Thread: Phuket Manhunt for Expat Killer: Englishman Knifes American to Death

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by klongmaster

How do you ''know for a fact?

I am former SAS and now work in a capacity for SIS (Mi5 and Mi6).

Very good background experience. I'm ex MI7 myself. Towards the end of my career they transferred me over to MI 11. I left when they merged the two into the new MI 7/11. As you probably know 7/11 became a world wide counter intelligence organization under the cover of a convenience store franchise chain. I find them good for money laundering (and occasionally paying my electric bill) I hope that I will not be tracked down and eliminated for disclosing this

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by Mid

Aldhouse, originally from Birmingham, was caught by the UK's new e-borders system that counts people in and out.

e-Borders is to check for immigrants sneaking in and people on watch-lists. It does not show outstanding warrants. Sun talking out of its arse again I suspect.

He turned himself in on arrival and was subsequently arrested as he had warrants.

I don't know if he turned himself in or not. That would certainly be the smart thing to do if he had an outstanding warrant in the UK to begin with.

From what I have read it would seem that when they scan your passport at UK immigration it does check various UK and EU databases for outstanding warrants and such.

I also believe that have they opportunity to check while you are in the air as the passenger list is sent ahead.
TH
What information do UK immigration officers see when they scan a UK passport? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by klongmaster

How do you ''know for a fact?

I am former SAS and now work in a capacity for SIS (Mi5 and Mi6).

Very good background experience. I'm ex MI7 myself. Towards the end of my career they transferred me over to MI 11. I left when they merged the two into the new MI 7/11. As you probably know 7/11 became a world wide counter intelligence organization under the cover of a convenience store franchise chain. I find them good for money laundering (and occasionally paying my electric bill) I hope that I will not be tracked down and eliminated for disclosing this

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by klongmaster

How do you ''know for a fact?

I am former SAS and now work in a capacity for SIS (Mi5 and Mi6).

Oh Fuck!!

That means you have to kill us all now right??

OK. My real name is "Dirty Dog", and I live in the Jomtien area.

I may as well fess straight up to save the suspense.....

Originally Posted by koman

I hope that I will not be tracked down and eliminated for disclosing this

doubtful , but it should garner you plenty of greens

well done Sir

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by Mid

Aldhouse, originally from Birmingham, was caught by the UK's new e-borders system that counts people in and out.

e-Borders is to check for immigrants sneaking in and people on watch-lists. It does not show outstanding warrants. Sun talking out of its arse again I suspect.

He turned himself in on arrival and was subsequently arrested as he had warrants.

I don't know if he turned himself in or not. That would certainly be the smart thing to do if he had an outstanding warrant in the UK to begin with.

From what I have read it would seem that when they scan your passport at UK immigration it does check various UK and EU databases for outstanding warrants and such.

I also believe that have they opportunity to check while you are in the air as the passenger list is sent ahead.
TH
What information do UK immigration officers see when they scan a UK passport? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

That's nonsense as is the answer given in the link you provided.

Yahoo answers is no more reliable than a post on an internet forum.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Originally Posted by klongmaster

How do you ''know for a fact?

I am former SAS and now work in a capacity for SIS (Mi5 and Mi6).

Oh Fuck!!

That means you have to kill us all now right??

OK. My real name is "Dirty Dog", and I live in the Jomtien area.

I may as well fess straight up to save the suspense.....

And you were just a dirty old Hod Carrier

I spoke to the man who took the pictures of Lee Aldhouse that have appeared in all the news reports last night.

He knew him and said this wasn't the first incident of this nature he was involved in. He actually tried to cut someones throat a few years ago and again fled from phuket, not returning for 6 months. The victim survived but with a large number of stitches.....

He told me that Lee Aldhouse is now in Wandsworth jail. He had been released conditionally after serving 3 years of a 5 year sentence, the reason for his re-arrest was that he broke the conditions of that release.

I asked him if he surrendered at the airport, his response was "No, definately not"

News Analysis


Phuket Builds the Case Against 'Kickbox Killer'
Alan Morison and Chutima Sidasathian
Sunday, September 5, 2010


Former US marine DaShawn Longfellow, knifed to death on Phuket
Photo by phuketwan.com/file

GETTING Lee Aldhouse back to Thailand to face a charge that he murdered former US marine DaShawn Longfellow won't be accomplished easily. People on Phuket may think Aldhouse is the killer - proving it is another matter.

Once the 27-year-old kickboxer escaped from Thailand, having him returned to Phuket became a lot harder. Yet being in Britain does not mean he is, as it were, ''home free.''

He is, according to every account we've heard or read so far, an all-round thug, a man who bites the ears of other kickboxers, makes threats to strangers, and beats up women. However, not being a particularly nice man doesn't make him guilty of murder.

Phuket police and officials within the Thai justice system will be working hard to get him back - even though, as one senior Phuket policeman has highlighted, Thailand's part in this crime is, to a certain extent, almost incidental.

A holidaying Briton appears to have killed a holidaying American. The slaying may have taken place on Phuket, but the nationalities of the alleged murderer and his victim now count, in some people's eyes, for a whole lot more.

The extradition process for Aldhouse's retrieval is yet to begin, and it cannot be rushed.

Phuket Provincial Prosecutor Tawan Sukyiran says that reports that the case file has been sent back to local police in the Chalong district of southern Phuket are simply not true.

The prosecutor is waiting, he told us, for the results of forensic tests now being carried out at Police Region 8 Headquarters in Surat Thani. He added that the investigation into the crime is continuing on Phuket.

Police forensic science these days often focuses on DNA, especially in cases of homicide. If Aldhouse's DNA can be found in or near where the killing took place, Longfellow's apartment at Ya Nui Resort 2, it would be an important piece of evidence in pursuing a charge of murder.

Longfellow's Thai girlfriend was in a bedroom at the apartment and emerged when she heard the noise as the men fought. But did she see enough to identify the man who stabbed her friend to death?

Odd as it may seem to onlookers on Phuket, the trail of evidence so far may not be sufficient at this stage to convict Aldhouse, or even to persuade British authorities that he should be extradited. Circumstances surrounding the predawn stabbing on August 14 could even be twisted to his advantage.

Judging from the security camera footage posted on Youtube by Phuketwan and subsequently screened on CNN, Fox News and Sky, two knives were picked up off the floor of the local 7-Eleven store by a man who looks a lot like Aldhouse. But this is not damning evidence.

Perhaps most significantly, the fact that Aldhouse and Longfellow had already fought earlier in the morning, at the Freedom Bar in Rawai, not far from Chalong, could account for Aldhouse's DNA being found on Longfellow's skin or clothing. Even a palm print on the handle of a knife may not be enough to convict Aldhouse, especially if he chooses to plead innocence.

Is there a knife that holds traces of the DNA of both men? That may be what the forensic team in Surat Thani is trying to establish.

Connecting one or both the 7-Eleven knives to the death scene, though, combined with identifying Aldhouse as the person in the security camera footage, may be evidence enough for an extradition, if not for a conviction.

Add evidence from witnesses at the Freedom Bar that Aldhouse said, after losing the fight, that he planned to kill Longfellow, and the case against Aldhouse almost has sufficient momentum for a successful extradition.

Khun Tawan and his prosecuting team know that they will need to have a strong prima facie submission before British authorities allow Aldhouse to be returned to Thailand. If the evidence remains circumstantial, it will need to be very strong.

This is why rigor is being applied to the compilation of the case document - Thailand is likely to have just one chance at pleading for Aldhouse to be returned. And a prosecutor's task is to achieve justice, not settle scores.

If Aldhouse confesses to the crime, he could be back in Thailand swiftly. But as the prime suspect in the murder, his attempt to flee the country and the region seems to make a sudden confession most unlikely.

When the application for extradition reaches a British court, as it undoubtedly will, Aldhouse or his lawyer will almost certainly raise the issue of whether a British citizen should be sent to face trial in a country that still upholds capital punishment.

At that point, counsel representing Thailand's Attorney General is bound to say that the death penalty in this type of murder in Thailand is an improbable outcome. Executions in Thailand are rare. Crimes of passion usually do not bring the maximum penalty.

What could yet make this case exceptional is the potential for US authorities to support an extradition plea by Thailand. Longfellow is, after all, an American war veteran, a man wounded in battle while serving his country. His mother, his fellow Marines, his friends, all want justice.

The US Embassy has yet to respond to a request from Phuketwan for an outline as to what could happen, in theory, in a case where an American became a murder victim and the extradition of the prime suspect to a third country was required.

We think we know the answer, and we think that, although no official response has been forthcoming, the answer is that US authorities would feel compelled to seek justice.

For the US Attorney General to support to an application for an extradition to Thailand would make for a powerful message to a British court. The weight of evidence, though, is what would ultimately guide any fair decision.

Thailand's and Phuket's part in this case is, as the island police colonel has noted, much about providing the background topography. Yet Thailand is also now obliged to play the lead role in seeking justice.

Standing as we did just days ago at a morgue on Phuket, watching DaShawn Longfellow's body being lifted gently by Thais and placed in a coffin to be sent home from his holiday, it was impossible not to dream that somehow, sometime, justice will be done.

phuketwan.com

Originally Posted by Bobcock

I asked him if he surrendered at the airport, his response was "No, definately not"

I know for a fact he surrendered himself. A far better source than a photographer but unfortunately I cannot name that source here.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

the reason for his re-arrest was that he broke the conditions of that release.

That is correct but that was only ascertained when Aldhouse presented himself to the authorities at the airport.

Originally Posted by Mid

At that point, counsel representing Thailand's Attorney General is bound to say that the death penalty in this type of murder in Thailand is an improbable outcome.

Not sufficient. As long as the possibility exists, then he will not be extradited.

There will need to be something more concrete than that I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

A far better source than a photographer

Who said he was a photographer? I just said he took those pics.

I have hundreds of pics on this website, but I am not a photographer.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

but unfortunately I cannot name that source here.

Zero credibility then....

If there is any truth to him cutting someones throat, then that is a case the thai's should be following up. If that case was good enough for extradition and assuming attempted murder is a non capital offence they can at leased get him in jail for a longish time. During which they might be able to get their shit together enough to deal sensibly with abolitionist countries and get permission to put him on trial for the murder.

Originally Posted by Nostradamus

I know for a fact he surrendered himself. A far better source than a photographer but unfortunately I cannot name that source here.

you're making yourself look more stupid every time you come out with this crap...if you know so much but can't identify the source, you're better to keep quiet about it...

Originally Posted by Mid

it was impossible not to dream that somehow, sometime, justice will be done.

Justice and law often at odds. Crime with potential punishment of death committed in Thailand. Suspect in UK where no extradition to countries with capital punishment permitted.

As is often the case law will prevail over "justice".

Originally Posted by hazz

If there is any truth to him cutting someones throat, then that is a case the thai's should be following up. If that case was good enough for extradition

I doubt the case was investigated fully enough for the police to have gathered enough credible evidence for an extradition request.

^Like I already said it took them over 2 hours to get to the scene, wont be that interested in 2 farangs

Originally Posted by FarangRed

^Like I already said it took them over 2 hours to get to the scene, wont be that interested in 2 farangs

I'm talking about the alleged incident of Aldhouse cutting the throat of another person. Do you know any information about that?

He knew him and said this wasn't the first incident of this nature he was involved in. He actually tried to cut someones throat a few years ago and again fled from phuket, not returning for 6 months. The victim survived but with a large number of stitches.....

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by hazz

If there is any truth to him cutting someones throat, then that is a case the thai's should be following up. If that case was good enough for extradition

I doubt the case was investigated fully enough for the police to have gathered enough credible evidence for an extradition request.

If the guy whose throat was cut; identified Aldhouse as his attacker, that might be enough for an extradition. Aldhouse would have to come up with a reason for this guy being an unreliable witness. Though its pointless speculation.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Zero credibility then....

Originally Posted by klongmaster

you're making yourself look more stupid every time you come out with this crap...if you know so much but can't identify the source, you're better to keep quiet about it...

I'm merely informing the posters here of what actually happened in that he handed himself over to the UK authorities on arrival at Heathrow and setting the record straight that he was not arrested because his name appeared on some computer screen when his passport was scanned and alarm bells started ringing.

You can choose to believe me or not, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

the original source of my information was somebody who works at Wandsworth jail and has apparently been involved in processing him.

He says he did not hand himself in.