on the punter was defo a cheap shot though. No one tries to block a kick like that, he would have tried to get as much of his body in front of the ball as possible. He flew into the guys legs with his back

**UrbanMan** · 09-11-2016, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

IMO, the delay of game before the end of the half was an error (bad call).

Absolutely.

They really need to expand coaches challenges, to allow reviews of these kinds of situations. Would have been really easy to call up the video in this case and see the mistake.

**samsara** · 09-11-2016, 05:12 AM

how about this one?

sherman gets torched routinely now. hes not a top CB anymore. he must resort to the thuggish tactics seen above and yap his mouth in order to remain relevant.

**bsnub** · 09-11-2016, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by redhaze

That hit on the punter was defo a cheap shot though.

Trent Dilfer, Matt Hasselbeck, Randy Moss, Steve Young and Charles Woodson all disagree with you. After the game they all were asked if it was a cheap shot and everyone of them said no that Sherman was going after the ball.

Maybe you would prefer to watch flag football instead? Powder puff football maybe?

From Sherman;

Sherman disputed that the play was "dirty," telling reporters after the game, "I'm a pro. I've been in this league long enough. I know how hard it is to play. When you go for a block, that's what you do. You go for a block. Even if I was offsides, you still stop the play. You're not going to let him just kick the ball freely and let him have a free play. He could have made the decision not to kick the ball. He saw the flag before I did. He has a better vantage point than any of us."

Bottom line Carpenter should never of tried to kick that ball.

Originally Posted by samsara

sherman gets torched routinely now. hes not a top CB anymore.

You say some of the stupidest things. Maybe you should follow a sport that you know something about because it sure is not football.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 07:51 AM

Carpenter should not have tried to kick the ball lol. Richard Sherman, is that you?

**bsnub** · 09-11-2016, 07:55 AM

^ Heh well the commentators I listed above after the game agreed.

Also !!AN FYI TO THOSE OF YOU POSTING VIDEOS!! DELETE THE HTTPS FROM THE ADDRESS OTHERWISE IT BORKS THE POST LIKE THE ONE ABOVE.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 07:56 AM

They also said it was roughing the kicker btw, so pick and choose what fits your narrative. I think with Russel Wilson literally walking towards them to be interviewed at that moment they just aren't going to go there. But the film doesn't lie, the guy was headed straight for the legs. Never seen a guy try to block a kick in that way ever

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 07:58 AM

Kickers always kick the ball in those situations by the way. They take it as just a practice shot or whatever even when the whistle has clearly blown. That's very common. It's on Sherman, not the kicker, to hold up on that play. That's well-established precedent

**bsnub** · 09-11-2016, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by redhaze

I think with Russel Wilson literally walking towards them to be interviewed at that moment they just aren't going to go there.

Originally Posted by redhaze

But the film doesn't lie

Sure doesn't going for the ball.

Originally Posted by redhaze

That's very common. It's on Sherman, not the kicker, to hold up on that play.

Its on the holder to yank the ball and take off not the kicker.

Originally Posted by redhaze

That's well-established precedent

No its not now you are just making shit up.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 08:03 AM

No, it actually happens numerous times each week where the whistle blows and the kicker just follows through with the kick anyways to take a practice shot. Even Sherman himself said that kicker probably just kicked it because he wanted to. Well yeah, exactly it happens every single week. The difference is no one goes in for a potential career-ending shot. That's on Sherman. Don't blast other posters for not knowing things about football and then show your own stupidity.

**bsnub** · 09-11-2016, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by redhaze

Don't blast other posters for not knowing things about football and then show your own stupidity.

I am showing anything but stupidity. The kicker could clearly see Sherman coming at him and did nothing. If that was me there is no way I would have tried to kick that ball it was just plain stupid and like I said everyone of those announcers agreed and said that they would have done the same thing. Charles Woodson said he would have gone for the ball just like Sherman did. But I guess he is stupid and you know more about football then him.

Give me a break.

**beachbound** · 09-11-2016, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

ottom line Carpenter should never of tried to kick that ball.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I say some of the stupidest things

I agree

**beachbound** · 09-11-2016, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

If that was me there is no way I would have tried to kick that ball it was just plain stupid and like I said everyone of those announcers agreed and said that they would have done the same thing. Charles Woodson said he would have gone for the ball just like Sherman did

HE STILL ROUGHED THE KICKER, FFS!

**Storekeeper** · 09-11-2016, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by beachbound

HE STILL ROUGHED THE KICKER, FFS!

Now I know you're totally clueless. Worst case is it was "running into the kicker".

Two totally different penalties.

**samsara** · 09-11-2016, 04:39 PM

bsnub plays a good troll. even the most devout fan isnt this blind to his teams foibles.

**samsara** · 09-11-2016, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by beachbound

HE STILL ROUGHED THE KICKER, FFS!

Now I know you're totally clueless. Worst case is it was "running into the kicker".

Two totally different penalties.

nope. youre utterly wrong.

roughing the kicker occurs when a player slides into or hits the plant leg while the kicking leg is in the kicking motion. thats exactly what sherman did. running into the kicker is not giving space to let the kicking leg return to the ground after the kick.

its also real interesting how sherman didnt attempt to block anything...he went for the knee of the plant leg. if sherman is so "smart", then he surely knew that the bills had only 1 active kicker.

dirty is as dirty does.

**redhaze** · 09-11-2016, 05:15 PM

I don't see what he is doing there as trying to block the kick. Blocking a kick means trying to make yourself as big as possible, arms outstretched above your head to ensure you get a hand on the ball. Sherman just looks nothing like that, he is diving arms down with his shoulder and back straight into the dude's leg. I don't know what was in Sherman's head, but it certainly looks like a really dirty, cheap shot on film.

As far as whether it was roughing the kicker that's not even debatable the NFL has admitted that, and admitted they screwed up and didn't reset the play clock on the FG that was good.

2. Somehow, a personal foul for unnecessary roughness wasn't called. Blandino confirmed this was a mistake.

"The referee didn't think that the contact was severe enough, he felt that players were coming together and he just didn't think it was a foul," Blandino said. "We looked at it, it is a foul."

On the ensuing field-goal attempt, the referees flagged the Bills for delay of game even though an official was over the ball with less than 10 seconds remaining on the game clock. Blandino said referees need to reset the game clock if they're handling the ball with fewer than 20 seconds left on it.

If the NFL admits all of this stuff and is throwing their refs under the bus...you know it has gotten out of hand. 3 out of the 8 or so articles frontpaging nfl.com are about this issue currently.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n-seahawks-win

**UrbanMan** · 09-11-2016, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by redhaze

If the NFL admits all of this stuff and is throwing their refs under the bus...

I don't see this as throwing the refs under the bus. "Under the bus" means you as a leader tell somebody to do something, and when they do it, you withdraw all support. That's the not the case here.

The refs are supposed to know what roughing the kicker is, and they are supposed to reset the play clock in accordance with the rules. There are seven - SEVEN - officials on the field. How can they completely blow a field goal attempt? There is so much less going on, versus most other plays. It should be easy. Massive Eff up.

**samsara** · 09-11-2016, 11:59 PM

the NFLs preeminent player rankings:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro...m_campaign=nfl

sherman is not in the top 6. hmm...

**Cold Pizza** · 10-11-2016, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by samsara

sherman gets torched routinely now. hes not a top CB anymore. he must resort to the thuggish tactics seen above and yap his mouth in order to remain relevant.

He doesn't get torched routinely, IMO.

Has has more interceptions since 2011 than any other corner in the league.

He isn't the same as in 2012, no doubt, but he's still very good.

(I don't like him, as I've noted.)

**Cold Pizza** · 10-11-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by samsara

bsnub plays a good troll. even the most devout fan isnt this blind to his teams foibles.

samsara,

bsnub sounds accurate and you and beachbound do not.

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