Thread: Stateless babies abandonment on the rise

A MIGRANT workers support group in Phuket has revealed major concerns about nationality status, with workers from Myanmar abandoning babies at public hospitals. There have also been reports of migrant workers unable to obtain birth certificates for children.



More than 10 newborn babies were left at public hospitals in Phuket every year, Sumana Pakburawat from the Diocesan Social Action Centre said.

She said the reason behind such tragic abandonment was mainly financial, as many migrant workers were poor but not able to use free healthcare rights under their Universal Coverage insurance – or because they never had insurance in the first place.

Sumana said many migrant workers were also unable to get records of their babies’ birth from hospital officials, so their children end up being unregistered and stateless – as their parents usually couldn’t show proof on the identity of their employer.

These problems were common in Phuket, but rare elsewhere, she said.

“Our organisation is working hard to help hospitals find the parents or relatives of abandoned babies, because if we do not do that, the babies won’t be able to be identified and registered, which will lead to a nationality problem [and lack of vital identity documents] for them in the future. And that doesn’t include the moral reasons,” she said.

“Luckily, we have been able to find the relatives of babies in most cases and have helped return the children to their families. But many are less fortunate and left in the care of the hospital.”

She gave the example of a case last month of a baby born with a defective nervous system who was left at Vachira Phuket Hospital, because the mother could not pay the expensive cost of complex treatment for her child. To date, the hospital and her group have been unable to find relatives of this baby.

Surapong Kongchantuk, a member of the Thai Public Broadcasting Service board of governors and a campaigner on minorities’ rights, said in cases of babies or children who are abandoned and their parents can’t be found, the official order is that the Social Development and Human Security Ministry will take care of the children until they are adopted or reach 18.

Surapong stressed that the law says hospitals cannot deny people who have universal coverage the right to use their insurance benefits. If they do, they are violating the law, as the cost for neonatal services is included in migrant workers’ universal coverage insurance.

Sumana said another problem that hinders the children of migrant workers getting nationality documents stemmed from an extra requirement demanded by public hospitals in Phuket, who say the identification of the employer must be presented to verify migrant workers’ status.

“Many migrant workers from Myanmar come to our organisation to seek assistance from us to get records of birth for their children, because hospitals refused to hand them a birth certificate report, as they failed to present them an identification of their employer,” she said.

She said that if children had no birth records, local authorities would not register them and give them a birth certificate and they cannot register for nationality in their home country either.

“These problems have already caused many offspring of migrant workers to become stateless people. We have a lot of cases of stateless people that we are helping, but we cannot exactly estimate the total number in Phuket,” she said.

But Surapong said hospitals were obligated under the law to issue a birth record to everyone who gives birth at their hospital.

Babies abandoned by migrants in Phuket due to cost, insurance row

So, the baby of Thai nationals that is abandoned will also be stateless?
I doubt it.
So, the hospital makes a racist judgement on the abandoned child's ancestry.

Good old Thai xenophobia at work.

Is that Ben, in a pair of Fluke's boxer shorts

DNA test - Thais seem to have a lot less C and G, and a lot more M7 and N (the main distinguishers).

A DNA test is now part of the criteria for a stateless child/person to obtain a Thai ID card.

Agencies to conduct DNA tests on stateless people
Piyanut Tumnukasetchai
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Provincial Administration Department and the Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) will join forces to carry out DNA tests on 200,000 stateless people, including 79,000 school-age youths, to prove their ethnicity and ensure their right to healthcare and education.

CIFS director Khunying Porntip Rojanasunan and department director-general Krissada Boonrat yesterday signed a memorandum of understanding for DNA tests to support the department's census registration.

Krissada expressed the hope that this co-operation would boost the speed and effectiveness of the nationality identification process. He said the Justice Ministry would cover the expense of the DNA tests, which cost about Bt10,000 per pair.

Porntip urged people wishing to apply for national identification to file a request with the CIFS or the Provincial Administration Department, which would screen the applicants before submitting the cases to the CIFS to carry out the free DNA testing.
Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nati...-30260149.html

-- The Nation 2015-05-15

Even back in 2004/5, Burmese labourers were dumping their kids in Thailand. Probably because they couldn't afford to feed them, let alone educate them and provide healthcare.

Did you see that kid who could have a great future in football if he actually wasn't stateless?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

A DNA test is now part of the criteria for a stateless child/person to obtain a Thai ID card.

Agencies to conduct DNA tests on stateless people
Piyanut Tumnukasetchai
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Provincial Administration Department and the Central Institute of Forensic Science (CIFS) will join forces to carry out DNA tests on 200,000 stateless people, including 79,000 school-age youths, to prove their ethnicity and ensure their right to healthcare and education.

CIFS director Khunying Porntip Rojanasunan and department director-general Krissada Boonrat yesterday signed a memorandum of understanding for DNA tests to support the department's census registration.

Krissada expressed the hope that this co-operation would boost the speed and effectiveness of the nationality identification process. He said the Justice Ministry would cover the expense of the DNA tests, which cost about Bt10,000 per pair.

Porntip urged people wishing to apply for national identification to file a request with the CIFS or the Provincial Administration Department, which would screen the applicants before submitting the cases to the CIFS to carry out the free DNA testing.
Source: Agencies to conduct DNA tests on stateless people

-- The Nation 2015-05-15

That report was published two years ago .
Nothing more came of it .
It was just probably an idea, and after carefully thinking about it, they probably realised that that method would be in effective .
Reason being that Thai Nationals are made up of various ethnicities and many Thais would fail any DNA Thai ethnicity tests .
It probably dawned on them that all the Thais of Chinese decendency would fail that test, as would many other Thai ethnic groups .

Thai kid registration has also some loopholes, one SIL failed to register her first kid, the FIL did go to the Amphoe (Northern Thaild), he thought all was done but acvtually not (20+ years ago) ... Some thai may be stateless as well, but things improved since that time ...

To end my little story the SIL noticed the registration failed 2 years later, she managed to get her registered as the new-born baby of another sister so this nephew biological age is 2 years older than his official age ... had to wait 2 extra year for education then later to be allowed to drink, get a job etc..better than being stateless thought

Originally Posted by Fluke

It was just probably an idea, and after carefully thinking about it, they probably realised that that method would be in effective .
Reason being that Thai Nationals are made up of various ethnicities and many Thais would fail any DNA Thai ethnicity tests .
It probably dawned on them that all the Thais of Chinese decendency would fail that test, as would many other Thai ethnic groups .

Yes, and it may also have dawned on them that the 10,000 bhat per person, for potentially 200,000 people, was money out of state coffers being spent on "Pama" non-Thais.

But you make a good point regarding ancestry and qualifying as "Thai", which leads to too many inconvenient thoughts for the xenophobes to ponder.

[QUOTE=Pragmatic;3463734]

Originally Posted by Fluke

they probably realised that that method would be in effective . Reason being that Thai Nationals are made up of various ethnicities and many Thais would fail any DNA Thai ethnicity tests .

Its got fcuk all to do with ethnics. It's done to prove parentage.

“Three months of waiting for the result was like three years, but it was worth waiting for,” Joe said, as the result show DNA matched his parents’. He then applied for a Thai ID card and just got one this month.

The quote that you posted doesnt appear in any of the reports in this thread.
This where I will get lost and confused .
You post a random quote with no context or link that doesnt appear in this thread and I have no idea who "Joe " is and thus the conversion degenerates into retardedness .
Fair enough, I cannot follow

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

And wasn't Fluke told yonks ago to go get a DNA test done to prove parentage? But pigheadedly he refused.

No, I wasnt told to get a DNA test (You dont count BTW).
This is where I lose track of you logic .
I am not ethnic Thai or even Asian , so how will getting a DNA test done prove that Ben is ethnic Thai ?
His Mothers name is on the Birth certificate, and that is accepted by the authorities as showing her to be the Mother .
Can you give some evidence to show that you are in touch with reality?

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

And wasn't Fluke told yonks ago to go get a DNA test done to prove parentage? But pigheadedly he refused.

No, I wasnt told to get a DNA test

Just as well, they'd probably notice the 50% chimp in there.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Just as well, they'd probably notice the 50% chimp in there.

Which side, the Asian side ?
Are your Children also half "Chimp"

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

[ I said in that a DNA test will make it easier to get your son a UK passport by proving you are his father.

It wouldnt, A Birth Certificate is accepted by the UK authorities as proving who the parents are .
DNA results are not asked for or required

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

The quote I posted in post #10 is reality, whereby the stateless person 'Joe' had to prove parentage of both parents before getting his ID card.

I have no idea who "Joe" is .
So I do not know the reasons why he had to prove parentage .
Mabne he didnt have a Birth Certificate and ......................whatever

Originally Posted by Fluke

It wouldnt, A Birth Certificate is accepted by the UK authorities as proving who the parents are . DNA results are not asked for or required

Your son is stateless therefore proof of parentage needs to be confirmed. He has no nationality stated on the birth certificate.

DNA results are not asked for or required

I'll accept your apology you fcuking numpty.

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DNA test reports (we will accept test results from a company that is on the
Ministry of Justice’s accredited list:
www.justice.gov.uk/courts/paternity
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https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...S2__01-16_.pdf

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

you fcuking numpty.

Once again I will not confer with you, if you become abusive .
You go from being unable to have a coherent discussion
Then go mentioning things unconnected' that have no relevance
Then you get abusive .
Not worth talking to, TBH

Originally Posted by Fluke

I have no idea who "Joe" is .

Now you will, if you read this?

Plan assists young ?stateless? Thais prove their DNA link to citizenship | Prachatai English

Originally Posted by Fluke

Once again I will not confer with you, if you become abusive . You go from being unable to have a coherent discussion Then go mentioning things unconnected' that have no relevance Then you get abusive . Not worth talking to, TBH

Well fuck of then you complete fucking loser. Christ what kind of idiot are you to believe a bargirl that says you made her pregnant. What about all the other punters?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Originally Posted by Fluke

I have no idea who "Joe" is .

Now you will, if you read this?

Plan assists young ?stateless? Thais prove their DNA link to citizenship | Prachatai English

Yes, just as I suggested .
Joes Parents have Thai citizenship and he didnt .
He took a DNA test to show that he was their Son and therefore entitled to Thai citizenship .
If a person doesnt have Thai citizen parents , then there is no point taking a DNA test to show who the Parents are , because it wouldnt give them the right to get Thai citizenship, because the Parents are not Thai .
Can you not follow ?
Its quite simple

Originally Posted by Fluke

Yes, just as I suggested . Joes Parents have Thai citizenship and he didnt . He took a DNA test to show that he was their Son and therefore entitled to Thai citizenship . If a person doesnt have Thai citizen parents , then there is no point taking a DNA test to show who the Parents are , because it wouldnt give them the right to get Thai citizenship, because the Parents are not Thai . Can you not follow ? Its quite simple

Fuck off Fluke. You brain dead twat.

Fuck off Fluke. You brain dead twat.[/QUOTE]

Once again, as usual, when you get shown to be completely wrong, you resort with abuse.