Thread: All overstayers to be expelled and denied re-entry

Starting from the moment they pass the order?

I wonder if those on an overstay right now will get their act together and get the proper visas sorted out?

.....doubt it. Will make the "i'm on an overstay" threads more boring I guess - leave, pay the money, and see you in a few years time.

According to the doc , unless there is more to it, you are better off being caught than turning yourself in...

Originally Posted by Necron99

you are better off being caught than turning yourself in...

How do you work that out?

Caught under a year, 5 yrs ban. Caught over a year 10 years. If over 10 years? I would assume ban for life - not clear. Anything under 10 yrs then you are considerably better off handing yourself in.


Just something else, apparently they have stopped issuing Visa On Arrival at land crossings. So if you exit and expect to get another 15 days walking across, then no, you will not be let in.

What do you expect really.

Originally Posted by Necron99

According to the doc , unless there is more to it, you are better off being caught than turning yourself in...

According to the report, you're better off swimming across the Mekong and doing a Rain Man impression at your local embassy.

Also - Slap's timing was legendary

Originally Posted by Koojo

What do you expect really.

Exactly - what would the UK authorities do if they caught you in the UK in the same situation?

































Give you a free house, loads of pocket money and a community grant most likely

Originally Posted by Koojo

What do you expect really.

Not expecting it to hold up......in the long run.
Will fade, because not practical for them


Just pompous talk, is all.

Might be some good deals on condos in the near future then.

Our glorious leaders know that Thailand can manage very well thank you without illegal farangs. I say get them out, not like Europe where they are housed and fed and paid not to work for ever.

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When they run out of illegal Farangs the present administration can always increase the income requirement for retirement visas with no grandfathering for existing holders. That would make even more Farangs illegal. Even more property to be "fairly" distributed.

Reading the new regulations I suspect the maximum overstay fine is going to increase to ThB 45,000 (90 days at ThB 500).

Originally Posted by leemo

Our glorious leaders know that Thailand can manage very well thank you without illegal farangs.

Oh yes, so true this. Illegal farang ain't worth a cap full of rancid piss.

Fuk them off I say. Way to easy to get legal , many different Visa options and if one cant be bothered to stay or get legal one deserves to be banned.

In Most other countries one would be in Jail if staying in country Illegally.

Try doing that in Australia.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Reading the new regulations I suspect the maximum overstay fine is going to increase to ThB 45,000 (90 days at ThB 500).

Ive always been amazed that Thailand's overstay laws have been so lenient.

Times had to change EH.

They have had a blinding run though same as the Visa runners.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

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When they run out of illegal Farangs the present administration can always increase the income requirement for retirement visas with no grandfathering for existing holders. That would make even more Farangs illegal. Even more property to be "fairly" distributed.

Reading the new regulations I suspect the maximum overstay fine is going to increase to ThB 45,000 (90 days at ThB 500).

Not sure why you object to it. They are tightening the loop hole that illegals have used in the past. Those working here can get a work permit and stay legally. Those that can not will have to go somewhere else. These will not be a huge loss to Thailand, especially if they sweep up the ne'er-dowels at the same time. Just do things properly, and nothing to worry about. Break the laws, they are saying that it is going to stop.

I've not heard of people having there houses confiscated just because they are not allowed into Thailand through having no visa. The property would still be theirs, so that is a pretty daft thing to insinuate. If they do raise the retirement visa limit then this is only to reflect inflation - might result in less old timers falling out of buildings or jumping off of road bridges.

As for the increase in OS fine - how do you deduct that?

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Fair post that. Some posters do get quite silly when faced with change.

The sky's falling in sort of stuff.

It does surprise me Terry what people are upset with. They seem to be saying "well, I broke the law, using tourist visas for ages when I am not a tourist, but living here and working illegally, and it's unfair of them to enforce the law". Just bizarre.

Originally Posted by leemo

Our glorious leaders know that Thailand can manage very well thank you without illegal farangs.

Whilst technically most of us on here are "foreign nationals" I do not think they are singling out the ex SAS guys in Pattaya. This is a prelude to the "ASEAN thing"

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Yes, its a joke innit, I never consider them as anything more than a waste of Oxygen really.

I was told a month ago that this bloke was going to clean the place up and he is doing so at the highest level as proven by reading the newspapers.

Why not clean out the scum by working from the bottom up as well and those that contribute jack shit here.

Good on him.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

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When they run out of illegal Farangs the present administration can always increase the income requirement for retirement visas with no grandfathering for existing holders. That would make even more Farangs illegal. Even more property to be "fairly" distributed.

Reading the new regulations I suspect the maximum overstay fine is going to increase to ThB 45,000 (90 days at ThB 500).

Not sure why you object to it. They are tightening the loop hole that illegals have used in the past. Those working here can get a work permit and stay legally. Those that can not will have to go somewhere else. These will not be a huge loss to Thailand, especially if they sweep up the ne'er-dowels at the same time. Just do things properly, and nothing to worry about. Break the laws, they are saying that it is going to stop.

I've not heard of people having there houses confiscated just because they are not allowed into Thailand through having no visa. The property would still be theirs, so that is a pretty daft thing to insinuate. If they do raise the retirement visa limit then this is only to reflect inflation - might result in less old timers falling out of buildings or jumping off of road bridges.

As for the increase in OS fine - how do you deduct that?

The word is deduce.

A) Many long-term "tourists" have bought cars, electrical goods, even property. So someone who is prohibited from re-entering Thailand for, say, three years, is going to be either have those things stuck here which he cannot use, or sell them.

They are going to have to be sold, and fast. Not confiscated. Where did I say confiscated? No, the owners will sell them voluntarily.

B) Indeed, raise the retirement visa income limit by the level of Thai inflation since the last increase. How long do we give those retirees who no longer meet the requirements (the newly illegal ones) to get out? 24 hours? No need to confiscate their property, they too will want to sell....voluntarily of course.

C) Work permits. Yup if your work permit allows you to carry out your duties in Bangkok and work arises in Phuket nobody was really bothered previously. Now it's a fine if you're caught. Nasty illegals. Work permits are highly restrictive as to location and duties permitted.

D) The new overstay proposals do not impose any new "harsh" sanctions until the overstay exceeds 90 days. Between 40 and 90 days there is no difference in the penalty...yet. 90 days overstay and you are banned from re-entry for one year. There is clear scope to extend the maximum fine to ThB 45,000 ( ThB 500 x 90 days).


I'm not saying I disagree with any of the new regulations. I have not bought anything more expensive than a 3D TV in eleven years here. No intention of doing so either. We are all guests here, and have to re-apply for a new visa every year. The Thais are perfectly entitled to change the rules at any time.

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What is so hard about obtaining a proper visa and abiding by the Laws of the country ?

If the Illegals lose their stuff its their own actions that caused it EH.

Sort of stiff shit department.

Nothing, so long as you don't complain when the laws, or their application, change overnight and you have to leave. It's the people on retirement visas I feel sorry for, the ones who just manage to scrape the ThB 800,000 every year. They will be the next illegals to be affected, once they become illegal.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

What I don't get is the outpouring of hatred and bile over those who overstay How does a person overstaying affect anyone else here ?

Mate, you have got that wrong.

Its all about taking the piss out of the punters who consider they are being hard done by and discriminated against because at last they are being made to abide by Thailands Immigration rules.

Us who are legal don't really G.A.F.Fuk about their Visa problems.