Thread: Alternative Diets

Originally Posted by BigRed

I was commenting on High Fructose Corn Syrup, not fructose itself. From the first link I provided:

They are the same or more precise frctose is a main ingredient to Fructose Corn Syrup. So the ingredients are completely natural independent on how they were produced. The findings will apply to honey or many fruit in the same way. Except for the higher content of vitamins in fruit. But I do have problems with eating fruit that probably come from the fructose content so my own experience fits the bill. I do eat fruit but limit the amount.

That there is a health problem with fructose I agree and alredy have stated.

Originally Posted by BigRed

Although sugar is bad, HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) is even worse. See Princeton University - A sweet problem: Princeton researchers find that high-fructose corn syrup prompts considerably more weight gain
and Missing link between fructose, insulin resistance found and http://www.ase.tufts.edu/gdae/Pubs/r...ngPotFeb09.pdf
These basically say that HFCS is alien to the body and so promote generation of fat without kicking in the regulators that detect high calorie consumption.

Indeed. That shit is in everything nowadays.

2008 I HAD A DOUBLE BY PASS AND A VALVE REPLACEMENT IWAS 18 STONE AT THE TIME I SEEN THE SURGEON IN APRIL, HE TOLD ME I HAD TO LOSE AT LEAST 2STONE,IWAS SUFFERING WITH BAD SIDE AFFECTS FROM TAKING STATINGS 80MG A DAY,SHORTAGE OF BREATH FROM 20YEARS DOWN THE COAL MINES A COULD NOT WALK FAR,I HAVE NEVER SMOKED IN MY LIFE BUT LIKE MY FOOD AND DRINK.WE HAD PLANNED TO MOVE TO THAILAND ON RETIREMENT BUT THE DR.SAID IF I DONT LOOSE WEIGHT I WONT SEE XMAS.SO I CUT OUT ALL FATS,BUTTER,CHEESE,PIES AND ONLY HAD CHIPS ONCE A WEEK BUT MOST IMMPORTANT I DID NOT EAT ANYTHING AFTER 5PM,I LOST OVER 2STONE HAD THE OP.IN OCTOBER WAS HOME AFTER 9DAYS CLIMBED THE STAIRS WITHOUT ANY DISSCOMFORT AND HAVE NEVER FELT BETTER I STILL LIKE MY CHIPS BUT EAT A LOT OF FRUIT AND ONLY DRINK ONCE A WEEK,MY WEIGHT IS KNOW THE LOWEST ITS BEEN IN 35YEARS,JUST BY EATING SENSIBLE.

Can You Shout A Bit Louder, We Can't Hear You!

dont do what i did if your getting any discomfort in your left arm like a heavy fealing exspecialy after food get your colestral checked, or if you sweat a lot,dont tell the wife she put too much chilli in,its telling you all is not well i ignored all the symptons and nearly paid the price.i have a small book which descibes what you have to go through it does not make good reading,i have to have blood checked every month to keep my wafarin in check and another 10 different tabs every day for life,so dont delay do it today.

Nah.. ignorance is bliss

from http://articles.latimes.com/2010/dec...arbs-20101220:


Most people can count calories. Many have a clue about where fat lurks in their diets. However, fewer give carbohydrates much thought, or know why they should.
But a growing number of top nutritional scientists blame excessive carbohydrates — not fat — for America's ills. They say cutting carbohydrates is the key to reversing obesity, heart disease, Type 2 diabetes and hypertension.


"Fat is not the problem," says Dr. Walter Willett, chairman of the department of nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "If Americans could eliminate sugary beverages, potatoes, white bread, pasta, white rice and sugary snacks, we would wipe out almost all the problems we have with weight and diabetes and other metabolic diseases."
It's a confusing message. For years we've been fed the line that eating fat would make us fat and lead to chronic illnesses. "Dietary fat used to be public enemy No. 1," says Dr. Edward Saltzman, associate professor of nutrition and medicine at Tufts University. "Now a growing and convincing body of science is pointing the finger at carbs, especially those containing refined flour and sugar."
Americans, on average, eat 250 to 300 grams of carbs a day, accounting for about 55% of their caloric intake. The most conservative recommendations say they should eat half that amount. Consumption of carbohydrates has increased over the years with the help of a 30-year-old, government-mandated message to cut fat.
And the nation's levels of obesity, Type 2 diabetes and heart disease have risen. "The country's big low-fat message backfired," says Dr. Frank Hu, professor of nutrition and epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health. "The overemphasis on reducing fat caused the consumption of carbohydrates and sugar in our diets to soar. That shift may be linked to the biggest health problems in America today."


To understand what's behind the upheaval takes some basic understanding of food and metabolism.
All carbohydrates (a category including sugars) convert to sugar in the blood, and the more refined the carbs are, the quicker the conversion goes. When you eat a glazed doughnut or a serving of mashed potatoes, it turns into blood sugar very quickly. To manage the blood sugar, the pancreas produces insulin, which moves sugar into cells, where it's stored as fuel in the form of glycogen.

that low carb stuff is only ok ,maybe,for a short time weight diet,

was reading interesting article on beetroot juice

The elixir of youth? Beetroot juice could give the elderly a new lease of life, say experts



By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 4:24 PM on 20th December 2010

• Comments (22)

Drinking beetroot juice could help the elderly lead more active lives, it has been found.

In tests, they required less energy to carry out low-intensity exercises after drinking the juice.

The amount of effort it took to walk was reduced by 12 per cent.

Wonder juice? Researchers have found that drinking beetroot juice could help the elderly lead more active lives, as well as reduce the amount of oxygen needed to exercise

This could enhance their lives by allowing the elderly to carry out tasks they might not otherwise attempt, the researchers said.

Beetroot juice widens blood vessels and reduces the amount of oxygen needed by muscles during activity.

As people age, or if they develop conditions that affect the cardiovascular system, the amount of oxygen taken in during exercise can drop dramatically.

Writing in the Journal of Applied Physiology, Katie Lansley said: ‘What we’ve seen in this study is that beetroot juice can actually reduce the amount of oxygen you need to perform even low-intensity exercise.’

A team from Exeter University and the Peninsula College of Medicine and Dentistry gave subjects normal beetroot juice or juice with the nitrates removed.

Professor Andy Jones said: ‘Each time the normal, nitrate-rich juice was used, we saw a marked improvement in performance which wasn’t there with the filtered juice – so we know the nitrate is the active ingredient.


Read more: The elixir of youth? Beetroot juice could give the elderly a new lease of life, say experts | Mail Online

^^

That article should be more specific in singling out processed carbs especially white death.

I saw this headline at Whole-Fat Dairy Products May Lower Type 2 Diabetes Risk: Study

Whole-Fat Dairy Products May Lower Type 2 Diabetes Risk: Study

Then I saw the same study reported in the Daily Express with this headline:

LOW-FAT MILK AND CHEESE CAN HELP PREVENT DIABETES

Read more: Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Low-fat milk and cheese can help prevent diabetes

Well the studys author says:

Circulating palmitoleic acid is found naturally in the human body. It's also found in small quantities in dairy foods. When it's found in sources outside the human body, it's referred to as trans-palmitoleic acid. Whole milk has more trans-palmitoleic acid than 2 percent milk, and 2 percent milk has more of this fatty acid than does skim milk.
"The amount of trans-palmitoleic acid is proportional to the amount of dairy fat," said Mozaffarian (the studys author).

People with higher levels of trans-palmitoleic acid had slightly less fat on their bodies, according to the study. They also had higher "good" cholesterol levels and lower overall cholesterol levels. They had lower levels of C-reactive protein, a marker of inflammation. And they showed evidence of lower levels of insulin resistance, according to the study.
Most significantly, however, those with higher trans-palmitoleic acid levels had lower odds of developing type 2 diabetes. Those with the highest levels of trans-palmitoleic acid reduced their odds of type 2 diabetes by nearly two-thirds.

The Express got a quote from Deepa Khatri, clinical adviser of the charity Diabetes UK, who doesn't seem to have read the report and said:

People should not take the findings of this research as a reason to exceed the recommended amounts of dairy food to prevent their risk of developing Type 2 diabetes.Milk and dairy foods can be high in fat, which if eaten in excess can contribute to weight gain. So it’s advisable to choose lower-fat dairy foods instead.

Some people seem so indoctrinated by the Low Fat movement that they interpret a report completely wrong.

Originally Posted by blue

The elixir of youth? Beetroot juice could give the elderly a new lease of life, say experts

The problem seems to be that the beetroot juice you buy here has been 'enhanced' with tons of sugar.

There is a chapter which was cut from Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. It is all about gout. A link to it: Gout: The Missing Chapter from Good Calories, Bad Calories

More evidence for the lack of benefits from fibre came from a recent Dutch study that compared the fibre intakes and risk of colon cancer (technically referred to as ‘colorectal’ cancer) in men. Basically, fibre content in the diet, in this study, had no relationship with colorectal cancer risk. No surprises here, as it’s in keeping with previously-published research.
What was a bit more surprising about this study is the relationship between constipation and cancer risk. Remember, we’re told that constipation is a likely risk factor for colon cancer and preventing constipation (with a yummy bran-rich cereals) is a must here. Well, the results of this new study did not support this idea at all. In fact, men who reported suffering from constipation at least sometimes were, compared to those who were never constipated, at a 24 per cent reduced risk of colorectal cancer. Risk of rectal cancer was down by 43 per cent.


full article:


Think bran is good for the bowels? Think again | Dr Briffa's Blog

from Diabetes Update: Weight Loss Tips but not specific to diabetics.

1. The diet you are eating as you approach your lowest weight is the diet you will have to eat to maintain your weight loss. This is the dirty little secret of weight loss that no one who sells weight loss dreams will tell you. Instead, they make it sound like once you reach goal you'll be able to add in many of the foods--and calories--you had to deny yourself to get to goal.

It isn't true. My experience, and that of hundreds of other people who post on online diet support boards, has been that at goal you can add back between 200 and 300 calories a day without gaining. Exactly how much has to do with how big you are. If you get down below 150 lbs, it will be 200 calories. That's one 2% Greek Yogurt and a handful of nuts. Or a real-world serving of bacon. Or a piece of whole wheat toast with butter. In short, bubkis.

2. Dieting is easy, maintenance is hard. This is the logical conclusion to be drawn from statement #1 above. Most people can lose weight. Very few keep it off. After more than a decade of reading diet support groups online, I'm convinced that the reason for this is because people pursue weight loss diets that are too stringent to be maintained longterm, partly for psychological reasons and partly because these stringent diets slow their thyroids and down-regulate other hormonal systems in ways that make them more likely to gain weight when they return to normal eating.

3. Feelings of deprivation derail maintenance. If you spend a year losing a lot of weight by denying yourself many foods you secretly hope you will be able to eat again once you hit goal, you are setting yourself up for catastrophic regain.

It isn't about willpower or being a weak person. It's about millions of years of evolution that has one goal--to keep you alive in a world where food is hard to find. The changes that take place in your brain when you diet stringently for a long time will eventually impel you to eat. If your brain thinks you have just survived a famine, it will do what it has to do to replenish your fat stores so you don't die when the next prolonged famine occurs. The most successful diets are diets where you eat enough food to reassure your body you aren't starving.

4. There is no diet immune from maintenance problems, including the Low Carb and Paleo diets. After reading low carb support boards for 12 years I can tell you that people eating these diets crash off them with the same frequency as people on every other kind of diet. The research shows this, too. Lose enough weight on any diet, and your brain will go to work doing what it can to replenish those depleted fat stores.

Low carb diets are easier to maintain for the first year or so, and during that early period people often experience a near-religious conversion which fills them with enthusiasm and the desire to convert others. This passes. Almost all low carb dieters stop losing six months into their diets, except for a very lucky few, and once that dramatic falling off of pounds comes to an end, the enthusiasm is very hard to sustain.

There is some evidence, too, that the body interprets a ketogenic state as being a state of starvation and may downregulate the thyroid in response to it, too. This is why many people with diabetes do a lot better at a carb intake slightly over the ketogenic boundary (70-100 g per day depending on body size) than below it.

And of course, once we get to goal on any diet, there's no reinforcement from seeing the pounds come off. The only reward we get is seeing the weight stay the same, which most of us find is nowhere near as motivating. It is when the scale is no longer giving us a reward that many of us become aware of what we've given up and may find it more difficult to stick with our chosen eating plan.

5. Successful weight maintenance requires vigilance and frequent mini-diets. Those who manage to maintain their weight loss usually do it by setting some very low threshold--no more than 10 lbs and for most of us 5. Once that weight is regained, they go back on their diets--immediately. If you let yourself regain more than ten pounds you may wake up one day weighing what you started out weighing plus more. Telling you're going to do something about your weight gain "later" is the best way to ensure catastrophe.

SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?

1. Diet on a diet you really can eat for the rest of your life. We are all different, so what this turns out to be will vary from person to person, but the signs you have found a diet that you can maintain are these:

• a) You don't dream about eating forbidden foods.
• b) You don't feel resentful when you see other people eating foods that you aren't allowing yourself to eat or feel a need to talk others into eating your diet.
• c) You don't find yourself looking at forbidden foods and thinking, "I'll be able to eat that when I get to goal."
• d) You eat what you eat because you like eating it, not because you have to eat it.

2. If you find the diet you are eating is not meeting these tests, change it. If you are feeling deprived eating a diet that cuts your calories too stringently, boost your calories. You do need to eat less than you burn to lose weight on any diet, including a low carb diet, but you may be happier if you eat 300 calories a day less than you need, rather than 500.

i'm drinking lots of green tea this new year ,as i;m giving the beer a rest
hope its doing me good
tastes nice anyway
anyone else drink it?

I tried it, compromised on a bottle of wine a night instead.