Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I doubt anyone is giving semen samples. just the inside the cheek swabs.

An outbreak of that somewhat misnamed thing, 'common' sense.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I doubt anyone is giving semen samples. just the inside the cheek swabs.

An outbreak of that somewhat misnamed thing, 'common' sense.

Wow, a two'for.

Yes, DNA from cheek swabs, hair and nail samples are being compared to ......... DNA from the semen on the body.

The suggestion was (someones) that sample could be swapped to set someone up.
Which obviously wouldn't work unless they could swap the samples obtained from the victim with like samples from the person they want to fit up.

I do believe the BIB are now actively seeking Khun Patsy.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I doubt anyone is giving semen samples. just the inside the cheek swabs.

An outbreak of that somewhat misnamed thing, 'common' sense.

Wow, a two'for.

Yes, DNA from cheek swabs, hair and nail samples are being compared to ......... DNA from the semen on the body.

The suggestion was (someones) that sample could be swapped to set someone up.
Which obviously wouldn't work unless they could swap the samples obtained from the victim with like samples from the person they want to fit up.

it was asked if suspects were ejaculating en masse.

Originally Posted by Gazza

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I mean the samples found in the female victim held by the Forensic bureau, for comparison purposes with other specimens taken in the course of the enquiry, could be switched and replaced with samples taken from those to be fitted up.the match of course will then be made and the case is solved.

The original samples from semen found in 3 orifices of the victims (the male was raped too) was sent to Singapore to determine race. I would assume the Singapore lab would still have the results on file and possibly the swabs used.

If it turns out that a scapegoat is suspected, it wouldn't be long before an investigative journalist in search of a scoop, book deal, documentary tie-in etc would track down the real suspects and sneakily retrieve some DNA sample from them.

Getting a DNA match with Singapore that pointed to the real killers would send the authorities into 'Headless Chicken' mode.

That's the first I've heard of DM having been sexually assaulted- do you have any source?

Originally Posted by YOrlov

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I doubt anyone is giving semen samples. just the inside the cheek swabs.

An outbreak of that somewhat misnamed thing, 'common' sense.

Wow, a two'for.

Yes, DNA from cheek swabs, hair and nail samples are being compared to ......... DNA from the semen on the body.

The suggestion was (someones) that sample could be swapped to set someone up.
Which obviously wouldn't work unless they could swap the samples obtained from the victim with like samples from the person they want to fit up.

it was asked if suspects were ejaculating en masse.

No, it wasn't.
it was pointed to that to properly fit someone up you would need to replace the original semen samples with new ones.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I think people have misunderstood what I meant by switching samples.

I mean the samples found in the female victim held by the Forensic bureau, for comparison purposes with other specimens taken in the course of the enquiry, could be switched and replaced with samples taken from those to be fitted up.the match of course will then be made and the case is solved.

It's not beyond the bounds of reasonable conjecture given how the Thai people operate.

This is a country with no law or government in the accepted sense of the words.

The sample is semen, are they gonna give them handjobs?

That didn't stop them trying when they kidnapped the Karen tour guide, Narong, in an attempt to fit him up for the Kirsty Jones rape and murder, did it?
Or had you forgotten.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

That's the first I've heard of DM having been sexually assaulted- do you have any source?

Post No. 136 (Page 7 on my settings)

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

I think people have misunderstood what I meant by switching samples.

I mean the samples found in the female victim held by the Forensic bureau, for comparison purposes with other specimens taken in the course of the enquiry, could be switched and replaced with samples taken from those to be fitted up.the match of course will then be made and the case is solved.

It's not beyond the bounds of reasonable conjecture given how the Thai people operate.

This is a country with no law or government in the accepted sense of the words.

The sample is semen, are they gonna give them handjobs?

That didn't stop them trying when they kidnapped the Karen tour guide, Narong, in an attempt to fit him up for the Kirsty Jones rape and murder, did it?
Or had you forgotten.

They guy they ultimately didn't fit up?

Originally Posted by Gazza

Originally Posted by YOrlov

That's the first I've heard of DM having been sexually assaulted- do you have any source?

Post No. 136 (Page 7 on my settings)

Discounted upon Bangkok autopsy.

^
Thanks Necron, don't remember reading that. I recently started re-reading the reports from pg1 but only made it to pg8. It did my friggin' head in.

^Koman, don't tell me they didn't take DNA from his son? WTF??

Originally Posted by NZdick1983

^Koman, don't tell me they didn't take DNA from his son? WTF??

I don't know because they have never mentioned testing him, that I know of.

It appears that maybe the son's alibi was compelling enough for the BIB, so they did not wish to submit such an important person to the humility...especially with so many less important people to swab, and guitars to analyse.

Just another bit of the general confusion and cloudy information out there.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

I do believe the BIB are now actively seeking Khun Patsy.

They'll announce him this Saturday, according to the BP: Koh Tao murders arrest in 2-3 days - police | Bangkok Post: news

Then this today: 08:28 AMKoh Tao probe gets new chief

Sure, you always appoint a new Chief Investigator when an arrest is imminent, makes a lot of sense.

Koh Tao probe gets new chief | Bangkok Post: news

From the above ""We're confident that within two or three days we'll be able to obtain an arrest warrant and arrest the suspects who are among the shortlisted 10 Thai and Myanmar workers we're now focusing on," said Pol...

Yep, it will be pushed off onto some poor Burmese or low level Thai schmuck.

With Pol Lt Gen Chakthip in charge, the integration and efficiency of the investigation should improve, said Pol Gen Somyot, who insisted the police investigation had met international standards.

55555

what a complete and utter clusterfuck!

A BIB training video.........

Ah! Those will be the 'international standards', then.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Ah! Those will be the 'international standards', then.

No police force in the world has been able to match Clouseau, but the BIB are pretty close, and very likely to be the first.....

Originally Posted by pseudolus

This is a good article written by a Thai lady in Chiang Mai. Quote:

Pretty foreign ladies, so warned our Prime Minister, should not be wearing bikinis if they wish to be safe in Thailand.
Sigh.
There is nothing at all surprising about this statement, if you have lived in this country for any amount of time. When there is a violent crime against a foreigner, authorities seem to go into blind panic mode. It is a "protect Thailand’s reputation at all costs" mentality.
Having not only followed, but covered many such stories over the years, I can but shake my head at the pattern. The initial knee-jerk reaction is that the crime was committed by a fellow foreigner. In 2000, seven foreign suspects went through hell as police talked freely to the press about their possible, even likely, guilt following Kirsty Jones’s murder here in our city. Had they waited for the DNA results ten days later they would have found that the DNA belonged to an Asian (which, of course, didn’t stop the chief of police from opining that foreigners could have bought DNA from a male sex worker to plant on the scene). The initial line from authorities in the 2008 Pai shooting of Carly Reisig and Leo del Pinto by a policeman was that the two foreigners were fighting and began to attack the (armed) Thai cop when he approached them to help, resulting in his multiple self-defence shooting.
Once the foreigners are off the hook, attention often is focused on the Burmese or ethnic minorities. During Jones’s case, a Karen man, Narong Abraham, was kidnapped and tortured but bravely refused to confess before DNA evidence cleared him. And don’t forget all the Burmese and Cambodian migrant labourers who were swept up along with the (later to be found guilty) Thai fishermen for DNA testing following Katherine Horton’s 2006 rape and murder on Koh Samui.
Once fingers have had to be retracted from pointing to non-Thai nationals following DNA exoneration, it is time to insult the victims. The murdering Pai policeman attempted to sue Carly Reisig for attacking a police officer…who is now serving 37 years in jail. Kanchanaburi’s police killer of Vanessa Arscott and her fiance Adam Lloyd accused Lloyd of being enraged over jealously of his flirting girlfriend…which led the officer to run them over before executing them in front of up to 16 witnesses.
The bumbling lead investigator overseeing the Kirsty Jones case gleefully showed all the news reporters the condoms found in her travelling bag then outlandishly suggested that she was having consensual sex which got out of hand. “It was an accident,” he said before the autopsy proved him not only wrong but an utter imbecile. And now our dear general is inferring guilt on the Koh Tao victim simply because she had the audacity to be pretty while wearing a bikini…on a resort island.
All through these horrific cases is the constant plea to the public to protect Thailand’s image. Former PM Thaksin Shinawatra pleaded for Thailand to curb such murderous crimes as those against Katherine Horton, saying they would ruin Thailand’s reputation (never mind the fact that they should be curbed so no one else gets murdered). Our current leader has also called for the protection of our country’s name, which “could suffer all sorts of consequences” following the recent murders, urging us to “look at the behaviour of the other party (the victims), too.”
Dear men in authority, please just stop talking. Take some media training courses. Learn to say, “no comment at this time.” Or tell reporters that unless facts have been verified you won’t be speculating on details of the crime, on behaviour of the victims, or on anything else that is simply beyond your ken. What you don’t seem to understand is that crime happens everywhere in the world. No one is going to blame Thailand for having criminals. It will be news as it is news when a vicious crime happens anywhere. But what turns news to sensation, what brings it to the front pages, are your words. You are the ones shaming Thailand. When you speak without thinking, when you make ignorant and insensitive remarks, when you make fools of yourselves, this is when Thailand’s reputation goes down the drain. It is not the crime which hurts Thailand, it is your reaction to it.
As the song goes, you say it best, when you say nothing at all.

Chiang Mai Citylife: Editorial by Pim Kemasingki

Just this brilliant piece, Neo...

Originally Posted by koman

No police force in the world has been able to match Clouseau, but the BIB are pretty close, and very likely to be the first.....

Don't get caught up on the smokescreen that the BIB are incompetent, a third world force, etc, etc.

The fact is the BIB set out from minute one of this whole charade of an investigation, to sabotage the whole thing, throw out multiple red herrings, all with the sole aim of getting the real perpetrators well and truly off the hook.

Doing a damn fine job I'd say.

Amazing that cctv would get released with the son at uni. He doth protest too much I think.

Originally Posted by Stranger

The fact is the BIB set out from minute one of this whole charade of an investigation, to sabotage the whole thing, throw out multiple red herrings, all with the sole aim of getting the real perpetrators well and truly off the hook.

I think you're crediting them with a bit too much analytical thought there.

The incompetence and the corruption are kind of symbiotic imo.

That doesn't mean the 'incompetence' is deliberately manufactured as a smokescreen.

^I wouldn't put it past them, mate. I think most of the theories on here are pretty much equally possible/valid, which is a really sad indictment on the state of the police/justice system.