Thread: Pattaya: Aussie Caught After Diamond Snatch & Run Stunt Fails

What's it going to cost to fly an Aussie lawyer to Thialand, accommodation, flights daily/hourly fee etc ?

One assumes he/she's an expert on Thai law, cos otherwise it's all a bit silly.

Sounds daft to me.

Originally Posted by charifly

our aussie lawyer is flying over saturday

Why? That's just ridiculous.

Guess they need someone there on the ground, not everyone can drop everything and fly over themselves.

mum is organising it all.

if it gets too much for mamma, then ask pappa.

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Originally Posted by taxexile

written by lawyer Drew Noyes.

Who has recently been proven not even to be a lawyer.

Clarification- lawyer is a friend of the brother and family therefore no HUGE payout - and as someone said above, due to circumstances we cannot get on the ground in Thailand ourselves so he has offered to go in our stead. Better to have someone there than no one at all. AND with the info given to me by Babymaker - they will have a RELIABLE Thai lawyer there to help

^ Good Luck..... and give him a slap for bringin this home

i still say bang the moron up for a few months to teach him a lesson, he robbed a jewellery shop for fucks sake, he deserves it.

He nicked a cheap ring off some greedy shopkeeper,
and it's not like he went in there with a saw off shotgun
a sledge hammer and a huge bag to carry away the loot.
A couple of weeks locked up , which is what he's getting, is more than enough punishment.

why was the shopkeeper greedy?

he was selling his stuff, if you dont like the goods or the price you just walk away.
cheap or expensive, its all the same.

whack the little shit hard, otherwise he will be tempted to do it again. zero tolerance. its the only way.

^ The problem with zero tolerance is that you end up with huge injustices like the swiss guy who got 4 years in a dubai jail for opium smuggling when they found 3 poppy seeds from a bread roll on his shirt. Or the americans doing life for simply stealing a slice of pitza under their three stricks laws.

I used to work my summers in my arnt's shops in a place rather laughing called the English Rivera. her shops sold very high margin low value goods; but once you factored in operating costs from those margins; a shoplifting rate of just 3% could push her into bankruptcy. for a jewellery shop the percentage would be much lower, hence the security. Shoplifting is one of those crimes that a lot of people see as a sport more than anything, but you cannot underestimate just how serious it is to the people who operate shops and have their entire future dependent on the commercial success of those shops.

She operated a mediation system much like the thai police do here. if you were caught on the street without paying; you got a choice pay 10 times the value or go to the police.

Most had the money and paid the money; as I said for most people its a sport. By operating this system she would recover about half of the value of the goods that were successfully stolen from her shops each year. This was far more importent to her than any sense of justice from having people convicted in court.

I image the jewellery shop owner is likely to view things in the same way, which is lucky for your brother, although not for your wallet.

Originally Posted by hazz

Or the americans doing life for simply stealing a slice of pitza under their three stricks laws.

Was that an exaggeration? There are inequities in our laws with minor things like drug possession getting more punishment than, say, someone who embezzles millions from a bank or even rapists but the three strikes law you mention is applied to felonies as far as I know and not to misdemeanor thefts.

I remember that case ,
he got 25 , but they let him out after 5.

''..Jerry Dewayne Williams from back in 1995 when he made national headlines for being sentenced to 25 years to life for stealing a slice of pizza from some kids on the local boardwalk. He was then dubbed the Pizza Thief and he was locked up under California’s new three strikes law''
Three Strikes, You’re OUT! … of prison…

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Originally Posted by hazz

Or the americans doing life for simply stealing a slice of pitza under their three stricks laws.

Was that an exaggeration? .

No not an exaggeration. A guy in california did get sentenced to 25 to life for stealing pizza from some kids under the three strikes; he was not charged with anything more serious that could have suggested the use of violence. This kind of thing seems to happen quite regally, although in the worse cases where the accused is able to finance appeals, these do get squashed at the higher courts.

The way that megan's laws has been implemented is appalling, I listened to a guy being interviewed who has had his life ruined with Megan's law simply for urinating against wall at night and not accepting the protecter's plea bargin. Every time he has to move his new neibours assume he's some kind of child rapist, rather than someone who occasionally drinks too much.

Will have proper updates tomorrow - but thanks for the support people. For those whom make the comment of 'he deserves a smack when he gets home' i can assure you he will receive plenty!

^ Good luck...

Originally Posted by hazz

No not an exaggeration.

Yeah, blue provided a link. Crazy world.

Originally Posted by charifly

Will have proper updates tomorrow - but thanks for the support people.

Interested to see how it all works out, Char.

Originally Posted by charifly

Will have proper updates tomorrow - but thanks for the support people. For those whom make the comment of 'he deserves a smack when he gets home' i can assure you he will receive plenty!

I'm sure he will and he should be very grateful you came to his rescue... As one thing you will notice the horror stories have in common are being penniless and not having family backup. Best of luck.

Agent_Smith, there are times when i think the law in thailand is far fairer than it is the states and that is not a complement to thailand. Its when you see how the government is given an inch by things like three strikes and megan's law and then take a mile or two that you see why americans are so paranoid of their own government. Dispite, what one prosecutor has said defending his attempts to have a 12 and 13 year old couple put on the megan's list for life, I don't think that law was created to stop under aged children having sex with each other.

i think the law in thailand is far fairer

there is nothing fair about a system where those able to pay can buy their way out of trouble, whilst those unable to pay are made to serve prison sentences.

laws, whether they are strict or lax, should be applied equally across all classes of society.

4 years for murder.
18 years for writing something on the Internet. Can't get fairer than that.

Originally Posted by charifly

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

Originally Posted by charifly

Its not right that he stole - infact its pretty fucking stupid i'll give you that!!

Sorry it had to be your brother. I'm sure he's even sorrier now.

Anyway, word of advice (if you don't know this already) money talks very loudly in Thailand and sometimes certain crimes (up to manslaughter!) can be mediated with the aggrieved party (the jeweler, with some grease to the certain other authorities) that will shorten or even suspend your brother's sentence. Could pay through the nose but it depends on the local lawyer you hire.

Anyway, good luck.

Thanks dude, ill speak to the family - they had been told about something like this but atleast it reiterates it. From what I know, he was hungry, scared and realised he'd stuffed up royally but what can you do? I'm sure he's pretty scared and realised how much a tool he was - but cmon - its not like he killed someone. Once he gets home im sure he'll pull himself out of his shit and realise the error of his ways. When your in a foreign country, semi-alone, with no food and passport - its pretty easy to understand why he screwed up like this. As i said, its not right, and im pretty sure he wasn't aware he could just walk into the embassy. I know hes been sentanced already but hopefully we can get it reduced. Thanks again mate.

Hey.. luck he done a stupid thing who knows what any of us could do if desperate enough!! but luck at the bright side whatever happens he will learn his lesson and be ok..... think of it this way he could very easly have been shot..!!! you say your family is coming here to sort out things could have been coming to retrive his body!!!

Originally Posted by taxexile

laws, whether they are strict or lax, should be applied equally across all classes of society.

Originally Posted by TizMe

4 years for murder.
18 years for writing something on the Internet. Can't get fairer than that.

Absolutely right, justice in thailand fails miserably, and is particularly harsh on the most vulnerable.

But does the states do much better? Look at the differential treatment of cocain and crack offences. And look at the death penalty; its very rarely given out to people who can afford a competent defence irrespective the underlying offences. Thailand is a backward emerging economy backed full of people who don't know any better, whats the execse use in the US, it markets its self as a first world economy and the home of human rights

Originally Posted by hazz

Agent_Smith, there are times when i think the law in thailand is far fairer than it is the states and that is not a complement to thailand.

There is an excessive moral component to American laws which really screw things up. For Thailand, on the other hand, money trumps almost every offense on the book, except LM probably.

An apples and oranges thing.