God Damn Dogs!

**The Fresh Prince** · 06-10-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Is she wearing pink because she is a lovely girl?

Yep. It was quite funny really when we saw the plaster on her leg last night because its exactly the same (pink with paw prints) as when she broke her other leg when she was a baby. Only this time the plaster is a lot bigger. I wish I had a pic of her back then.

She didn't let it bother her last time and it looks like she's gonna be the same this time. She just skipped outside on 3 legs and took a pee in the flowers.

**patsycat** · 06-10-2010, 04:57 PM

Good to hear she is getting better by the day. Love the pink cast!!

**aging one** · 06-10-2010, 05:25 PM

I am so happy to read the follow up on the story. FB, you are lucky to have a great dog, but the dog is even luckier to have not only a loving owner, but a smart and very compassionate one as well. My hats off to you.

**The Fresh Prince** · 07-10-2010, 05:09 AM

Cheers all.

Just got back from the 3rd trip to the vets. They have to be late runs because I don't get home till late and we want to stick to the same vet who is on the night shift. It works out kinda well.

Doc was happy with everything, gave her the last anti biotics jab for a few days and removed her needle thing from her arm.

He says we can go to the hospital on Sunday to get checked up and go on the operation waiting list for her leg.

On the second trip they did quite a lot of stuff including plastering the leg and putting saline under her skin + other bits and it came to 2800bt. Tonight it was only 1000bt. So a total of around 10,000bt all in all. He says we don't need to go again. I'm thinking of opening a vets.

So now I'd like to figure out how she escaped in the first place, and work out a solution to prevent it happening again when she gets better.

First point goes to travelmate, yep she does need a bit of training. She grew up in a pack of three that were hard to train as a group but always kept each other in check. They're gone now so training camp it is.

I've got no idea though on the best type of collar.

At the start of the thread I said that i couldn't believe she escaped a choker chain. In actual fact she was wearing a harness similar to LT's dog and then I'd also put the choker round her neck and attached both to the lead. I did this as a back up in case she escaped the harness. Obviously didn't work. I had little faith in the harness.

Here's a few pics of the harness. In the first one you can just about see the choker chain as well.

You can see a bit of chain round the bottom of her neck and then at the back of then neck you can just about see how they are both attached.

And a couple more from different angles.

Her neck hides the chain in those two pics.

I really cant see how she could have slipped out of it. And then when she did, she then slipped a choke chain as well. I thought that was impossible.

In the shop they had ones a bit more like this style but I don't like the plastic clips as I've seen those fail very often.

Any recommendations?

I'm thinking about just going back to a leather collar but I've seen her slip out of those as well.

**Humbert** · 07-10-2010, 06:42 AM

For complete security you need a high fence, kennel or electric fence. Keeping a dog chained all the time eventually gives them a bad temper. Training works well but if she is not in the presence of her master, and temptation overrides her training, she may bolt.

**Travelmate** · 07-10-2010, 08:30 AM

Try one of these. Prong collar, better & safer than the choker chain.
But still need a back up collar.

**The Fresh Prince** · 07-10-2010, 01:38 PM

^That looks plain evil. Is that from the s&m place on soi33?

**Travelmate** · 07-10-2010, 02:47 PM

it looks evil but in practice does less harm than the chain choker.
It is a very effective training tool and your dog will respond to it very well.

**Loy Toy** · 07-10-2010, 07:07 PM

Just got back from up-country and over the moon to see she is making a speedy recovery mate.

Great stuff.

**Humbert** · 07-10-2010, 10:16 PM

Dogs camouflage their infirmities very effectively. Animals that are visibly weak are easy prey in the wild so canines have evolved the ability over thousands of years to look and act reasonably well even when they are not 100%.

**jaywalker** · 12-10-2010, 01:00 AM

Bummer Dude. Straight up big time bummer. Hope she comes out OK & also hope she learns her lesson about chasing cars.

I had 2 golden retrievers die on me over here. Pretty sure it was due to them being exposed to so much chlorine from drinking/playing in the pool. Not fun to lose a best friend.

Crimony this website is slow........I posted the above and 57 other posts loaded on top of it.......Duh.

I guess True ain't as fast as your dogs

**The Fresh Prince** · 12-10-2010, 01:39 AM

Cheers all again.

Quick update.

Weve spent the last 2 days at Chula uni vets and the docs have been great.

The first thing I've noticed about the place is the amount of in bread dogs in this city. It's pretty bad. For the last 2 days I've been sat in the waiting room for chula vets and I've seen all sorts of people from all sorts of life. All with one caring thought on their mind. Their pet.

But so many of them have brought obviously in bred pedigree dogs into the hospital. It's pretty disgusting. Labs with tumors on their faces, cocker spaniels with bone disorders and god knows how many of those little yappy dogs brought in with their jaws growing in the wrong direction.

Apart from her broken leg Ninja, (my dog) looks the picture of health. Shiny coat and a smile on her face.

She's been the only soi dog type dog we've seen but she seems in the best health.

Anyway. They want to operate tomorrow morning on Ninja's leg. Basically its not broken but the knee cap has been shattered (or the equivalent type of cartilage on a dog) her leg has dislocated and is now growing back in the wrong position, as she's recovering.

The doctor explained the percentage chance of survival after the anesthetic, the same as any doctor would with any operation but the way it was translated to me in English has put my guard up.

Her chances are decreased because her lungs still have some blood in them and she might not have the strength for anesthetic.

So right now I'm of the feeling that if her lungs could affect her waking up then I'll take her with 3 legs rather than not have her at all.

If the doc has any problem with her blood work when I get there in the morning then I'll call the operation off and we'll deal with the leg when she's fit.

**stu** · 12-10-2010, 03:44 AM

Just come across this thread and I am glad to see ya dog is doin well TFP they are without doubt mans best friend, in the first shot she looked like a black & tan Kelpie.

There was a few things i was gunna comment on but it looks like the other forum users have pretty much covered it all, as for them "prong collars" they are used for trainin large aggressive powerful breeds and by the looks of your dog she just don't fit that category go with the harness!!

I have had my fair share of heart ache of seein my dog injured over the years and then unfortunately losin her to Mammary carcinoma.

Anyway TFP im sure she will be fine, ya can have a read of the weird and whacky adventures of my Red Kelpie "Red dog" here on my website http://aroundozwithstunshaz.yolasite.com/red-dog.php

**Traxster** · 12-10-2010, 08:40 AM

Ahhh,what I wouldn't do to have a dog again.........
If you get the right one they really are 'Man's best friend'....
and they'll love you to the end ( yours or theirs ! ).
Who was it who said....
'The more I see of people,the more I love my dog ' ??

**BarnacleBill** · 12-10-2010, 09:31 AM

I've been at sea for most of my life and consequently never had a need, nor a desire, for a dog. However, now IO'm retired with lots of time on my hands we have acquired numerous pets; dogs cats, bird and tortoises. The love from the dogs and cat is unbelievable. The look of trust in their eyes and the joy of seeing you again - even if it only after a trip to the bottom of the garden, makes a day worth living!

Little joke I heard recently. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of your car for an hour or two. Then open the boot, and see who is more pleased to see you! That's love!

**The Fresh Prince** · 12-10-2010, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by stu

Anyway TFP im sure she will be fine, ya can have a read of the weird and whacky adventures of my Red Kelpie "Red dog" here on my website

Cheers Stu, I'll have a read of that at lunch.

I just got back from the hospital and they didn't operate on her today. The blood tests showed problems in her liver and kidneys and the doc wasn't happy with her lungs 100%.

I've gotta say that I'm happy about it. They are going to try again in a week and if that's no good they are going to set the leg the best they can without operating. That's fine with me, she was tearing round the waiting room this morning on 3 legs with a huge smile on her face and terrorizing the other dogs.

**Humbert** · 12-10-2010, 01:32 PM

I hope the leg heals up without complications. She's lucky to have a owner who loves her and takes good care of her. We have a lot of dogs in the soi leading into our moobahn. There is one in particular who looks like her hind leg was detached and someone and it was used to play tug of war with then reattached at right angles to its natural position. It hobbles around dragging it's mangled leg but seems to have adapted somehow to it's predicament.

**Travelmate** · 12-10-2010, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by stu

as for them "prong collars" they are used for trainin large aggressive powerful breeds and by the looks of your dog she just don't fit that category go with the harness!!

Please explain...
They are a training tool used for all dogs that come in all shape and sizes.
It is a much better collar than the choke chain collar FP been using.
Furthermore it does no harm to the dog. All it does it create an even pressure all the way round the neck. It does not cause pain like the choke chain.

**The Fresh Prince** · 12-10-2010, 02:27 PM

Has anybody used or have experience with the Martingale collar?

**stu** · 12-10-2010, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Originally Posted by stu

as for them "prong collars" they are used for trainin large aggressive powerful breeds and by the looks of your dog she just don't fit that category go with the harness!!

Please explain...
They are a training tool used for all dogs that come in all shape and sizes.
It is a much better collar than the choke chain collar FP been using.
Furthermore it does no harm to the dog. All it does it create an even pressure all the way round the neck. It does not cause pain like the choke chain.

Yes in a way it was a bad choice of words on my behalf what i should of said is they are used on large dogs with a lot of strength dogs that are hard to pull up and refuse to heal.

The chain you are referring to does however hurt the dog or cause it discomfort dependin on how hard ya pull on it it pinches the skin and this is why the dog pulls back away from it to take off the pressure and pinchin that is what these tyes of collars were designed to do.

With ya standard everyday run of the mill "choker chain" these as ya probably aware can have the same effect if they are fed in through the eyelet ring of the chain the wrong way they will pinch the skin on the neck and will not release properly and lock.

It reminds me a bit of what they use on horses especially stallions that play up the "be nice halter" where it is like a normal halter but has knots or metal rings strategically placed in all the pressure points of a horses head so when they pull back or resist all them pressure points are pushed on causin the horse to stop pullin.

Just like the dog choker and that other nasty bit of mechanics with the spikes in it, i simply wouldn't own a dog that required puttin one of them on it to make it behave would take the fun outta ownin a dog.

Also i must add that just popped into my head is i used a choker collar for only a short time choker chains can and have caused serious injuries to dogs trachea's the two above mentioned should only be used gently, my Kelpie when i was trainin her i used a choker but once she was proficient at healin off lead i never put a chain/ lead or anythin near her again even a leather collar in the near 18 years i had her and she was never tied up.

Dog obedience has changed a fair bit over the years my father was a trainer for a good 10 years and today's methods are a bit different to what they were years ago, it all boils down to how much time, patience and effort you are prepared to invest will be the outcome whether ya have a well behaved well trained dog that does as it is told when it is told or a dog that does what it wants to do and no longer sees you as the alpha male and ya end up with all sorts of problems, anyway im goin off on a tangent im sure ya can see what im gettin at.

**stu** · 12-10-2010, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince

Has anybody used or have experience with the Martingale collar?

No FP but i have seen them.

**The Fresh Prince** · 12-10-2010, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by stu

Also i must add that just popped into my head is i used a choker collar for only a short time choker chains can and have caused serious injuries to dogs trachea's

Yep, I don't like using it for that reason but I don't put it on her to train her. She's walking at my side already so she's never choking her self, and I never have to snap it.

I used this one because I thought it would be the hardest to get out of. The one thing she does do is bolt backwards (ie literally running backwards with her head still pointing at me) and that's when she seems to slip out of everything I've tried so far.

BTW I enjoyed your stories on your site Stu.

**stu** · 12-10-2010, 10:01 PM

Yes unfortunately these things are part of the arsenal for trainin dogs maybe try a smaller choker might help? I hated puttin any sort of chains or leads on my dog but as i said they were not used for long.

I appreciate ya comment regardin my website I love writtin and I loved that dog dearly ya must admit they just don't live long enough do they? think i will buy a Galapagos tortoise that way it will outlive me twice over!!

The little bit i wrote on the site on her trainin is equivalent to runnin her through obedience school pickin up where they start in puppy class onto novice then CD (Companion dog) CDX (Companion dog excellent) UD (Utility dog) UDX, TD (Trackin dog) TDX and a few others i cannot remember, she was also good with stock.

She was a pleasure to work with and could of gone far in obedience.

How old is your dog now FP? looks like he may have a bit of black n tan Kelpie in him? Doberman? definitely has a very kind face and would be a bundle of energy, me and the Missus are lookin for another dog atm Kelpie of course.

**The Fresh Prince** · 12-10-2010, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by stu

How old is your dog now FP?

She'll be 3 in December. She was a dog that me and the wife rescued from a temple in Satahip near to Pattaya. The mix of breeds that she looks like is quite common here. She is what a street dog looks like if they are well cared for.

**DrAndy** · 13-10-2010, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by BarnacleBill

Little joke I heard recently. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of your car for an hour or two. Then open the boot, and see who is more pleased to see you! That's love!

it would depend on whether you are pleased to see her (Mae West)

why would you put your wife in the boot of your car?

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