Thread: Thailand : Laotian girl cut in half by speeding Porsche

Originally Posted by thegent

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Expiation of one's guilt limited by payment of financial compensation is not on the menu for any civilised western society in which judicial process and punishment is of more concern.

You've clearly not lived in the USA....

or worked for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, CSFB, ......

...for whom financial settlement for frauds, without admission of guilt, is a regular occurence.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by thegent

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Expiation of one's guilt limited by payment of financial compensation is not on the menu for any civilised western society in which judicial process and punishment is of more concern.

You've clearly not lived in the USA....

or worked for Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers, CSFB, ......

...for whom financial settlement for frauds, without admission of guilt, is a regular occurence.

Not only "without admission of guilt," but contingent upon non-admission.

quite a stretch to compare white collar crime with vehicular homicide .

Originally Posted by Mid

quite a stretch to compare white collar crime with vehicular homicide .

The principle is similar. How about when a guy knifes his ex and her escort to death, spends millions on a legal team to get him off on the criminal charges, then gets taken to the cleaners in civil court?

Originally Posted by Mid

quite a stretch to compare white collar crime with vehicular homicide .

The point was made in relation to this comment about financial compensation - which of course is very much part of the western system. (In fact the higher up the western system you go, the more financially corrupt it becomes).

"Expiation of one's guilt limited by payment of financial compensation is not on the menu for any civilised western society in which judicial process and punishment is of more concern."

Regarding your point, its the old concept of a white collar crime being somehow 'victimless'. And its true, that is the perception. A Barrister in Hong Kong once advised me that if I wanted to commit a crime, then a white collar crime got punished a lot less than a violent crime.

He gave the example of a black yobbo being intelligent enough only to knock someone over the head or rob a house for drug money, and getting caught and jailed - often in short order after he started being a felon (I'm afraid we're not very 'pc')

Speaking personally, i'd feel just as upset and bitter if some con-man took away my life savings than if he hit me with a cosh and took my wallet.

Expiation of one's guilt limited by payment of financial compensation is not on the menu for any civilised western society in which judicial process and punishment is of more concern.

whyever not?

with all levels of western society obsessed with the acquisition of wealth and the wasteful consumerism that goes along with it, and the incomprehensible judicial policies that aim to keep people out of jail, with even murderers and rapists receiving light sentences and burglary offences being punished with community service, the threat of the law is not much of a deterrent to crime, be it violent or be it white collar.

the only way to to really punish offenders these days is to hit them in their pockets, and hit them hard. take away what is most dear to them.

a cushy cell with cable tv, and 10 items on the menu is no deterrent.

the western judicial process and the punishments they deliver have been watered down so much by liberal busybodies who see criminals as victims.

if they wont bring back the rope, then at least strip them of their assets.

Originally Posted by taxexile

whyever not?

Originally Posted by taxexile

the only way to to really punish offenders these days is to hit them in their pockets, and hit them hard. take away what is most dear to them.

because the punishment in your example penalizes the poor more than the rich .

But Mid, if a Thai poor person runs over another Thai poor person, the former seldom gets penalised at all - either in a custodial or financial sense. At least the rich guy driving badly gets some penalty.


So what solution can one propose. Everyone guilty (whether poor or rich) of dangerous driving in Thailand gets locked up? The jails would be overflowing !

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

But Mid, if a Thai poor person runs over another Thai poor person, the former seldom get penalised at all -

Is that really so? Honest question.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

At least the rich guy driving badly gets some penalty.

Mu Ham .

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

So what solution can one propose.

Can't believe I'm answering this , the same justice for all .

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

So what solution can one propose.

Can't believe I'm answering this , the same justice for all .

Ok, so the poor guy with a jalopy also has to pay THB 350,000 to a victim (if that's the determined price of a life)

And if its a jail sentence - lets say 12 months - then the poor drunken guy at Songkran who hits someone with his motorsai and kills them *. He has to do the time too. Have to build another fifty prisons then.

*assuming he hasn't already been killed by someone chucking water over him.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Have to build another fifty prisons then.

quite possibly the poorest excuse I've ever heard for not upholding the law .

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Have to build another fifty prisons then.

quite possibly the poorest excuse I've ever heard for not upholding the law .

Its a reality.

If you want to send people to jail for bad driving, make sure you have enough cells. right now there probably aren't enough.

If you don't have the prisons, then build them. Taxes have to go up of course.




Alternatives - prevention rather than punishment -

more enforcement of speed limits,
more bridges to cross roads,
Enforce pedestrian rights at designated crossing places,
Better maintained sidewalks
Teach pedestrians to be vigilant, eg More school programmes teaching kerb drill and road safety.
More breath tests to tackle drunk driving.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Alternatives - prevention rather than punishment -

almost ,

prevention and punishment for those that fail to learn the prevention message ,

and

the same punishment be you a garbage collector or a captain of industry .

^^ Can't cost too much here to build jails

No TV's, central heating or food to pay for etc etc

Can get away with throwing 8 in a cell too

Originally Posted by Mid

the same punishment be you a garbage collector or a captain of industry .

Does the former go to jail for running someone over ? I don't know.

But i'm pretty sure they don't pay THB 350,000.

I don't see why someone should get well paid just because a rich dude hit their kid, if they weren't getting it if a dump truck hit them.


I'm under the impression that if something awful happens to you in Thailand or say falls on top of you, then you can whistle for compensation. You ain't likely to get it.

thought we were discussing what should be ?

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

I don't see why someone should get well paid just because a rich dude hit their kid, if they weren't getting it if a dump truck hit them.

Moron speaks oxymoronically

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

A Barrister in Hong Kong once advised me that if I wanted to commit a crime, then a white collar crime got punished a lot less than a violent crime.

You needed a barrister to tell you this?

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Can get away with throwing 8 in a cell too

More like 65, but they were built for 25.

Company policy does not let us drive in rural China because of people that will throw themselves in front of cars driven by foreigners in order to collect. It is like winning the lottery. Even better for the family if they are killed.

No way this poor girl deserved to die, but her family is certainly better off that she was killed by a rich kid rather then somebody in 10 years old pickup truck that still isn’t paid for.
TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

but her family is certainly better off that she was killed by a rich kid rather then somebody in 10 years old pickup truck that still isn’t paid for.

and that is a consultation ?

wash your mouth .

Originally Posted by Thaihome

No way this poor girl deserved to die, but her family is certainly better off that she was killed by a rich kid rather then somebody in 10 years old pickup truck that still isn’t paid for.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if a young kid in a 10 year old pick up truck that still isn't paid for hit and killed a rich kid and then drove 10K with the body in the car, dumped it, had it reported stolen and then told the police once they finally knew it was him that he was not going to come in to see them until he had attended the local Mor Lam festival with his mates.

Originally Posted by Sabai Prai

Originally Posted by Thaihome

No way this poor girl deserved to die, but her family is certainly better off that she was killed by a rich kid rather then somebody in 10 years old pickup truck that still isn’t paid for.

Would be interesting to see what would happen if a young kid in a 10 year old pick up truck that still isn't paid for hit and killed a rich kid and then drove 10K with the body in the car, dumped it, had it reported stolen and then told the police once they finally knew it was him that he was not going to come in to see them until he had attended the local Mor Lam festival with his mates.

Why don’t you start and tell what you think would happen?
TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Why don’t you start and tell what you think would happen?

I'm personally of the opinion that they would be held by the authorities somewhere away from their family right now. That's just my opinion of course.