Bangkok - Road rage ends in fatal stabbing

**StrontiumDog** · 19-07-2011, 01:32 AM

Road rage ends in fatal stabbing

Road rage ends in fatal stabbing

By The Nation
Published on July 19, 2011

A 63-year-old man became the latest victim of road rage in Bangkok after being fatally stabbed yesterday afternoon. Chaiwat Limpawatcharapong was found dead inside his car on Pracha-Utit road.

He had been stabbed repeatedly in his neck, head, back, the base of his ear, and his stomach. "We had just dropped some monks off at the Phra Ram IX Temple," his son Chatchawas Limpawatcharapong, 31, told police, "Then, my dad got angry when another car suddenly cut in front of ours."

Some aggressive driving followed, ending with a collision between the two vehicles.

"A guy stepped out and despite my protest, my dad got out too. They quarrelled and fought. When my dad came back, he was holding his neck and was bleeding. He lost consciousness a short time later," Chatchawas said.

Police identified the attacker as Kanok Poonnim, 35.

His girlfriend described him as hot-tempered. She said she got out of his car after the stabbing because she did not want to be seen as an accomplice.

Kanok, a middle-level executive at an insurance company, fled the scene but later surrendered to police. "I was driving to work when I felt so angry at the way [Chaiwat] drove. When he got out of his car, he also used very rude words.

"I would like to apologise to the victim's family," he said.

Police charged Kanok with murder before releasing him. He is due to meet investigators at 9am today.

**English Noodles** · 19-07-2011, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Police charged Kanok with murder before releasing him. He is due to meet investigators at 9am today.

What?

**Mad Hatter** · 19-07-2011, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Police charged Kanok with murder before releasing him. He is due to meet investigators at 9am today.

What?

Kanok is clearly innocent until proven guilty. We have the same situation in the UK - suspected murderers / rapists / muggers are free to roam the streets after committing an offence but as yet haven't been proven guilty in a court of law.

Got to respect their human rights don't you know.

**billy the kid** · 19-07-2011, 02:17 AM

the guys a maniac,,
stabbed at least 6 times
3 times above his neck-base
for a bit of road rage
AND they release the guy.

would they let this guy roam afterwards in the uk ???

**dirtydog** · 19-07-2011, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by English Noodles

What?

It's probably not considered a serious murder if he is a light skinned Bangkok person with a good job and the old dead guy is an Isaanite.

**Mid** · 19-07-2011, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Police charged Kanok with murder before releasing him.

Insane .

**Mad Hatter** · 19-07-2011, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by billy the kid

the guys a maniac,,
stabbed at least 6 times
3 times above his neck-base
for a bit of road rage
AND they release the guy.

would they let this guy roam afterwards in the uk ???

Understandable in the circumstances, it is only a 'serious' killing if there are a dozen or more stab wounds. 'Road rage' is actually not a quantifiable offence.

"would they let this guy roam afterwards in the uk ???" - Of course they would - he has his human rights to protect him against unjust imprisonment, and it would be unjust if he hadn't been found guilty in a court of Law.

**English Noodles** · 19-07-2011, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Mad Hatter

We have the same situation in the UK

Someone who is charged with murder in the UK cannot be released by the police or a Magistrate at the Magistrates Court, this is reserved for judges at Crown Court only.

166. Section 114(2) provides that bail may not be granted to someone charged with murder unless the court is of the opinion that there is no significant risk that, if released on bail, that person would commit an offence that would be likely to cause physical or mental injury to another person. Furthermore section 114(3)(a) states that the court in deciding whether there is no such significant risk, must have regard to any relevant considerations as stated in paragraph 9 of Part 1 of Schedule 1 to the Bail Act 1976. Section 114(3)(b) amends paragraph 9 in relation to bail decisions where the alleged offence is imprisonable and triable in the Crown Court. This section provides that, in deciding whether to grant bail in a case where the court is satisfied that there are substantial grounds for believing that the person would commit an offence while on bail, the court must have regard to the risk that such further offending would, or would be likely to, cause physical or mental injury to another person.

167. Section 115 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009, provides that where a person is charged with murder, bail can only be granted by a judge of the Crown Court. The power of the magistrate's court to consider bail in murder cases, whether at first hearing or after a breach of an existing bail condition, is now removed.

168. Where a person charged with murder appears or is brought before a magistrate's court, a bail decision must be made by a judge of the Crown Court as soon as is reasonably practicable, and in any event within 48 hours (excluding public holidays) beginning with the day after the person's appearance in the magistrates' court. If necessary the person must be committed in custody to the Crown Court to enable a bail decision to be made (see s115(4)). It is immaterial (see s 115(5)) whether that person is at the same time sent for trial or being remanded following adjournment of proceedings under section 52 of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998, which requires a defendant charged with an offence only triable in the Crown Court to be sent by the magistrate's court to the Crown Court forthwith.

**DJ Pat** · 19-07-2011, 05:19 PM

The stuff that spoof piss-taking documentaries about Thailand are made of.

You can't make it up, but as someone said, he's a mid level executive and victim was probably low class.

**terry57** · 19-07-2011, 05:26 PM

Its really foked up Innit but bangs home the point of trying very hard not to get involved in conflict with the Thais.

The laws are foked up and you will only loose at the end of the day especially if you die.

Jeez, I really like Thailand but these foking stories do my head in.

**Bettyboo** · 19-07-2011, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

The laws are foked up and you will only loose at the end of the day especially if you die.

You can't argue with that!

A classic, Terry.

**Cruiser** · 19-07-2011, 06:47 PM

I would stick with, When in Rome, do as the....

I once was driving "happily" along the Champs De Elysee (Paris) in my other second hand Alfa Giuletta that was LPG powered back then in mid 70s. In the midst of the madness as with all Parisiennes are in their driving, I was forced to the side in the 4-lane longish road towards the Triomph Du Arc by this idiotic young punk by his inconsiderate swerve into my path and slightly hitting my front right side fender. He honked as well (huh???!!!) while blatantly in front of me and gave me the finger too...

He looked somewhat stalky in his Peugeot cabriolet (some old model then).

Perhaps he did it after seeing its a Dutch registered plate. I figured, blimey, he doesn't plan to stop to look the damage he caused to mine and continued sizzling away past between the other cars... and that got me wondering...heck, that was just a brush only but lets HAVE fun now you jerk!!!

I did my Le Mans cruise and caught up seconds later & rammed his side of his left door (where he sat) and fingered him back and indicated that he pull over IMMEDIATELY...

Nope, he didn't dare, that squirrel instead sped off like he's seen a ghost...hahaaa I was waiting to pelt him when he next step out.
But it was fun driving in Paris though... slight dent to my fenders but nothing to be raged about.... a great bottle of red thereafter at a brasserie melted the mood back again.

**Bangyai** · 19-07-2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"I would like to apologise to the victim's family," he said.

Ah well, thats alright then. Case closed.

**harrybarracuda** · 19-07-2011, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"I would like to apologise to the victim's family," he said.

Ah well, thats alright then. Case closed.

Well remember the guy that ended up with half of a Laotian girl in the front of his Porsche?

As far as I've heard, he went and said sorry to the family and gave them Bt350K.

"I really didn't want the accident to occur," Mr Peerapol told the dead girl's mother, Ulai Borchue, 35, a Lao national, as he gave her a deep wai as a gesture of apology.

Mrs Ulai replied: "I forgive you. Don't worry."

Both broke into tears as they hugged each other.

**Bangyai** · 19-07-2011, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"I would like to apologise to the victim's family," he said.

Ah well, thats alright then. Case closed.

Well remember the guy that ended up with half of a Laotian girl in the front of his Porsche?

As far as I've heard, he went and said sorry to the family and gave them Bt350K.

"I really didn't want the accident to occur," Mr Peerapol told the dead girl's mother, Ulai Borchue, 35, a Lao national, as he gave her a deep wai as a gesture of apology.

Mrs Ulai replied: "I forgive you. Don't worry."

Both broke into tears as they hugged each other.

True, but that was an accident. This blokes charged with murder. Might pan out different for him , as it should.

**Cruiser** · 19-07-2011, 10:39 PM

There is indeed a significant difference between an obvious accidental situation occurring as opposed to one clearly bent to cause grievous bodily harm and murder, deserves no pardon...

Yup, he can now thank himself for his loose-headed ego went astray but still no excuse to hide behind it when asking for leniency from the Judge. A life is lost and some culprit needs to be answerable for all the upcoming consequences anticipated.

Accidents do & can happen, just like accepting Murphy being all around but spiteful and mean coupled with deliberate hatred from a default nature when disrespecting people's right of existence in general.... these are trademarks of a heinous character that needs to be tamed with a long prison sentence to discharge their self centered ego trips.

sabaii sabaii · 19-07-2011, 11:03 PM

The murder charge will be dropped to manslaughter I reckon

**The Tea Man** · 19-07-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

The murder charge will be dropped to manslaughter I reckon

Depends on the wealth and influence of his family and that of the victims family. He could walk way scot free if his Dad's important and rich enough. It was self defence your honour, he was swearing at me, i think he was from Isan, i thought he was gonna kill me!

**robuzo** · 19-07-2011, 11:32 PM

Need photos, need pointing, then can know the vehicle makes, etc. The vic did use bad words, let's not forget there are words one can use with a Thai that almost oblige them to stab you if they happen to be holding a knife.

**Cruiser** · 19-07-2011, 11:36 PM

In any outcome eventually, I hope he gets a fair and justified trial that suits the act which I'd rather see it envelope into one where peopl realize, to chill out is a way to increase harmony instead of creating rash to deadly conduct where no one is better of. He clearly has an issue on "himself" for failing to control and restrain his overreaction & volatile emotions.

This he needs therapy without interference... which he can receive with adequate time served... i.e. if he is truly remorseful & repents deeply.

**ch1ldofthemoon** · 20-07-2011, 12:24 AM

A mate of mine,in the early 80`s,strangled his girlfriend,here in London. He was charged with murder and released on £10k bail.
When the case finally went to court,the charge was dropped to manslaughter and he got 3 years probation....

**Cruiser** · 20-07-2011, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by robuzo

........ let's not forget there are words one can use with a Thai that almost oblige them to stab you if they happen to be holding a knife.

Ahahhhh... time to list a volume of vulgar vocab commonly expressed when a person is enraged... or about to so we can spot the "trouble signs" B4 it flares out of hand... among the Thais of course.

I don't surround myself with guys exercising profanity and vulgarity as a daily meal... but will be good to recognize when heard to stay clear of them & "it".

So, who is/are the experts on Thai's "twisted" lingo, come forward with your list and version.....

**The Fresh Prince** · 20-07-2011, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by robuzo

then can know the vehicle makes

I think that is pretty obvious that the murderer was driving a Fortuner.

**English Noodles** · 20-07-2011, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by terry57

The laws are foked up and you will only loose at the end of the day especially if you die.

You can't argue with that!

A classic, Terry.

Well, you could argue with the spelling of loose[sic] but that's another matter all together, I guess?

**English Noodles** · 20-07-2011, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

The murder charge will be dropped to manslaughter I reckon

No such charge in Thai law.

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