Thread: Eight killed in latest van horror

Originally Posted by hazz

I am sure that on this basis the young lady and her family genuinely believe that its all the van drivers fault and they are being treated very harshly.

Well it might be a good idea for the police to investigate all possibilities so everyone knows exactly who's fault it was and people can be sentenced accordingly. That would be better than a witch hunt which automatically assumes the girl is 100% at fault and guilty simply because some people dislike the fact she is from a rich family. No?

The problem is though, that being from a rich family, the victims family members fear, rightly apparently, that the police investigation might not be very thorough and maybe a little biased.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Thaihome

First time I have heard a Honda civic described as a high powered saloon. TH

Your comment makes you appear somewhat tetchy, but take a look at a Honda Civic Type "R" then at least you've learn't something new and that's got to be good for you!

And the link below will help you read up a little about certain Honda Civics!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_Type_R



Oh..and whatever model she was driving it certainly looks like her Civic had enough power to cause more than the odd superficial scratch to this van?

Your posting on the type “R” is a red herring. She was driving a normal civic, probably with either the 1.8 or 2.0 liter normally tuned engine. Besides, the size or power of her car was not a factor.

It is theorized, based on the CCTV footage, that she at touched the back left corner of the van sending it into a spin, it then struck the concrete railing causing the back hatch to open throwing some of passengers out and over the railing to ground below.

Her car also spun and also hit the concrete railing causing significant damage. She was actually lucky to have survived herself.

My pointing out the hyperbole, name calling, and bias in your postings are not in anyway a defense of the driver. It is possible to have a rational discussion on the issue of certain people potentially using their family’s influences to escape or minimize the consequences of their actions without resorting such tactics.
TH

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Your posting on the type “R” is a red herring. She was driving a normal civic, probably with either the 1.8 or 2.0 liter normally tuned engine

No red herring and no hyperbole / exaggeration or overstatement implied, you posted "First time I have heard a Honda civic described as a high powered saloon" well that's because you didn't know in the first place and you were attempting to score silly childish points by knitpicking (which you often do with other posters) BUT YOU HAVE HEARD OF A HIGH POWERED HONDA CIVIC NOW...YES or NO?

Further to that probably or maybe what model she was driving is pure guess work on your part (as usual) and whether it was normally tuned or super tuned you don't know.

So my question to you is do YOU agree and support any underage, unlicenced , inexperienced young driver driving a 1.8 or 2.0 litre either super tuned or normally tuned vehicle at speed anywhere on a public road?

A simple answer YES or No will suffice.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Your posting on the type “R” is a red herring. She was driving a normal civic, probably with either the 1.8 or 2.0 liter normally tuned engine

No red herring and no hyperbole / exaggeration or overstatement implied, you posted "First time I have heard a Honda civic described as a high powered saloon" well that's because you didn't know in the first place and you were attempting to score silly childish points by knitpicking (which you often do with other posters) BUT YOU HAVE HEARD OF A HIGH POWERED HONDA CIVIC NOW...YES or NO?

Further to that probably or maybe what model she was driving is pure guess work on your part (as usual) and whether it was normally tuned or super tuned you don't know.

So my question to you is do YOU agree and support any underage, unlicenced , inexperienced young driver driving a 1.8 or 2.0 litre either super tuned or normally tuned vehicle at speed anywhere on a public road?

A simple answer YES or No will suffice.

No, I had not heard of the Type R civic, but that would be because they are not readily available in Thailand.

Would you agree your phrase driving a “high powered saloon” was hyperbole?

No, I don’t support a un underage, unlicensed , inexperienced person driving. Why would you think I did?
TH

I honestly don't know why I read this thread. Morbid curiosity, I guess. We all know how it's going to turn out, and have from the beginning. Just a sad commentary on Thailand.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

No, I had not heard of the Type R civic, but that would be because they are not readily available in Thailand.

But they are here in Thailand especially in and around Bangkok where there's people with money who can afford them and more so in Asia because that model was discontinued in Europe because it failed to meet EU emission regulations.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Would you agree your phrase driving a “high powered saloon” was hyperbole?

No and I'll explain why...I've driven a standard 2.0 litre Civic Hatch and they're reasonably quick, not as quick as the "R" version (200 BHP plus, top speed 245 kmph) where as the 2009 2.0 litre standard Civic model is only good to plus 200 kmph, so no I don't consider a 200 kmph plus saloon a hyperbole.

Originally Posted by Thaihome

No, I don’t support a un underage, unlicensed , inexperienced person driving. Why would you think I did?

I didn't but it was good to read an almost succinct answer from you.

^^Probably the truest words on the thread. I think theirs more chance of aldhouse getting the death sentence for murder than this young lady getting anything like the average thai sentence for this crime.

Originally Posted by hazz

^^Probably the truest words on the thread. I think theirs more chance of aldhouse getting the death sentence for murder than this young lady getting anything like the average thai sentence for this crime.

What is the minimum punishment for driving like a c*nt? Because if it involves prison they surely do not have enough cells in Thailand.

Yup, unfortunately they don't seem to learn from others mistakes and this will happen again and again.Look at the amount of accidents with buses and mini buses all over Thailand,one would think the authorities or bus companies would try do something about it! But we all know the answer to that,'just forget the problem and hope it goes away attitude'.

No and I'll explain why...I've driven a standard 2.0 litre Civic Hatch and they're reasonably quick, not as quick as the "R" version (200 BHP plus, top speed 245 kmph) where as the 2009 2.0 litre standard Civic model is only good to plus 200 kmph, so no I don't consider a 200 kmph plus saloon a hyperbole.

well, thank you for those useless facts, jeremy clarksons anorak.

it matters not a jot what car she was driving. any vehicle capable of more than 20kph is capable of causing an accident if there is an inexperienced child at the helm.

Originally Posted by taxexile

well, thank you for those useless facts, jeremy clarksons anorak.

That's ok and you might consider them useless but TH is now wiser for them.

Originally Posted by taxexile

it matters not a jot what car she was driving. any vehicle capable of more than 20kph is capable of causing an accident if there is an inexperienced child at the helm.

The fact that she was driving a "modern high performance family saloon" does matter, because a) she should not have been. b) she wasn't licenced (not that makes much difference here) and c) she was inexperienced.

Before you jump in and post take time to read the prior posts then you might just be able to understand what points the latest posts are attempting to answer or amplify.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

The fact that she was driving a "modern high performance family saloon" does matter,

Absolutely irrelevant what the car was.

Originally Posted by madjbs

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

The fact that she was driving a "modern high performance family saloon" does matter,

Absolutely irrelevant what the car was.

From the point of view that if you give an idiot enough vehicular rope, they'll hang themselves, I'd tend to agree.

But the damage that a motorcycle can do colliding with a minibus at, say, 100kph is likely to be significantly less than the damage an articulated lorry would do at the same speed.

True but everyone knows it was a saloon, the exact type of saloon, size of engine, make etc.. does not matter.

Originally Posted by madjbs

True but everyone knows it was a saloon, the exact type of saloon, size of engine, make etc.. does not matter.

Exactly...and now TH understands that too and whether you believe it or not (I don't care) any young drivers chances of having an accident while driving at speed without proper training, experience or licence is substantially more likely.

As far as a "witch hunt" is concerned, personally I don't think there is one either on here and certainly not on being carried out by the Thai police.

But as several posters have quite rightly pointed out, the chances of anyone being found responsible for their actions here is substantially reduced if you come from a rich family and have poweful connections, it's commonly known as Thai networking!

I did read somewhere that in the UK a 17-22 year old is 10 times more likly to have an accident than a 30 year old. And thats after a somewhat more intensive training than your average underaged thai driver gets.

Lets be honest the witch hunt is all about what she and her family did after the accident rather than the accident its self. For some reason there's a lot of people in thailand who feel that being 'entitled' should not mean that you should be able to kill people and push the blame on to one of your victims; even if the reality of thailand is that you are.

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

The fact that she was driving a "modern high performance family saloon" does matter

any feelings about the colour of her vehicle?

Originally Posted by hazz

Lets be honest the witch hunt is all about what she and her family did after the accident rather than the accident its self. For some reason there's a lot of people in thailand who feel that being 'entitled' should not mean that you should be able to kill people and push the blame on to one of your victims; even if the reality of thailand is that you are.

Exactly...it's a criticism of the system and endemic corruption here.

Originally Posted by brouhaha

any feelings about the colour of her vehicle?

Not that the colour of her vehicle is in the least relevant..no, however as your a virgin TD member here in future I'll do my very best to make my replies as simple as I can just for you!

For a lot of people justice will never be done whatever punishment is given to the people involved, even if it is fair. For the family of those killed that is perfectly understandable, however for people with no connection whatsoever to jump on the bandwagon and join a witch hunt, proposing ridiculous punishments, making threats to the teenage girl and family etc.. only discredits what legitimate argument or concerns they may have about a fair investigation taking place. People should be calling for a proper and fair investigation and trial, not for the girl to be burnt alive at the stake, or discrediting every statement made by the police and the courts.

Originally Posted by madjbs

not for the girl to be burnt alive at the stake,

I missed that post...number please?

Originally Posted by hazz

Lets be honest the witch hunt is all about what she and her family did after the accident rather than the accident its self. ....

Can you be specific about what the family did after the accident that caused the witch hunt?
TH

Ahhh, but the colour does matter at least as much as the make and model do, Khun Bold Retard.

^^try reading the start of the thread, it's covered ad nausium

Originally Posted by Sabai Prai

Where is the little darling now?

That's a good question. Recall that she was supposedly living/attending school in the US and was here on holiday. SO - is she in Thailand or not? Was/is she required to remain in the country?

Anyone know?