Thread: All overstayers to be expelled and denied re-entry

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

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When they run out of illegal Farangs the present administration can always increase the income requirement for retirement visas with no grandfathering for existing holders. That would make even more Farangs illegal. Even more property to be "fairly" distributed.

Reading the new regulations I suspect the maximum overstay fine is going to increase to ThB 45,000 (90 days at ThB 500).

Not sure why you object to it. They are tightening the loop hole that illegals have used in the past. Those working here can get a work permit and stay legally. Those that can not will have to go somewhere else. These will not be a huge loss to Thailand, especially if they sweep up the ne'er-dowels at the same time. Just do things properly, and nothing to worry about. Break the laws, they are saying that it is going to stop.

I've not heard of people having there houses confiscated just because they are not allowed into Thailand through having no visa. The property would still be theirs, so that is a pretty daft thing to insinuate. If they do raise the retirement visa limit then this is only to reflect inflation - might result in less old timers falling out of buildings or jumping off of road bridges.

As for the increase in OS fine - how do you deduct that?

The word is deduce.

A) Many long-term "tourists" have bought cars, electrical goods, even property. So someone who is prohibited from re-entering Thailand for, say, three years, is going to be either have those things stuck here which he cannot use, or sell them.

They are going to have to be sold, and fast. Not confiscated. Where did I say confiscated? No, the owners will sell them voluntarily.

To be honest, I doubt that many of the long term overstayers are free of relationship attachments, and indeed that is probably the driving force behind their overstaying. I am sure the wifes/mistressess/giks will take good care of all the chattels until their return.

Originally Posted by terry57

Us who are legal don't really G.A.F.Fuk about their Visa problems.

Well not until there is a change in the law, or the manner in which the law is interpreted, which makes you illegal too.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Nothing, so long as you don't complain when the laws, or their application, change overnight and you have to leave. It's the people on retirement visas I feel sorry for, the ones who just manage to scrape the ThB 800,000 every year. They will be the next illegals to be affected, once they become illegal.

Mate. What I don't like about your posts is that you talk shit up that has not even happened. ?

I do find it rather annoying as you have no reason at all to posts it up. Its all bullshit and opinion.

Its all conjecture and not worth a pinch of piss.

Besides that, have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Well not until there is a change in the law, or the manner in which the law is interpreted, which makes you illegal too.

See, I rest my case mate. Nothing has happened has it ?

Legit people will remain legit.

Give it a rest EH.

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oh the bliss of naivety

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Mate, the punters who are smart enough to provide for their retirement in Thailand and not try and live on the smell of an oily rag will never have a problem.

The legit tourist will never have a problem, the people running legit businesses will never have a problem.

The people existing on the fringe may have a problem.

Ain't nothing wrong with that , get real or get out.

So you could potentially be banned from entering the country for 5 years because of a 1 day overstay. Pretty harsh.

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I read it as having to overstay more than 90 days to be blacklisted.

Penalties start after a 90 day overstay.

It says anyone apprehended on an overstay of less than 1 year will be banned for 5 years. so in reality you could be heading to the airport the day after your visa expired, be stopped and have passport checked, then be banned for 5 years because you are 1 day over.

Probably just the normal lack of clarity in Thai governmental pronouncements.

Doubt if you would be barred for 5 years for a one day overstay, but that's the "beauty" of the Thai system, it opens up so many possibilities, loopholes and goalpost moving scenarios that nobody knows where they stand until the day of reckoning itself and the whim of the official on that day is tested.

There are certain things our glorious leaders do not want, and high on that list is to isolate the Thai people.

So far they have a positive image through their stand against corruption, the 'happy' campaign, and holding together sentiment for the economy against hollow international condemnation. I doubt even our glorious leaders could satisfy liberal demands for total freedom towards a perfect world, but no serious person really wants that anyway.

Also pointless harping on about detainees and censorship, these are part and parcel of a military regime, and some might argue Thailand would be far better off if the previous junta echoed what our current glorious batch are doing instead of putting on pointed hats and fucking up everything they touched.

As for what is offered as a harsh set of visa rules, discretion is part of any decree, as with legitimate laws passed by elected governments, and all is decided on case by case. If an overstayer has a Thai family or an established relationship, I do not believe they would be deported. Perhaps a warning, a fine or even some days in the monkey house for an awesome oversight, but that's it.

If as it seems our glorious leaders will target willful overstayers and illegal workers to boot out, I have no ploplem with that. In fact the 'civilised' world might learn a lesson or two.

All of the above in context of so far, since we are clueless as to where all this is leading to.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

The government has ground our work to a crawl with mindnumbing bureaucracy

I've seen no difference at all. in fact, with somethings I have seen an improvement.

Originally Posted by taxexile

Penalties start after a 90 day overstay.

Not if you are caught rather than handing yourself in.

Originally Posted by terry57

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What is so hard about obtaining a proper visa and abiding by the Laws of the country ?

If the Illegals lose their stuff its their own actions that caused it EH.

Sort of stiff shit department.

Agree - it's their own fault. They know the rules, chose to break them, so there's the rub.

I wonder if they are going to clamp down on the visa offices that put up the financial security for people who have applied for retirement/ marriage visas?

Money is deposited by the visa office in the retiree's/ husband's bank account then withdrawn the following day.

I believe the amount deposited is around 750,000 baht.

If in fact they do put a stop to it I reckon you will see the number of retiree's/ farang husband's here diminish dramatically.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I wonder if they are going to clamp down on the visa offices that put up the financial security for people who have applied for retirement/ marriage visas?

Money is deposited by the visa office in the retiree's/ husband's bank account then withdrawn the following day.

I believe the amount deposited is around 750,000 baht.

If in fact they do put a stop to it I reckon you will see the number of retiree's/ farang husband's here diminish dramatically.

That would be a concern for a farang neighbor here, who uses that 'process' for his retirement visa renewal. He proudly boasted to me that he only had to pay 20,000 baht for the service and that it saved him from having to move his funds from another country.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I wonder if they are going to clamp down on the visa offices that put up the financial security for people who have applied for retirement/ marriage visas?

Immigration offices as well!

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I wonder if they are going to clamp down on the visa offices that put up the financial security for people who have applied for retirement/ marriage visas?

Money is deposited by the visa office in the retiree's/ husband's bank account then withdrawn the following day.

I believe the amount deposited is around 750,000 baht.

If in fact they do put a stop to it I reckon you will see the number of retiree's/ farang husband's here diminish dramatically.

That would be a concern for a farang neighbor here, who uses that 'process' for his retirement visa renewal. He proudly boasted to me that he only had to pay 20,000 baht for the service and that it saved him from having to move his funds from another country.

If he has it, a couple of days and the money would be there so what's the problem? Anyway how can they clamp down on it unless they wanted to see that amount consistently throughout the year.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

If he has it, a couple of days and the money would be there so what's the problem? Anyway how can they clamp down on it unless they wanted to see that amount consistently throughout the year.

I believe there is supposed to be an average balance of at least 800,000 baht for the past three months at the time of retirement visa renewal application. Apparently that rule is loosely followed if they are getting away with a deposit for only a couple of days.

I don't question this guy on where he gets his funds from or where he keeps them. To me, it's simpler just to follow the rule and have the cash on hand in my account here. Then it's here in case of an emergency, which is why I think the rule was put into place to begin with.

And 20,000 baht doesn't seem like such a good deal to me, even taking into account wire transfer costs. If you have an interest bearing account here, you can make a little bit. I think my account is earning about .5%, which is actually better than my savings account back in my home country.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I wonder if they are going to clamp down on the visa offices that put up the financial security for people who have applied for retirement/ marriage visas?

Money is deposited by the visa office in the retiree's/ husband's bank account then withdrawn the following day.

I believe the amount deposited is around 750,000 baht.

If in fact they do put a stop to it I reckon you will see the number of retiree's/ farang husband's here diminish dramatically.

This highlights a problem that is especially acute for British retirees.

The UK State pension is not upgraded in line with inflation, and therefore large numbers of retirees who are able to prove income of ThB 800,000 per annum, and have been able to do so for several years, would not be able to meet the new revised income level if it were upgraded for Thai inflation.

Some of these guys are already relying on the services you describe because they don't quite meet the income requirement and certainly do not have ThB 800,000 in the bank.

My guess is that their days are numbered.

They can choose to change or interpret laws and rules anyway they feel like doing at the time, the problem with living in tinpot countries such as Thailand is you have little chance of challenging and winning a case if you feel that the law has been misinterpreted by an official and you have been effected negatively because of the same.

I have some personal experience of this, we lost a house in Goa after building and owning it for almost 10 years because of these bureaucratic idiots.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

how can they clamp down on it unless they wanted to see that amount consistently throughout the year.

... and what is there to prevent the government doing exactly that?

What is so magical about ThB 800,000? We could easily wake up tomorrow and find it's ThB 1,200,000.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

would not be able to meet the new revised income level if it were upgraded for Thai inflation.

How do you know? How do you know that it will be pushed up, and even then that people will not find a way around with with short term loans etc.

A lot of what you are writing is speculation based upon your perception of the military leaders wanting to screw and piss of legitimate people living here, of which retirees is a big proportion. They know that retirees spend money here whether they bring hteir loot here in its entirety or not. You are making a link that is illogical - there is no comparison to illegal over stayers and tourist visa junkies with legitimate retirees and it's rather pointless you banging on about this trying to stir up a controversy where one does not exist.

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

What is so magical about ThB 800,000? We could easily wake up tomorrow and find it's ThB 1,200,000.

They could cancel the whole thing. Even then people would not have to leave straight away. With WPs and non imms you get a 7 day extension after which you can get tourist visas to come and sort your shit out.

I can not think of one negative of the Junta so far in terms of farangs living here legally. Can you?