Thread: Traffic police: THB10,000-50,000 fines maximum penalty

The missus got fined 200 baht last week. Those maximum fines will be aimed at farangs I reckon.

I took her up to the DLT but she was sent away and told to book online.

The following website she was given doesnt work

https://ebooking.dlt.go.th

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I thought that was 3rd party insurance, ie to pay for whoever you hit.

You may be right. I was under the belief that it covered all parties in the event of requiring treatment following a traffic accident?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

You may be right. I was under the belief that it covered all parties in the event of requiring treatment following a traffic accident?

Don't quote me, it's 3rd hand info.
Here's what I was told, but I suggest take with a grain of salt; The insurance is for death of a third party, and that is why some drivers make sure of the job and want the 3rd party dead otherwise the driver is faced with big expenses.
Could be cynical misinformation.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Go for number 3. Cheaper.

Out in the sticks, but not where cops can access the database.
Cunning point though

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Then you will have two fines

They take the ID card off the Thais and they still have to produce their driving licence at the police station where the ID card is taken to.

As a farang i'd imagine they'd take you the station and detain you until your wife brings it and your passport

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Don't quote me, it's 3rd hand info.
Here's what I was told, but I suggest take with a grain of salt; The insurance is for death of a third party, and that is why some drivers make sure of the job and want the 3rd party dead otherwise the driver is faced with big expenses.
Could be cynical misinformation

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The basic insurance covers the person you hit, but only for 15,000 baht.

I'm pretty sure their family would want a fair bit of compensation if you killed someone

Originally Posted by Dillinger

They take the ID card off the Thais and they still have to produce their driving licence at the police station where the ID card is taken to.

As a farang i'd imagine they'd take you the station and detain you until your wife brings it and your passport

In a town in the sticks they take the car/motorcycle keys. Up to you how you get to the police station, pay yer fine and return with a receipt to get yer car/motorcycle. If its out of town there is an officer that sits at a table on the roadside that you can pay yer fine to. In our village they always do the road stops outside the police station so's you aren't too inconvenienced in paying your fine.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

It covers the person you hit, but only for 15,000 baht.

My missus says it covers yourself as well. Take it up with her.

^ i thought that was passed over to the cops hand thats in your car

Lots of misinformation on this thread, first the story is a proposed increase in fines, not a new law, if I believed every proposed new law spouted by some Gov. official, I'd either leave the country or be buying a new house, these people just like getting their name in the paper.

Fixed penalty tickets are on the spot fines, anything above that [penalty wise] is set by judge/court appearance, if they started arresting every minor traffic offender and holding them for a court appearance, the system would collapse.
Judges will not fine people more than they can afford, otherwise the prisons would be full of fine defaulters not criminals.

The police officer does not get 95% of the fine, Department of land transport gets 5% as the administrator of the fine collections and national data base.
The police department or other agency gets the rest, it's how they pay the wages, buy equipment etc. that's why there has been a crack down on police setting up check points and pocketing a back hander, Gov. Police agencies want the money.

Bike insurance, it's compulsory and is a no fault type, you can ride your M/C into the back of a parked truck, drunk and you are still covered for 50,000 Baht medical.
There is also voluntary 3rd party medical, 400 Baht, which adds 200,000 Baht extra coverage, you just show the hospital the rego paper and a police report, simple.

My village, believe the only licensed bike rider is me and know one pays the registration, so no accident cover, nearest Land transport office is 70 plus km away in Det Udon, so no one bothers.

Keep up withe the times Prag, the days of cops pocketing fines to divide up later have gone. All legal traffic tickets are bar coded and can be paid by post, at banks, ATMs and other authorized places, the information is held on the national data base, payments are made to, the Commissioner General of the Royal Thai Police. It's written on the ticket in English, same same most western countries, Government wants the money under their control.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Keep up withe the times Prag, the days of cops pocketing fines to divide up later have gone.
All legal traffic tickets are bar coded and can be paid by post, at banks, ATMs and other authorized places, the information is held on the national data base, payments are made to, the Commissioner General of the Royal Thai Police.

Show yer link to that statement. Look at my link in post #6 and look at the date of the article that states police do in fact get 95% of the fine. With regards to the barcoding. What's that got to do with the division of the fines? Your talking out yer arse Jim.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

It's written on the ticket in English, same same most western countries, Government wants the money under their control.

That may be so, but from the OP article, "The police are considering cancelling the present program which gives a share of fines to traffic police officers,", which means the cops do get paid bonuses. Of course, it all goes through the system.

If they didn't recruit so many police then there wouldn't be so many redundant mouths to feed. Over-manning in Thailand is an increasingly expensive farce and they will have to modernise eventually.
Thailand has a force of 230,000, the UK, with a similar population but many more cities, has a force of 125,000.

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Manning levels are based on the size of the Amphur. The amount of people who live in the Amphur is irrelevant. Seems arse about face to me.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Keep up withe the times Prag, the days of cops pocketing fines to divide up later have gone. All legal traffic tickets are bar coded and can be paid by post, at banks, ATMs and other authorized places, the information is held on the national data base, payments are made to, the Commissioner General of the Royal Thai Police. It's written on the ticket in English, same same most western countries, Government wants the money under their control.

You are right on legal tickets, but currency notes are not barcoded and become untraceable once they reach the destination pocket.

Can't be far wrong thinking a smart cop might weigh his equity on a 500 bt legal ticket to be around 12 satangs, vs 200 bt in his pocket.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Show yer link to that statement. Look at my link in post #6 and look at the date of the article that states police do in fact get 95% of the fine. With regards to the barcoding. What's that got to do with the division of the fines? Your talking out yer arse Jim.

Police, as in Royal Thai Police, not police officer as an individual, like taxes, the workers don't get to share out the cash.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

That may be so, but from the OP article, "The police are considering cancelling the present program which gives a share of fines to traffic police officers,", which means the cops do get paid bonuses. Of course, it all goes through the system.

Read that, doesn't say how much, but does say Traffic Police not Police
The Traffic police are probable the lowest form of Provincial Police, but a separate division.

Land Transport Dept: Hefty fines are to promote road safety

BANGKOK, 25th August 2018 (NNT) - The Land Transport Department has allayed motorists’ worries about the new bill that will see those caught driving without a license having to pay a hefty fine of up to 50,000 baht, saying the proposed law is aimed at improving road safety.

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Land Transport, Kamol Buranapong explained that the new bill, which combines the contents of the Land Transport Act 1979 and the Motor Vehicle Act 1979, is to strengthen the surveillance of motorists' behavior to prevent and reduce traffic accidents more efficiently.

According to Mr. Kamol, statistics indicated that as many as 60 percent of drivers responsible for road accidents have no driver's license, and most of them are aged under 24. It is also found that the risk of motorists without driver licenses being killed or injured in road accidents is twice that of motorists having driver licenses.

Meanwhile, Commander of the Special Police Branch’s Division 3, Pol Maj-General Ekkarat Limsangkat has eased public fears that the new bill would open the way for rogue officers to demand money from motorists, saying the court, not police is the only body to decide on the penalty.

National Police Spokesman Pol Colonel Krissana Pattanacharoen, later announced that all police on duty had been instructed to remove their face masks when having to identify themselves to motorists. Those spotting rule-breaking police are advised to photograph them or send video clips showing their rule-breaking actions to the Royal Thai Police immediately.


National News Bureau Of Thailand | Land Transport Dept: Hefty fines are to promote road safety

Land Transport Dept: Hefty fines are to promote road safety

BANGKOK, 25th August 2018 (NNT) - The Land Transport Department has allayed motorists’ worries about the new bill that will see those caught driving without a license having to pay a hefty fine of up to 50,000 baht, saying the proposed law is aimed at improving road safety.

Deputy Director-General of the Department of Land Transport, Kamol Buranapong explained that the new bill, which combines the contents of the Land Transport Act 1979 and the Motor Vehicle Act 1979, is to strengthen the surveillance of motorists' behavior to prevent and reduce traffic accidents more efficiently.

According to Mr. Kamol, statistics indicated that as many as 60 percent of drivers responsible for road accidents have no driver's license, and most of them are aged under 24. It is also found that the risk of motorists without driver licenses being killed or injured in road accidents is twice that of motorists having driver licenses.

Meanwhile, Commander of the Special Police Branch’s Division 3, Pol Maj-General Ekkarat Limsangkat has eased public fears that the new bill would open the way for rogue officers to demand money from motorists, saying the court, not police is the only body to decide on the penalty.

National Police Spokesman Pol Colonel Krissana Pattanacharoen, later announced that all police on duty had been instructed to remove their face masks when having to identify themselves to motorists. Those spotting rule-breaking police are advised to photograph them or send video clips showing their rule-breaking actions to the Royal Thai Police immediately.


National News Bureau Of Thailand | Land Transport Dept: Hefty fines are to promote road safety

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Read that, doesn't say how much, but does say Traffic Police not Police
The Traffic police are probable the lowest form of Provincial Police, but a separate division.

Jim are you saying that the 2 local cops I discussed this with lied to me when stating they get 95% of the fine issued? Are you sayin that the people who informed Marmite the Dog were also lying? Are you saying only one branch of Thai police (Traffic Police), get the 95%? And where's your link confirming the police don't get a divi of the fines issued?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Jim are you saying that the 2 local cops I discussed this with lied to me when stating they get 95% of the fine issued? Are you sayin that the people who informed Marmite the Dog were also lying? Are you saying only one branch of Thai police (Traffic Police), get the 95%? And where's your link confirming the police don't get a divi of the fines issued?

OK Prag last post on this, as we are off on a 5 day road trip tomorrow, new visa Savanahket, stop off a night here and there, bit of a holiday.

Anyway can't find the amended regulations, maybe under a different act now, but this was the law I guess until the Police National RTP data base started.

Section 146

The fine payments under this Act obtained in Bangkok Metropolis or any Province or locality specified in the Notification of the Ministry of Interior shall be given in part to the Bangkok Metropolis or the Municipality of such Province for traffic management or wholly allocated to the locality specified in the Notification of the Ministry of Interior.
Land Traffic Act, B.E. 2522 (1979)

Nothing about police getting a cut.

I'm not quite sure that's what they meant.

Hey, which one of you rocket scientists did the transliteration on that one.

Aloof?

Originally Posted by jamescollister

Nothing about police getting a cut.

You really are dogmatic. It told you in the link I posted, 'section 44'. That confirms the police receive 95% of the fine. It does say 'traffic police' but that's just bad news reporting.