Thread: Kirsty Jones's killer got away with it!

Originally Posted by setaputra

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Yeah, but not the UK press.All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.

The sad fact is that they feel there is no mileage in it for them.

The UK police are being very tactful and careful in what they say. By being diplomatic they are keeping the Thais on side. Their private thoughts are probably very different.

You don't get cooperation from Thais if you shout or become angry. Telling home truths does not work.

That's why they invented this 'culture', means you give up and go away.

Sometimes embarrasing them into action is the best way, but if your gamble doesn't work it's game over as they sit there blaming you.

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Originally Posted by setaputra

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Yeah, but not the UK press.All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.

The sad fact is that they feel there is no mileage in it for them.

The UK police are being very tactful and careful in what they say. By being diplomatic they are keeping the Thais on side. Their private thoughts are probably very different.

You don't get cooperation from Thais if you shout or become angry. Telling home truths does not work.

That's why they invented this 'culture', means you give up and go away.

Sometimes embarrasing them into action is the best way, but if your gamble doesn't work it's game over as they sit there blaming you.

I agree, Bobcock. It's interesting that Dyfed police are playing this the Thai way by praising what they've done right (however little) and not commenting on the mistakes or obvious cover up. That tactic may work with Thais. Embarrassing them - which Dyfed are advisedly not doing - certainly won't.

I'm from Bridgend. How long you been here?

On and off 23 years..... first worked here in 1990, first visited in 1987.

Been in this job for 8+ years, close to 11 if you count the time I was seconded to this company but I left for 16 months when the only position they would offer me meant living in the Pattaya area which I won't do.

I'm from Cardiff......

Always amusing to read of Welsh folk assuming some moral superiority in relation to Thailand. " Crikey, sospanbach, I'd never go to Pattaya, would I. You never know what'd happen, man, would you. Christ, they'd want to play me with me bits boyo and what'd my Ma think of that? "

Substitute London for Pattaya and one could hear that whingeing, whining Welsh moaning almost any day from those dreadfully stunted valley dwellers drenched in their mean minded parochial culture of fear, envy and self loathing.

Originally Posted by thegent

Always amusing to read of Welsh folk assuming some moral superiority in relation to Thailand.

We do not lay claim to superiority over the whole of Pattaya. We are, however, superior to you as you are just an overblown windbag who uses fifty words when three will suffice. I will not fall into the trap of retaliating by being verbose so, " go and pee up your leg and play with the steam, you old buffer ! ".

Originally Posted by Bobcock

the only position they would offer me meant living in the Pattaya area which I won't do.

I'm from Cardiff......

no comparison for fun

This part was quite descriptive :

Originally Posted by thegent

dreadfully stunted valley dwellers drenched in their mean minded parochial culture of fear, envy and self loathing.

Originally Posted by thegent

Always amusing to read of Welsh folk assuming some moral superiority in relation to Thailand. " Crikey, sospanbach, I'd never go to Pattaya, would I. You never know what'd happen, man, would you. Christ, they'd want to play me with me bits boyo and what'd my Ma think of that? "

Substitute London for Pattaya and one could hear that whingeing, whining Welsh moaning almost any day from those dreadfully stunted valley dwellers drenched in their mean minded parochial culture of fear, envy and self loathing.

You really are loathable twat sometimes...... but carry on, I'm far to busy to pull that shite apart you bowler hat wearing orange gimp.

I rather think you meant to write " loathsome ", boyo.

It's a cross between loathsome and loveable?

Chief suspect is employed by Maharaj Hospital and University Chiangmai.

^Source?

Dyfed-Powys Police said it and the Foreign Office had asked Thai authorities to investigate the claims made on YouTube by an Australian who used to live in Thailand.
In the internet video, he states the professor and another Thai man were seen lurking outside the Aree Guest House in Chiang Mai where Kirsty was staying at the time of her murder.
The other man, a Thai tourist police officer, has already been ruled out by a DNA test.


Read more: Eleven years on: University lecturer named as suspect in backpacker Kirsty Jones murder | Mail Online
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Breakthrough in Kirsty murder case
by RAY CLANCY and ANDREA DRUMMOND, Mail on Sunday

British detectives have identified the man who raped and murdered Welsh backpacker Kirsty Jones in a Thai youth hostel.
Two senior officers from Dyfed Powys police made the remarkable breakthrough by matching the DNA found on the sarong used to strangle her with a Thai suspect. An arrest could even be made later this week - to the relief of Kirsty's parents, Glyn and Sue Jones, who have been distraught that no one has been brought to justice for the death of their 23-year-old daughter 16 months ago.
Armed with the scientific evidence, Superintendent Steve Wilkins and Detective Inspector Steve Hughson will travel to Bangkok tomorrow to meet with the Royal Thai Police detectives who drafted them in last year in a bid to track down the killer.
Senior police sources have told The Mail on Sunday that forensic scientists in Wales carried out DNA tests on evidence taken from Kirsty's room in the Aree guest house in Chiang Mai, northern Thailand, where she was found dead in August 2000.
Traces of the killer's semen and skin cells were found on the sarong that was used to strangle the university graduate from Tredomen, South Wales. 'Thanks to some very complex scientific tests we have a result that is positive. We have got the breakthrough that is needed in seeking the killer of Kirsty Jones,' said a source. 'We are taking that evidence out to Thailand where it will hopefully give the police the identity of the person responsible and lead to an arrest. 'This development can only be good for Kirsty's family who have had to wait a long time for this.'


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Originally Posted by ENT

who have been distraught that no one has been brought to justice for the death of their 23-year-old daughter 16 months ago.

Shouldnt that read 13 years ago?

This is surely recycled news. The university guy is apparently a relative of a serving police officer. The Dyfed tests have identified a trace which is directly linked to the DNA of the killer. That killer is as yet not identifed, as far as I am aware but comparisons with a sample taken from whoever, presumably said university lecturer may yield a positive match.

The thing is, I thought tha this chap together with the police involved had their DNA matched to existing samples which subsequently proved negative.

The only person reliable enough to give an up to date commentary is Andrew Drummond but of course he no longer posts here.

Originally Posted by thegent

The only person reliable enough to give an up to date commentary is Andrew Drummond

Breakthrough in Kirsty murder case

by RAY CLANCY and ANDREA DRUMMOND



Did he go all Bradley Manning on us?

I doubt he leaked anything from a Teakdoor or Thaivisa or Subzerosiam source. He had and retains some extremely good sources.

Originally Posted by pickel

and ANDREA DRUMMOND

the pattaya times will be running a headline next week using this as evidence that drummond has had a sex change

Chief Insp Steve Hughson, of Dyfed-Powys Police, said: "There are witnesses back in the UK and we feel, and the Thais feel, there might be some merit in speaking to them now. In order to do that, on the Thais' behalf, we need a letter of request, an official document."

Royal Thai Police are understood to have written to the Thai attorney-general months ago asking that British police be allowed to question witnesses, but permission has yet to be granted. Police want to question "two or three" Britons. But Mr Hughson said that, without official permission from the Thai authorities to question them, any evidence might not be deemed valid in a court case.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1526...-red-tape.html

Seems that a "hi-so" is the killer, as it's extremely unlikely that anyone of lesser status could slow the enquiry down as much as it has been.

Families who have never lived here do not comprehend impunity.

I have been watching this from afar, my original post is page 11 #258. I have been turfed off THAI VISA twice and had Kirstys cause barred there because I posted a link to my !#^*&%? videos. I wont be doing that here. Here is my take on what I have seen here.
From Begbie #25

ThaiVisa has barred discussion relating to the Kirsty Jones murder case.
Quote from the TV moderator

Quote: Sorry guys & gals, I am now closing this thread. We walk on extremely thin ice when discussion of KJ or Tony takes place. There are too many VIP invested interested interests and such discussion can be extremely bad for the health, even for Thai Visa.

For Begbie
Begbie #235

Who is this mysterious Australian that's had a miraculous recovery from a coma after 11 years ?

Not been in a coma at all, I went to the Pommy embassy around way back October 2004. This is how useless those idiots are. I was interviewed by a top cop, a top official and a Secretary took notes. After telling them all about the Professor as in #258 the idiots went all the way to Ch. mai to ask Tony for a DNA test. They were to frigging british to concur with me while up there, to make sure they had my story correct, it should have been all over for the professor back in 04.


#236 thegent (I could not have said this one any better myself!)

Of course, if we had decent diplomatic representation supported by an FCO not riddled by ineffectual poofs and other moral inadequates the investigation might have proceeded to a successful conclusion by now. As it is, a succession of careerist, shiney arsed minions queuing up to suck chickenhead cock has got us nowhere.


From #253 Mid
Thai police investigating the murder of Kirsty Jones will have to seek a warrant to forcefully carry out a DNA test on a Thai lecturer.

He refused Dyfed Powys Police's request to give a sample voluntarily, after being approached by Thailand's Department of Special Investigation.

Drummond wrote a piece on his site that said more or less that the lecturer gave a sample knowing that the 'authorities, DSI, whoever' would bungle the test in favor of the professor. Drummond has since yanked the piece after the welsh police went home empty handed, besides it said to much about the 'authorities' actions that might be detrimental to drummonds health Not surprising the welsh police make a big fanfare when they head off to thailand but say nothing when they go home with their tale between their legs. It seems the professor has won the day by point blankly refusing to be tested.

From #279 Little Chuchok

Why doesn't somebody name the man in the UK Press

#281 Little Chuchok

Yeah, but not the UK press. All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.

And from #282 DrB0b

Quote: Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
Yeah, but not the UK press.All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.

He did give a DNA sample eventually. Several years later it's still being "investigated". The results should be available any century now. The case is being investigated by the UK police despite the best efforts of the Thai cops to hinder them. UK law is pretty stern when it comes to naming suspects before charges have been laid, doing so could mean the entire case being thrown out of court. Better safe than sorry. I believe Andrew Drummond put a lot of time into investigating this case, you could ask him what his reasons were, as a journalist, for not naming names.

And again #284 Little Chuchok

But the case will not be heard in the UK.

Or why can't a UK politician name names under privilege?...or will that fcuk up the investigation?

And it looks like the investigation will go nowhere....

Also #301 Bobcock

Quote: Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
Yeah, but not the UK press.All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.

The sad fact is that they feel there is no mileage in it for them.

The UK police are being very tactful and careful in what they say. By being diplomatic they are keeping the Thais on side. Their private thoughts are probably very different.

You don't get cooperation from Thais if you shout or become angry. Telling home truths does not work.

That's why they invented this 'culture', means you give up and go away.

Sometimes embarrasing them into action is the best way, but if your gamble doesn't work it's game over as they sit there blaming you.

Now my take for these, #279 #281 #282 #284 #301
I figure it is all about 'balance of trade deficit's' As in my chicken shit down under country, the poms are a high labor cost. importing country and thailand is a low labor cost exporting country. The poms cant stir the pot as they dont want to jeopardize what little exports they might have to thailand. Simple as that, its all about money, a balance of trade deficit takes precedence over a death of one of its nationals.

From #273 BobR

Any valid system of justice required proof beyond a reasonable doubt or a similar standard, sometimes the cops may even be quite certain who did the killing but there simply is no legally admissible evidence to prove it.Sad, yes, but letting a murderer get away with it is a far better option than wrongfully convicting someone.

The people who are so anxious for any chance to belittle the Thai police and legal system should be thankful that both work well enough that no one has has been offered up as a sacrafice to boost tourism and foreign perception of safety here.

My take on this is that the welsh police have pristine DNA sample from Kirsty, not the sperm from a trannie rubbed all over Kirsty by the tourist police. This professor strangled Kirsty, raped her when she was dead and I doubt he wore a franger or had 'clitoris interruptus'. There will be no doubt as to the 'reasonable doubt' needed for a prosecution, of the DNA evidence from with in Kirsty, the welsh police have.

From #301 Bobcock

Quote: Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
Yeah, but not the UK press.All they would have to do is to tell the truth...That he refused to give a DNA sample.
The sad fact is that they feel there is no mileage in it for them.
The UK police are being very tactful and careful in what they say. By being diplomatic they are keeping the Thais on side. Their private thoughts are probably very different.
You don't get cooperation from Thais if you shout or become angry. Telling home truths does not work.
That's why they invented this 'culture', means you give up and go away.
Sometimes embarrasing them into action is the best way, but if your gamble doesn't work it's game over as they sit there blaming you.


I agree, Bobcock. It's interesting that Dyfed police are playing this the Thai way by praising what they've done right (however little) and not commenting on the mistakes or obvious cover up. That tactic may work with Thais. Embarrassing them - which Dyfed are advisedly not doing - certainly won't.

For Bobcock, I sent an email to every pommy news (googled Kirsty to get the list, about 6 of them) paper that ran an article on Kirsty and not on replied to me.

From #316 thegent

The thing is, I thought tha this chap together with the police involved had their DNA matched to existing samples which subsequently proved negative.

The only person reliable enough to give an up to date commentary is Andrew Drummond but of course he no longer posts here.

My take, I think drummond was kept out of the loop the time hughson and wilkins came to test the professor, just in case they were on a loser of the professor not coughing up a sample. He yanked his article on their trip. (and I didnt save it before he yanked it)
"subsequently proved negative" There was no press release when the welsh police left thailand. If drummond knows what happened, he is not saying. I can only surmise the professor was the winner of that bout, hence drummond yanked his article.

From #313 ENT
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In the internet video, he states the professor and another Thai man were seen lurking outside the Aree Guest House in Chiang Mai where Kirsty was staying at the time of her murder.
The other man, a Thai tourist police officer, has already been ruled out by a DNA test.

ENT here is a cut and paste of the piece that got me interested in this case. Straight away I knew that this was Tony. There is only one cop that fits the picture here. If anyone refutes this then I will have to refer you to someone who knows, and to do this we shall have to go through the brit consul in ch. mai to find this chap (I know the consul knows him) and keep his identity secret. This chap could confirm to the welsh police that Tony is indeed the policeman 'waiting outside' Once this happens, this gives credibility to the rest of my story.

"The information points in particular to a Thai tourist policeman with fluent English and who has a reputation for prowling local bars looking for foreign women.
The policeman, whose name has not been disclosed to the public, was seen outside the guest house on the night in question."

#311 ENT

Chief suspect is employed by Maharaj Hospital and University Chiangmai.

Not sure about the Maharaj Hospital, unless he is the gardener. Agricultural faculty at the ch. mai uni.

#320 ENT

Seems that a "hi-so" is the killer, as it's extremely unlikely that anyone of lesser status could slow the enquiry down as much as it has been

For me 'hi-so' is high society, the rich that flaunt their wealth. The professor is more 'hi-honcho' with his brother being a retired head honcho Inspector of ch. mai tourist police district.

There has been to many coincidence's happen to me that I dont have to allege that the murderer is the professor, I am saying that he is the murderer despite the idiot welsh police saying 'where is your proof'
I have kept a couple of kegs of powder dry, I shall write them up.

Originally Posted by mrajpallan

There has been to many coincidence's happen to me that I dont have to allege that the murderer is the professor, I am saying that he is the murderer despite the idiot welsh police saying 'where is your proof'
I have kept a couple of kegs of powder dry, I shall write them up.

If what you say is true, why don't you just give the evidence to the police ?

I agree Can123.

Presumably he can't give the evidence to the police because he does not have it. They won't act on rumour or supposition. Also, the Welsh police have to tread carefully because they do not have jueisdiction. Their tactic of being diplomatic may not pay off but it is the only option.