Thread: Bangkok Will Escape Flooding: Yingluck

They all start from the Main Rangsit Canal and run sort of South / South East from there down towards Min Buri, etc.

It is bloody confusing as they never give enough information to specify exactly where they are talking about.

Any news on Minburi? It's a huge area of lower-middle class housing estates. Haven't heard/seen much in English other than it was getting whacked.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Any news on Minburi? It's a huge area of lower-middle class housing estates. Haven't heard/seen much in English other than it was getting whacked.

Minburi was cited earlier as at risk. Haven't heard much else either. I will look around.

The Baht must be losing some value because of all this?

^ See Thai Baht in finance section...

The problem is that they do not know what is going on and can't make a decision to save their lives. . Action looks better than inaction in Thailand. They are running this show just like someone ordering a bowl of noodles. They can't decide if they want beef, chicken, fish or pork in their noodles. They wander around like a shell without a purpose half the time with brief signs of life like texting or talking about where to eat lunch. We all have seen Thais unable to make decisions from getting on an escalator to driving to ordering food to getting in line to pay only to run back to buy a forgotten item. Have we not? I just figure the elected officials are no different than their constituents.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

They all start from the Main Rangsit Canal and run sort of South / South East from there down towards Min Buri, etc.

It is bloody confusing as they never give enough information to specify exactly where they are talking about.

As far as I know, the early khlongs are already flooded (1,2 and 3++). Khlong 5 isn't flooded yet....and they are building a barrier at Khlong 6 (see earlier report)

Bangkok Post :

Bangkok Post : Evacuation: Flood enters Nava Nakorn industrial zone

Evacuation: Flood enters Nava Nakorn industrial zone

• Published: 17/10/2011 at 05:24 PM
• Online news: Local News

Workers and other people living in Nava Nakorn Industrial Park were ordered to evacuate immediately on Monday, and all operations to shut down, after efforts to prevent the floodwater pouring into the important factory centre failed.


Photos by Weerawong Wongpreedee

Nava Nakorn Plc managing director Nipit Arunvongse na Ayudhya announced that floodwater was flowing into the industrial estate in Pathum Thani's Khlong Luang district through an opening between five and eight metres wide in a north dyke.



The water was being directed into a waste treatment pond, Mr Nipit said.

The government's Flood Relief Operations Centre (FROC) ordered all factories in Nava Nakorn to stop all machinery and that all workers should go immediately to four evacuation centres.

They were told the evacuation centre at Thammasat University's Rangsit campus could take up to 3,000 people and the one at Wat Dhammakaya could hold 5,000.

The third centre in Pathum Thani's Thanyaburi district could take up to 20,000 people. The fourth is the government offices complex at Chaeng Wattana, which could accommodate about 1,000 people.

Two hundred buses of the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority and military vehicles were waiting in front of the site to take the workers to those evacuation centres, the announcement said.



The factory managements, workers and government officials were told they must strictly follow the instructions given by the FROC. The prime concern was the people's safety, the announcement said. It was broadcast live on television this afternoon.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said she felt sorry for flood-hit Nava Nakorn.

"I feel so sorry that water has entered Nava Nakorn because we've been trying to prevent the industrial estate from flooding for quite a while," said Ms Yingluck.

She said the breach in the dyke wall was the result of a combination of factors - with the heavy rain over the weekend and high tide levels adding to the pressure from water runoff surging down river from northern provinces.



Most of the companies in the Nava Nakorn estate are Japanese owned.

Japan's economic minister Masato Otaka said his country was not angry but sad that flood prevention efforts in Nava Nakorn failed.

Mr Otaka was speaking at the Japanese embassy in Bangkok.

"It is certainly sad that the Nava Nakorn could not prevent the floods. Of course, we are also sad for the Thai people who have been suffering from months of floods, but the industrial estates are a very important sector as they support livelihoods of several hundred thousand families," Mr Otaka said in an interview with the Bangkok Post.

Of the 190 companies at Nava Nakorn, 104 were Japanese firms.

"They are doing their best to minimise the damage each day but we cannot even estimate how much their losses are so far. Or even the overall impact to the Japanese private sector, as it's still in the middle of the crisis. It is not yet over," the Japanese minister said.

“We are not angry that the Thai government could not prevent the flood, we are just sad that we could not prevent the industrial estates from being severely affected."

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Gerbil

They all start from the Main Rangsit Canal and run sort of South / South East from there down towards Min Buri, etc.

It is bloody confusing as they never give enough information to specify exactly where they are talking about.

As far as I know, the early khlongs are already flooded (1,2 and 3++). Khlong 5 isn't flooded yet....and they are building a barrier at Khlong 6 (see earlier report)

Bangkok Post :

Yes but which klong area are you talking about?

Bangkok Post : Phracha has full authority

Phracha has full authority

• Published: 17/10/2011 at 10:52 PM
• Online news:

In a live TV discussion, an official from the flood relief operation centre admitted that people were confused about the centre's inconsistency when it issued evacuation warning and rescinded it within an hour last week.

It is now clear that only Pol Gen Pracha Phromnok, the centre's director, has the authority to issue the evacuation warning.

The official praised Pol Gen Pracha for showing leadership in immediately coming out to refute his deputy Plodprasop's false alarm even though it might cause confusion.

The official also said that the centre's work is made harder due to affected communities opposing the plan to divert floods to their areas even though it would help the majority and speed up the waterflow into the sea.

The official also said that Chao Phraya river level is now below its peak, helping propelling water to the sea easier.

Thai-ASEAN News Network

Floods Expected to Completely Subside in 2 Months

UPDATE : 17 October 2011

The agriculture and cooperatives minister believes that it will take about two months for floodwater to completely subside.

Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Theera Wongsamut said the Irrigation Department is now putting great emphasis on diverting the water in western Bangkok, eastern Bangkok and Klong Lat Pho, a shortcut canal, into the sea.


The drainage capacity is 100 million cubic meters per day.

As for another high tide expected to coincide with runoffs from the North at the end of this month, Theera said it will not be too severe as the sea level is not expected to rise.

However, he urged all related agencies to keep the situation under close watch and ensure that embankments and sandbag walls remain strong.

The minister added that it will take around one month or two for floodwater to completely subside since there are as much as ten billion cubic meters of floodwater.

^^^^ And which tambons/villages etc...

I am off to bed. If it floods it floods.

^ Goodnight...

Bangkok Post : Flood refugees relocated

Flood refugees relocated

• Published: 17/10/2011 at 11:06 PM
• Online news:

Due to rising flood in Pathum Thani, the flood relief centre issues an evacuation order for flood victims living in Thammasat University and Wat Thammakaya to relocate to Thanyaburi, Nakhon Nayok.

Earlier, Thammasat University and Wat Thammakaya have erected flood barrier to protect their properties.

Originally Posted by chitown

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Originally Posted by Gerbil

They all start from the Main Rangsit Canal and run sort of South / South East from there down towards Min Buri, etc.

It is bloody confusing as they never give enough information to specify exactly where they are talking about.

As far as I know, the early khlongs are already flooded (1,2 and 3++). Khlong 5 isn't flooded yet....and they are building a barrier at Khlong 6 (see earlier report)

Bangkok Post :

Yes but which klong area are you talking about?

The main road that runs north from Future Park Rangsit (which is already surrounded).

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The main road that runs north from Future Park Rangsit (which is already surrounded).

That is the main artery that links the klongs, which run at right angles across the river at "regular" intervals...

Originally Posted by chitown

Yes but which klong area are you talking about?

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Bangkok Post : Navanakorn totally submerged?

Navanakorn totally submerged?

• Published: 17/10/2011 at 11:26 PM
• Online news:

Pirasak Hin-muangkhao, Pathum Thani governor, disputes government's flood relief operation centre which issued the evacuation warning for Navanakorn and said that the estate was totally submerged.

Mr Pirasak in a live TV broadcast said that Navanakorn has 6,000 rai and only a northern section is breached covering at most 10-15% of the area. The soldiers and factory workers are trying to delay the flow of the flood water. It would take sometime before the largest industrial estate in term of residents will be totally submerged.

In fact, the water in the estate is mostly ankle and knee deep and some factories in the estate are still fighting to keep their assets dry.

The governor expressed regret that Pathum Thani fell to the raging floods area by area. If the residents did not fight and oppose the authorities in trying to divert the waterflow, the damages would not be this extensive. They are mistaken in believing that if other areas are also flooded their areas would be better, which is far from the truth due to too much water from the North and incessant rain.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The Government monkeys are mouthpieces. Clearly you don't understand how government works (anyplace). This guy is trotted out and speaks his lines. I'm not suggesting he's not a retard, he might well be. But he's acting on info fed to him - like Yingluck, like Mark, like Obama, and like the master retard himself Reagan

Edit to say: The difference between Mark, Fat Boy and this PT Minister is the latter is hated by the corrupt bureaucracy who've pinned their hopes on the Dems, the Sakdina and the military to regain their key positions in the trough. Why wouldn't they feed this guy disinformation if it helped to make the PT Government look incompetent?

Regardless whether I understand how government works or not, you have not come up with a shred of evidence backing your claims that Plod is being fed bullshit to make him and the government look incompetent.
So, where is it? Do you have anything other than speculation?

Bangkok Post : Navanakorn 'to be submerged in 2 days'

Navanakorn 'to be submerged in 2 days'

• Published: 18/10/2011 at 12:09 AM
• Online news:

In a live telecast, a water expert academic predicted that water runoff from the north from Ayutthaya will overwhelm Navanakorn in two days.

Then the same mass of water will innundate Thammasat University by October 20. This mass of water will then attack Rangsit University and Muang-Ek housing estate.

Don Mueang airport will be spared as the area is heavily protected.

The flood severity depends on the ability of the authorities to divert the waterflow to the sea as quickly as possible.

It will be all about a drought in a few months time.

Air Force ready to move planes from Don Mueang

Air Force ready to move planes from Don Mueang

The Nation October 18, 2011 1:00 am


The Air Force has mapped out a contingency plan to relocate its aircraft if Don Mueang air base is flooded, spokesman Air Vice Marshal Monthon Satchukorn said yesterday.

Monthon spoke after Nava Nakorn Industrial Estate was flooded, with water spreading to Sai Mai and Rangsit. If Sai Mai in Bangkok is inundated, there is a strong chance the flood will also spread to Don Mueang.

"In case of flood at Don Mueang, Air Force planes would be redeployed at air bases across the country," he said.

The planes to be moved out of Bangkok would include C-130 transport aircraft. In regard to US help with flood relief, he said an advance team of the US Marine Corp arrived on Saturday to survey how it could help flood victims.

Should the Thai government request it, the US was willing to dispatch Sea Hawk helicopters to transport relief supplies, he said.

On the weekend, Premier Yingluck Shinawatra authorised the formation of three centres to coordinate flood relief, he said.

The Foreign Ministry would be in charge of coordinating foreign relief supplies. The Air Force would be responsible for air operations to distribute the relief and rescue flood victims. The Armed Forces headquarters would take charge of relief operations in the Central region.

The Air Force spokesman said the flooding had gone past the point of using helicopters in relief operations.

Remaining flood victims in remote areas did not want to be evacuated and relief supplies could be distributed by boats or vehicles, he said, noting that too many helicopters flying in a limited airspace over the flood waters could be a risk to air traffic.

Blocking water not the answer, says AIT expert

Blocking water not the answer, says AIT expert

THE NATION October 18, 2011 1:01 am


Building concrete or sandbag barriers and using roads as embankment walls are not necessarily the right solutions because outlets are needed for water to drain away, an Asia Institute of Technology researcher said yesterday.

"The water pressure is massive and cannot simply be held back by temporary barriers and sandbag walls, which can collapse at any time, so I propose letting water flow naturally out to estuaries," Suthas Weerasakul said.

He also said the attempt to drain water from the Chao Phraya River through the Chiang Rak Noi canal was not a good idea because the canal was higher than the river.

Suthas also said the National Flood Relief Centre report that the AIT compound was not flooded was incorrect.

The Hi-Tech Industrial Estate in Ayutthaya remains inundated and water levels are expected to rise further. The latest industrial estate to be hit is Navanakorn in Pathum Thani, immediately north of Bangkok. Also facing the risk of flooding are AIT, Thammasat University's Rangsit campus and possibly Don Muang and Sai Mai districts in Bangkok, he said.

Uthen Chartphinyo, chief of a flood-drainage committee, said slums built on the banks of canals and rivers should be removed and the waterworks and electricity authorities should be punished for allowing the dwellers of these homes to use their utilities.

"How can tap water and electricity be legally provided to these slums?" he asked.

"The government must be brave enough to integrate the entire flood-management mechanism and consider dismantling these slums and relocating the occupants to National Housing Authority flats," he said, adding: "But it depends on the government to do it now or after the floods ease."

He was speaking after announcing a plan to drain water from the outskirts of eastern Bangkok via the Phra Ong Choo Chaiyanuchit, Pravet and Samrong canals in Samut Prakan.

Uthen said he would also propose building three drainage stations to keep Bang Phlu Industrial Estate in Samut Prakan dry. "This will prevent eastern Bangkok and Samut Prakan from getting flooded in the future."

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Yuthasak Sasiprapha said the dredging of a canal intended as a short cut of the Tha Chin River in Nakhon Pathom was making good progress and should be completed in time. The Song Khanong Canal along with two others would double the amount water that can be drained, he said.