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    Chalerm warns of violent protest if polls not called soon
    October 31, 2010



    Senior Pheu Thai politicians yesterday warned the government that unless a general election was called soon and power returned to the voters, the country might witness a "violent protest".

    Chief Pheu Thai MP Chalerm Yoobamrung said during a meeting of party MPs from the northeast in Chiang Mai that he believed the Abhisit Vejjajiva administration was preparing for an election, judging by the promotions of senior police officers nationwide.

    "Although the government has got a lot of support from many elements, they are unable to please the grass-roots people. The country is not at peace now because the Democrat Party is trying to repeat the previous mistakes and putting pressure on the people. If the government fails to return power to the people, a new round of protests could become violent if people express their discontent," he said.

    Chalerm said the party was ready to tell the electorate that ousted and fugitive former premier Thaksin Shinawatra will return if Pheu Thai wins the next election. He added that the tables will be turned against the government if the World Court accepts the cases of nine deaths at Wat Pathum Wanaram on May 19.

    He said that would in effect make the current government leaders unable to travel abroad freely as they would be wanted by the world court.

    The veteran politician said double standards in Thai politics continued "repeatedly" and more and more people now recognise that this government wasn't "truly elected by the people" while whatever Thaksin or red shirts do is regarded as wrong.

    Chalerm said Pheu Thai would win 135 seats in the 17 northeastern provinces if elections were held now and urged former premiers Chavalit Yongchaiyudh and Somchai Wongsawat to steer the party forward.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, who is the leader of the ruling Democrat Party, has said there "will definitely be" a general election next year and that he will not stay on until his term is completed in early 2012.

    At the same meeting, Chavalit told the MPs that a democratic change was needed to solve the current political problems. He said the four committees appointed by the prime minister would fail to achieve results within the three years mandated by the administration.

    Chavalit said yesterday that the party would continue to gain support from the people because Thaksin "cares for the poor".

    "The situation is close to election time. We must prepare many things. The party is already making a move ... It's noted that our opponents accuse Pheu Thai Party of being disloyal to the throne and the severity of the allegation has intensified, as many big men have begun talking about it.

    Also there's the thing about [the allegation of being] terrorists," Chavalit said.

    "Today, many brothers and sisters who demanded democracy are still in jail and feel very uncomfortable. Today, the DSI [Department of Special Investigation] or the security organs have already given the OK sign but they haven't been granted bail. I see this as the worst violations of rights and liberty," he said.

    Chavalit added that the anti-monarchist allegation was unfounded as the party is made up of former prime ministers, including three former Army chiefs, who have sworn oaths of allegiance to the throne.

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    Ahhh, Mr "Untouchable" is back....threatening violence for a change....

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    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...peace-in-place

    PM: Election when peace in place
    • Published: 31/10/2010 at 11:02 AM
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    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said in his “Confidence in Thailand with PM Abhisit” weekly programme on Channel 11 on Sunday morning that the general election will take place only after peace is in place.

    Mr Abhisit did not say whether the fresh election is to be held early or late next year.

    “It depends of the political situation. If the country does have peace and order, all political parties reach agreements on election rules and anti-government groups stop movement, the election will definitely take place”, he said.
    "Slavery is the daughter of darkness; an ignorant people is the blind instrument of its own destruction; ambition and intrigue take advantage of the credulity and inexperience of men who have no political, economic or civil knowledge. They mistake pure illusion for reality, license for freedom, treason for patriotism, vengeance for justice."-Simón Bolívar

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    So Abhisit says an election when it is peaceful....Chalerm says violence if no election.....

    I see a strange connection here...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog
    anti-government groups stop movement
    so an election without an opposition

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    I guess Abhisit doesnt realize its not up to him when to call an election.

    Sounds like he wants out. But he has been put in such a position as the mouthpiece of the elite ruling class that if he bails out on them by calling an early election that they cant win, it would effectively be changing sides.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Abhisit get assassinated if he dumps on his minders. Of course it would be branded a red plot and so elections would have to be postponed indefinitely until the violence settled down.

    Abhisit has a choice of being remembered in history as either a dictator or a martyr. I reckon he will choose life and stop talking like he actually cares about the people, democracy and the future of the country.

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    need a poll on november court ruling if democrats will be disolved
    1. maybe april gathering more evidence
    2. maybe july democrats legal team appeals on how evidence gathered.
    3. Twelth of never

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    http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1036805

    PM: National Security Key to Setting Election Date


    UPDATE : 2 November 2010

    The prime minister has reiterated his intention to dissolve the House and call for a new election some time next year, but that the coalition government may serve its full term if political instability continues.

    Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has reaffirmed his intention to dissolve the House and call for a new election next year. However, he also said that it will depend on the security status of the country.

    The premier said that once the violence has subsided, a new election will be scheduled. On the other hand, if some groups continue to create unrest in the country, the government has no choice but to stay in power to keep security until the end of its term.


    When asked whether the imminent Cabinet reshuffle will take place before or after the court has ruled in the Democrat Party's dissolution case, the prime minister responded by saying that he cannot predict what the verdict will be.

    Regarding former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban, who resigned to run in a by-election in Surat Thani province, Abhisit did not say whether Suthep will return as a deputy prime minister after having won the by-election.

    Suthep was in charge of national security affairs before resigning in early October to qualify as a candidate for a by-election in Surat Thani province.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StrontiumDog View Post
    So Abhisit says an election when it is peaceful....Chalerm says violence if no election.....

    I see a strange connection here...!
    Imagining that they're both on the payroll, yes?

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    ^ Ha! Now, what a fine conspiracy that would make!!!

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    they don't need a new election, why reward the red monkeys when all they can do is throw shit if they don't get what they want

    spoiled little terrorists,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    they don't need a new election, why reward the red monkeys when all they can do is throw shit if they don't get what they want

    spoiled little terrorists,
    Terrorists. A very fine line of difference.

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    Yellows conduct a prolonged political protest involving illegal activities and they get a military coup to overthrow a democratically elected government. The Reds conduct a prolonged political protest involving illegal activities and they get shot and locked up.

    Not hard to see how the political deck is stacked and by who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    they don't need a new election, why reward the red monkeys when all they can do is throw shit if they don't get what they want

    spoiled little terrorists,
    Yea. Bugger that democracy thing hey Butters. It aint fair! The people with the most votes always win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    The Reds conduct a prolonged political protest involving illegal activities and they get shot and locked up.

    Not hard to see how the political deck is stacked and by who.
    actually another political coup was in the making, but the army probably thought that 2 coup in a row in less than 2 years was a bit too much, even for Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Yea. Bugger that democracy thing hey Butters. It aint fair! The people with the most votes always win.
    you do realize that democracy is not about votes, redtard, it's about distribution of power, and the voting public is as much a risk for democracy as a biased judicial system or an authoritarian government

    get an education on that topic, will you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    The Reds conduct a prolonged political protest involving illegal activities and they get shot and locked up.

    Not hard to see how the political deck is stacked and by who.
    actually another political coup was in the making, but the army probably thought that 2 coup in a row in less than 2 years was a bit too much, even for Thailand
    Two in a row is probably one too much. Better to just shoot em rather than put it to an election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Yea. Bugger that democracy thing hey Butters. It aint fair! The people with the most votes always win.
    you do realize that democracy is not about votes, redtard, it's about distribution of power, and the voting public is as much a risk for democracy as a biased judicial system or an authoritarian government

    get an education on that topic, will you ?
    Sorry. I always thought the voters got to say who governed. I didnt realize it dont work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Sorry. I always thought the voters got to say who governed. I didnt realize it dont work that way.
    In the Parliamentary system that Thailand and many other countries’ uses the voters elect Members of Parliament and they decide who governs.

    Have you heard a single voter in Thailand complain that they don’t agree with who their elected representative voted for to govern?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Sorry. I always thought the voters got to say who governed. I didnt realize it dont work that way.
    there seems to be many things you don't realize, from your misconception in politics to economics

    the voters only got to choose a leader, not how he governs. If that leader was to be a threat to Democracy or existing institutions, then existing institutions are in place to stop that leader from governing. Some countries are better equipped than others. Here in Thailand, it's the army, because nobody follows the laws or respect the existing laws here, they don't understand the value of the law and what it means for them, they only understand the big guns. Quite sad, but not unique for most third world countries.

    Again Democracy is about sharing power, not the concentration of power in one hand or the other. The public is probably the weakest link for the maintenance of Democracy, we have a tendency to elect dictators and authoritarians, and those leaders know it, hence they keep trying, and we keep falling for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Better to just shoot em rather than put it to an election.
    in this particular instance, it was fully justified, they were dealing with thugs

    the side effect is that it re-establish some kind of "power" credibility to the army

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda
    Sorry. I always thought the voters got to say who governed. I didnt realize it dont work that way.
    there seems to be many things you don't realize, from your misconception in politics to economics

    the voters only got to choose a leader, not how he governs. If that leader was to be a threat to Democracy or existing institutions, then existing institutions are in place to stop that leader from governing. Some countries are better equipped than others. Here in Thailand, it's the army, because nobody follows the laws or respect the existing laws here, they don't understand the value of the law and what it means for them, they only understand the big guns. Quite sad, but not unique for most third world countries.

    Again Democracy is about sharing power, not the concentration of power in one hand or the other. The public is probably the weakest link for the maintenance of Democracy, we have a tendency to elect dictators and authoritarians, and those leaders know it, hence they keep trying, and we keep falling for it.
    Spin it any way you like. The bottom line is that voters elect the government in a democracy. And the Reds have the numbers in Thailand.

    Democratic checks and balances do not include military coups every couple or few years and politically biased judicial decisions to disadvantage political opponents.

    Thailand politically as it stands now is nothing more than a pseudo-democracy.
    Trusting a corrupt military with the job of policing the politicans, as you suggest is appropriate in Thailand, is simply a military dictatorship by proxy. Hence the reason Thailand is stuck in a endless loop of elections and military coups to overthrow the peoples democratically elected governments.

    Re your self-proclaimed superiority on political and economic matters there Butters, I should bring to your attention a quote from your post included above.
    "the voters only got to choose a leader"
    That isn't quite true. Thailand does not have a presidential system. The PM is elected by Parliament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    .... Hence the reason Thailand is stuck in a endless loop of elections and military coups to overthrow the peoples democratically elected governments.
    Off the top of my head I can't think of a single coup that overthrew an elected government. Even Thaksin was a caretaker PM without a sitting Parliament at the time.

    Help me out here and show me your not just spouting propaganda and list an endless loop of the military overthrowing elected governments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    The PM is elected by Parliament.

    Hence your reluctance to answer my post on the subject.
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    [quote=Thaihome;1595156]
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    The PM is elected by Parliament.

    Hence your reluctance to answer my post on the subject.
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    Nothing to answer there. Seems like you are intent on arguing with someone who agrees with you. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaihome View Post
    Off the top of my head I can't think of a single coup that overthrew an elected government. Even Thaksin was a caretaker PM without a sitting Parliament at the time.
    So he was still the Prime Minister of the elected government at the time. The only reason why Parliament was not sitting was that he dissolved Parliament to make way for an election. At least he had the balls to call an election.

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