The COVID-2019 Thread

[cyrille]

Lockdowns don't work in a liberal society

That is such a transparently weak argument that it is laughable.

Observance of lockdowns in the UK has generally been excellent, except of course amongst BoJo's SPADs.

Why else would they have worked so effectively?

Unless you have a chart from 2019 to prove otherwise, harriet.

[panama hat]

unfortunately there will be a cohort in the EU population that have had their view of it tainted by the EU bumbling

Talk about "bumbling", did you not read Troy's post . . . right above yours:

No, Belgium didn't stop using AZ and EAM didn't advise EU countries to stop using. This was individual country decisions and not EU.

[harrybarracuda]

That is such a transparently weak argument that it is laughable.

Observance of lockdowns in the UK has generally been excellent, except of course amongst BoJo's SPADs.

Why else would they have worked so effectively?

Unless you have a chart from 2019 to prove otherwise, harriet.

I don't know what you are reading sybil, but my son lives in Brighton and has been keeping me apprised of the situation on a regular basis. People have consistently ignored lockdowns from day one and gathered on the beach, especially at weekends, with monotonous regularity and the police have long since given up trying to play whack-a-mole.

Perhaps you could prove your random observation with some data, e.g.?

[strigils]

^ yes, its what i have seen over the past year too, although i think demographics play a part. The older you are the less likely to ignore the rules, the young and invincible not so much and they forget that they can pass it on.

[cyrille]

Talk about "bumbling", did you not read Troy's post . . . right above yours:

BREXITers never let facts get in the way- haven't you noticed? From bendy bananas onwards they've bumbled on, wilfully oblivious to reality.

[strigils]

^ aw how sweet. Perhaps the countries that form your beloved club should listen to its institutions like the EMA or more widely the WHO, but no instead the Krauts get a notion in their heads and the rest of the sheep follow - just like the EU really.

[panama hat]

^ Again, take your anti-EU shit to the Brexit thread instead of polluting this one as well . . . rejoice in the fantastic job you have been doing in the number of deaths, infections and how marvellous the UK is doing over there in general.

[strigils]

^ it's not anti-EU to say they didn't listen to their own institution you idiot, and as for you lecturing others on polluting threads well just how many do you bumble around picking fights in daily, suck it up cup cake.

[cyrille]

^ Again, take your anti-EU shit to the Brexit thread instead of polluting this one as well . . . rejoice in the fantastic job you have been doing in the number of deaths, infections and how marvellous the UK is doing over there in general.

In this case the issues are entangled. Your thread policing here is not appropriate.

[Joe 90]

Several European countries are to resume using the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine after EU regulators give the go-ahead
Germany, France, Italy and Spain are among the countries which will restart their rollout of the jab
Prime Minister Boris Johnson is to receive his first dose of the vaccine later
He is urging people to get inoculated after reassuring the public the AstraZeneca jab is "safe"
UK government borrowing hits the highest February level on record
Paris is set to go into a month-long Covid lockdown as the country fears a third wave
France has recorded more than 35,000 new infections within the past 24 hours

[PlanK]

^ yes, its what i have seen over the past year too, although i think demographics play a part. The older you are the less likely to ignore the rules, the young and invincible not so much and they forget that they can pass it on.

I've noticed a difference where I am.
On public transport a mask is still required. On a recent bus trip all the youngsters were wearing masks. Karen in the front seat wasn't, and old codger had his hanging under his chin.

Despite the prevailing thought (pushed by boomers) that the young are spoiled and entitled, I see the youngsters following the rules more than the old folks.

[strigils]

^^ there is much talk of a third wave in some countries on the continent and i fear it is this cycle until enough get vaccinated and unfortunately the only alternative until that happens is further lockdowns. God i hope this is largely behind us all by the time this year is up. I never thought this would be a 2 year thing and it looks like it could influence our lives for years more yet.

[strigils]

^^ i guess its not the same everywhere and you are right some olds seem to think the rules don't apply to them, IQs?. In the shop the other day i had bloke almost leaning over my shoulder in the queue like he was trying to read my non-existent paper, kin idiot.

[lom]

Prime Minister Boris Johnson is to receive his first dose of the vaccine later
He is urging people to get inoculated after reassuring the public the AstraZeneca jab is "safe"

How lucky aren't we to have a known truth teller like BoJo to guarantee that..
While he is at it he should also inform to EMA and WHO, they don't go further than saying that "the advantages over-trumps the disadvantages" which simply means that it is better than nothing.

[bsnub]

Just back from my first jab, no driving allowed for 15 minutes after.

They held me both times for 15 minutes. I got the Moderna jab what did you get?

[Joe 90]

They held me both times for 15 minutes. I got the Moderna jab what did you get?

AZ .

[taxexile]

bsnub

They held me both times for 15 minutes

same here, had to sit in a room for 15 minutes after getting the jab to ensure no allergic reaction.

[cyrille]

How lucky aren't we to have a known truth teller like BoJo to guarantee that..
While he is at it he should also inform to EMA and WHO, they don't go further than saying that "the advantages over-trumps the disadvantages" which simply means that it is better than nothing.

You are quite right that BoJo should be trusted as far as he can be thrown, but the EMA also said that the AZ vaccine was 'safe and effective'.

Italy, France, Germany, Portugal, Spain and the Netherlands will resume administering it either today or early next week.

[taxexile]

smug ?????

moi ?????


Brexiteers aren't 'smug' about the EU's vaccine failure, we're angry.

Remainers are wrong if they think anybody is finding joy in the needless and tragic suffering of the people of Europe

PATRICK O'FLYNN
18 March 2021 • 3:59pm
Patrick O'Flynn


As the European Commission continues daily to flout the late Denis Healey’s law of holes (“When you are in one, stop digging”), pointing out its idiotic behaviour over vaccines and the ensuing idiotic behaviour of the most senior national leaders in the European Union is being deemed a red card offence by members of the Remainer elite.

The assessment of David Henig, UK Director of the European Centre for International Political Economy, is that: “The level of UK smugness over vaccination is quite off the scale for a pandemic which is still a danger to us. That we are hopefully on the right track is rather good, but not justifying lecturing Europe on our superiority.”

Other Remainer voices take a still more jaundiced view, refusing even to address the obvious fact that while the UK’s vaccine roll-out has been a triumph, the EU’s has been a disaster. According to best-selling author Philip Pullman “every day this country gets a little worse, and every day there’s a little less we can do about it” and that’s all there is to it. Dark materials indeed.

From their perspective, Britain cannot and must not ever be presented in a positive light.

When we perform badly it is because we are useless and isolationist.

When we perform well then anybody who dares to point it out is smug and insufferable.

The truth is that the great majority of us are not feeling smug in the slightest about the rising tide of infections and deaths that is beginning to sweep across continental Europe. The prospect of such needless loss of life given the advent of vaccines is too awful to contemplate.

It is not the fault of ordinary Europeans that the political institutions which are meant to protect them have failed in such a terrible manner. The repeated hyping of nonsensical scare stories about the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine looks very much like a case of politicians seeking to distract from their own shortcomings and making matters far worse in the process.

Not only are millions of doses of the vaccine sitting in fridges across Europe where they can do no good, as England’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam so eloquently pointed out yesterday, but the ill-founded warnings about the AstraZeneca jab are causing illogical hostility towards it to set in across countries with populations that already exhibit high levels of vaccine hesitancy.

Such has been the volume of the EU’s onslaught against AstraZeneca that this has even started to spill over into Britain, with reports of hundreds of people not showing up for vaccine appointments in the past couple of days. So not only will the conduct of European leaders cost lives in their own countries, it looks like it will also cost lives in ours.

Another way in which it will do this is by giving Covid an extended opportunity to come up with vaccine-resistant variants via continued high prevalence in continental Europe. A third disadvantage for us is that the bigger the EU’s new wave of Covid turns out to be and the longer it lasts, the less are our chances of ending up on a sun-soaked Mediterranean beach this summer for some much-needed R&R. So no, we are not feeling smug, Mr Henig. We are feeling blinking furious.

Imagine if the boot had been on the other foot and it was Britain that had messed up its vaccination programme by steering clear of the EU’s which had in turn proved to be a triumph. Imagine if our Cabinet ministers had hyped-up groundless scare stories about the EU’s vaccines, unleashing a wave of vaccine hesitancy in the UK public. Does anyone for a moment imagine that pro-EU British commentators would be lining up to criticise Brussels or Paris or Berlin for exhibiting a “smug” attitude towards us (which politicians in those cities certainly would have done, by the way)? Hardly. Much more likely it would all be grist to the mill of the Remainer penchant for national self-abasement. They’d be branding us the sick man of Europe and the laughing stock of the world.

To be fair, one or two Remainers have shown enough self-awareness to acknowledge the reality of the great EU vaccines disaster. The actor Tony Robinson can spot a Baldrick-level cunning plan unravelling when he sees it. “I still believe our leaving the EU will prove a disaster, but its tardy approach to vaccination and its vindictive and totally unnecessary treatment of AstraZeneca will confirm many Brexit voters in their belief that the EU is a ‘bad thing’ – and I find it hard to blame them,” he said.

Thank you, Tony. No doubt the years ahead will present him with some events that allow him to argue that his case for the UK to be inside the EU has been strengthened. But manifestly this is not one of them.

When it comes to procuring vaccinations against a disease that European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen admits is “the crisis of the century”, the European political system has failed and the British one has succeeded. To say so is not to be smug, but merely to acknowledge reality.

Brexiteers aren't 'smug' about the EU's vaccine failure, we're angry

[Buckaroo Banzai]

So it seems that the Thai government met today and have decided that :
"from April 1 to Sept 30, arrivals without a vaccination certificate (VC) and Covid-19 free certificate (CFC) would be quarantined for 10 days, and be tested for the disease twice. "
and
"Arrivals with VCs and CFCs would be quarantined for seven days and tested once. Those with VCs but without CFCs would be tested twice. "
All positive anointments. But....
"The 14-day quarantine period would remain for arrivals from areas where the Covid-19 virus has mutated "
Which seems to be most of the world , so it remains unclear , who it applies too.
So I guess , it's back to the drawing board, awaiting further instruction. Anyone who knows any more about this pleas let me know.
I know there is another thread about this somewhere, but I could not find it.

[bsnub]

ame here, had to sit in a room for 15 minutes after getting the jab to ensure no allergic reaction.

Even though you are a grummpy old tosser I am glad you got a jab. I want to see us TD wank squad all in the clear.

[misskit]

Mexico Seizes 'Fake' Sputnik Vaccines Bound for Honduras

Mexican authorities have seized a shipment of purported Sputnik V coronavirus vaccines from a private airplane bound for Honduras, which Russia says were fake doses.


The batch of 1,155 vials containing the equivalent of 5,775 doses was hidden inside two coolers aboard the plane at an airport in the southern state of Campeche, the customs agency said late Wednesday.


The Honduran crew and passengers were referred to the attorney general's office, the statement said.


The Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which financed the Sputnik V vaccine's development, thanked Mexico for seizing what it described as an illegal shipment of fake Sputnik V vaccines.


"Analysis of the photographs of the seized batch, including the design of containers and labels, suggests that it is a fake substance which has nothing to do with the original vaccine," it said in a statement.


"The shipment's procedure was also in violation of packaging and transportation protocols for the official Sputnik V vaccine," it added.


RDIF said that each vial of the real vaccine has a unique code to enable it to be traced to its place of origin.


It said the fake batch was "possibly aimed at discrediting" the Sputnik V vaccine.


Mexico, whose known Covid-19 death toll of around 196,000 is the third highest in the world, received the first shipment of 200,000 Sputnik V doses last month.

Mexico Seizes 'Fake' Sputnik Vaccines Bound for Honduras - The Moscow Times

[taxexile]

thank you bsnub for those "comments of reconciliation" even though they were delivered with a sizeable hint of unsavouriness.

[bsnub]

thank you bsnub for those "comments of reconciliation" even though they were delivered with a sizeable hint of unsavouriness.

It is your responsibility to carry on being as big a counterbalance as you can be you miserable old twat.

Fuck the reconciliation. A temporary peace to gather the wounded and dead. The fight goes on.

[taxexile]

reconclilation.

your spelling skills give away your trailer trash roots.