Coup 2014 !!!! : Military 'takes control' in Thailand

**Waid** · 26-05-2014, 05:15 PM

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

**cyrille** · 26-05-2014, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by hillbilly

As a side note where many of the protestors have been taken is known as Theves Road. In Thai it sounds more like Thieves Road...

In Thai it sounds absolutely nothing whatsoever like 'Thieves Road'.

It's pronounced more like 'Tewet'.

**xanax** · 26-05-2014, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Waid

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

Not as bad on here as on TV, they are falling over themselves to praise the coup, of course they would be horrified if such illegality were to take place in their own countries. The last Govt should have arrested and put on trial those responsible for the 2006 coup, instead we had the reconciliation nonsense and they got away with it. Those responsible this time should end up facing charges.

**pseudolus** · 26-05-2014, 06:35 PM

I agree. Along with all the corrupt pt scum as well.

**pickel** · 26-05-2014, 06:50 PM

Can somebody give a basic translation for this. It comes from TratTV's facebook.

รวบเครือข่ายเสื้อแดงตราดเชื่อมโยงคดีขว้างระเบิดและ ยิงกลุ่มกปปส.ตราดจับได้ 2 คนทหารพรานพลีชีพ 1 ศพ รองผบ.กปช.จต.บอกให้รายละเอียดมากไม่ได้กลัวถูกตัดตอ น,พบเสื้อแดงและผ้าคาดหัวพร้อมรถยนต์"

เวลา ประมาณ 10.00 น.วันที่ 26 พฤษภาคม 2557 ร้อยเวรสอบสวน สภ.เขาสมิง ได้รับแจ้งว่ามีเหตุยิงปะทะระหว่างคนร้ายและทหารพราน นาวิกโยธินและมีทหาร เสียชีวิต 1 คน ที่บ้านเลขที่ 25 หมู่ 3 ต.ประณีต อ.เขาสมิง จ.ตราด ที่เป็นของนายณรงค์ กระจ่างแสง อายุประมาณ 40 ปี ที่เป็นเกษตรกรปลูกผลไม้

เมื่อเดินทางไปถึงพบชุดทหารนาวิกโยธินจากกองกำลังป้อ งกันจันทบุรีตราด(กปช.จต.) มีพลเรือตรีนพพร วุฒิรณฤทธ์ รองผบ.กปช.จต.อยู่ในที่เกิดเหตุพร้อมน.อ.เลอศัก ดิ์ คชนันท์ ผบ.หน่วยเฉพาะกิจนาวิกโยธินตราด และกำลังทหารนาวิกโยธินชุดคอมมอนโด รวมทั้งทหารพรานจากชุดควบคุมทหาร พรานนาวิกโยธินที่ 1 อ.บ่อไร่(ชค.ทพ.นย.ที่ 1 ) นำโดยน.อ.สุบรร ดีนอก หัวหน้าชค.ทพ.นย.ที่ 1 จำนวนนับ100 คนอยู่ในที่เกิดเหตุที่เป็นสวนผลไม้ ห่างจากบ้าน 100 เมตร พบศพของอาสาสมัครทหารพรายนาวิโยธินสังกัดชค.ทพ.นย.ที ่ 1 (บ่อไร่)นอนเสียชีวิตในลักษณะ นอนหงาย ที่ใบหน้ามีรอยกระสุนปืน 2 นัดยิงทะลุท้ายทอย ห่างจากศพพบปลอกกระสุนปืนลูกซอง 3 ปลอกตกอยู่ประมาณ 8 เมตร ทราบชื่อว่า อาสาสมัครทหารพรานวุฒินันท์ ศรีประสิทธิ อายุ 25 ปี บ้านเดิมอยู่ที่ อ.เมือง จ.สุรินทร์

โดยก่อนเกิดเหตุฝ่ายข่าวกรองทหารได้สืบทราบว่ามีคนร้ าย 3 คนเดินทางหลบหนีมาอาศัยอยู่ในบ้านหลังดังกล่าว จึงได้นำกำลังทหารนาวิกโยธิน และอาสาสมัครทหารพรานจากชค.ทพ.นย.ที่ 1 (บ่อไร่)เดินทางมาปิดล้อมบ้านหลังดังกล่าว และสามารถจับคนร้ายได้ 2 คน แต่คนร้ายอีก 1 คนยังหลบอยู่ในสวนผลไม้ จึงได้ให้น.อ.สุบรร ดีนอกนำกำลังทหารพรานเข้าทำการปิดล้อม แต่คนร้ายที่ซุ่มอยู่ในกอกล้วยเห็นผู้ตายลาดตะเวนเข้ ามาใกล้และออกนอกแถวจึงยิงด้วยอาวุธปืนลูกซองจนเสียช ีวิต

พลเรือตรีนพพร กล่าวว่า ทางหน่วยงานข่าวทหารได้แจ้งว่ามีคนร้ายเข้ามาอาศัยใน บ้านหลังดังกล่าวและเชื่อมโยงกับกลุ่มที่ขว้างระเบิด และใช้อาวุธสงครามยิงใส่กลุ่มกปปส.ตราดที่ชุมนุมเมื่ อวันที่ 22 กุมภาพันธ์ 2557 แต่ยังไม่สามารถระบุในรายละเอียดได้ ซึ่งคนร้ายได้ใช้อาวุธปืนลูกซองยิงทหารพรานเสียชีวิต ไป 1 คน แต่อีก 2 คนถูกจับได้ ซึ่งต้องขอร้องว่าทหารยังไม่สามารถให้รายละเอียดทั้ง หมดได้ในขณะนี้ เพียงให้ขอมูลคราวๆไปก่อนเนื่องจากอาจเกิดการฆ่าตัดต อนก่อนทำให้ไม่สามารถเชื่อมโยงถึงคนบงการได้ สำหรับคนร้าย 2 คนที่ถูกจับไป 2 คนก่อนหน้านี้ในวันที่ 24 พฤษภาคม 2557 และมีความเชื่อมโยงกันด้วย

สำหรับ การตรวจค้นภายในบ้านครั้งนี้พบ ชุดทหารลายพราง 1 ชุด เสื้อยืดดำ 1 ตัว รองเท้าบูท 1 คู มีดพก 1 เล่ม ผ้าพันคอสีแดงที่เขียนว่าปกป้องประชาธิปไตย ผ้าโพกหัวสีแดง

**robuzo** · 26-05-2014, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Waid

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

Maybe some of them like to fantasize about convenient it would be to be able to point a gun at people they disagree with and tell them to STFU and do what they are told. Because that is exactly what the coup amounts to.

**Dandyhole** · 26-05-2014, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by Waid

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

Maybe some of them like to fantasize about convenient it would be to be able to point a gun at people they disagree with and tell them to STFU and do what they are told. Because that is exactly what the coup amounts to.

Correct, no gun no coup

**Dandyhole** · 26-05-2014, 07:08 PM

Wonder how suthep is feeling right now, reality dawned perhaps, "he knows to much"

**robuzo** · 26-05-2014, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dandyhole

Originally Posted by robuzo

Originally Posted by Waid

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

Maybe some of them like to fantasize about convenient it would be to be able to point a gun at people they disagree with and tell them to STFU and do what they are told. Because that is exactly what the coup amounts to.

Correct, no gun no coup

Because no moral authority or legitimacy. Feudalism really scraping the barrel at the moment, all they have left is violence and the threat thereof.

**Tom Sawyer** · 26-05-2014, 07:13 PM

Disturbing developments at Victory Monument protest this evening (now over). The Army's PsyOps (trucks with loudspeakers) among other messages were telling the crowds "foreign media are bad" and "they just take the money and then go".. Samantha Hawley tweeted as did a couple of others on this. Barrow said no foreigner should go there at that time.

Is this a one-off? Or is it the beginning of a Junta vilification of the foreign media and maybe foreigners (westerners) in general?

**nidhogg** · 26-05-2014, 07:28 PM

Let us see if we can work it another way that does not offend the sensibilities of some (deleted) mod.

Originally Posted by Waid

Find it odd that many posters support takeover by a gang of organised thugs. No matter how the thugs try to dress up the situation, it is High Treason.

Please explain how it can be "high treason": when:

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-the-roy...r-without.html (M King Endorses Coup Leader Without Attending Ceremony)

**pickel** · 26-05-2014, 07:28 PM

^^
When I go through the checkpoints well after curfew, they merely smile and wave me through, so I guess they haven't got their orders yet. Or, you could just be paranoid.

**Tom Sawyer** · 26-05-2014, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

^^
When I go through the checkpoints well after curfew, they merely smile and wave me through, so I guess they haven't got their orders yet. Or, you could just be paranoid.

Yeah well on Koh Chang I guess there ain't much to do these days is there. Howz business pal? The soldiers are likely just happy to see ANYONE coming through even you -- snigger

**leemo** · 26-05-2014, 07:40 PM

This coup is far more lethal than the last, because among other incredibly undemocratic objectives it aims to destroy the Thaksin dynasty.

Anyone invested in the SET take note: when the patience of the international community finally wears thin screens will turn to blood as the evil farang starts thumping at the sell button.

I'm of a mind to piss off, just about had enough with buffalo people, governing monkeys and ruling lizards.

**robuzo** · 26-05-2014, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

^^
When I go through the checkpoints well after curfew, they merely smile and wave me through, so I guess they haven't got their orders yet. Or, you could just be paranoid.

Do it wearing a T-shirt with ไพร่ printed on it. Please.

**Tom Sawyer** · 26-05-2014, 07:41 PM

^^^
except the guys you see with the guns are just some Isan son who drew the short straw, and doesn't want to be there, while (ironically) the guys who profit and want this coup come from families who PAID to get their son into an officer's position to get a ticket on the Thai Amart/Military Gravy Train. The grunts don't deserve to be targeted, while the officers hide in the background and count their money. But that's where we're at.

Prayuth knows how dangerous this moment is.. If the troops turned against the officers by refusing to attack the people it would be really bloody, of course he and the Amart officers would eventually win, but that would be a disaster that could bring everything down in the weeks that would follow. That's why he needs to be very, very careful right now. He may be a hot head, but he's not stupid - nor are his advisers (well most of them one would think).

**buriramboy** · 26-05-2014, 07:42 PM

Hard to argue with this.....

Turdsak Numsakul Esq ‏@bkkbase · 2m
Imagine how dumb the average ThaiVisa user is. Now imagine them commenting on the coup. That's twitter. #ThaiCoup

**robuzo** · 26-05-2014, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

^^^
except the guys you see with the guns are just some Isan son who drew the short straw, and doesn't want to be there, while (ironically) the guys who profit and want this coup come from families who PAID to get their son into an officer's position to get a ticket on the Thai Amart/Military Gravy Train. The grunts don't deserve to be targeted, while the officers hide in the background and count their money. But that's where we're at.

Well then, Tom, the grunts are just going to have decide to which direction their guns should be turned.

I'd be surprised were they use Isaan-born soldiers in Isaan or even to suppress red demonstrations. Normally in situations in which the military uses troops on its own people they take care to use troops from a separate region.

One thing we should keep in mind is that rank and file troops are not generally well-trained in crowd control or policing- that sort of thing is best left to actual police. The Americans have made this mistake repeatedly in their imperial adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope these lads don't start to get twitchy or lose their minds as their brains boil inside their helmets under the midday sun.

In any case, in my opinion confronting the military directly in a contest of force in the capital is a fool's errand. Better to create a stronghold in a place more sympathetic to the cause. The big lizards have clearly been worried about the reds doing just this: http://asiancorrespondent.com/49429/...-a-new-threat/ A new cavalry unit in Thailand’s north-east: Old wish, new threat?

**Tom Sawyer** · 26-05-2014, 07:56 PM

^
Yeah agree. I reckon that's why that kid was crying.

**nidhogg** · 26-05-2014, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by leemo

This coup is far more lethal than the last, because among other incredibly undemocratic objectives it aims to destroy the Thaksin dynasty.

And that is probably a great deal of the problem. PT attempts to be a dynasty instead of a political party. You think that the appointments of Somchai (his brother in law) and Yingluck his "sister" as Pt leaders is of no significance?

**Rural Surin** · 26-05-2014, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Disturbing developments at Victory Monument protest this evening (now over). The Army's PsyOps (trucks with loudspeakers) among other messages were telling the crowds "foreign media are bad" and "they just take the money and then go".. Samantha Hawley tweeted as did a couple of others on this. Barrow said no foreigner should go there at that time.

Is this a one-off? Or is it the beginning of a Junta vilification of the foreign media and maybe foreigners (westerners) in general?

Rather to be expected, dontcha think?

Especially these days with so much info access available.....
Not so much the foreign press - but Thai-based/Thai language alternative sources. There is loads of it.

And they can't censor it all. These goons don't know how to monitor.

**pickel** · 26-05-2014, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by robuzo

Do it wearing a T-shirt with ไพร่ printed on it. Please.

That's more Betty and Tom's style, perhaps you should propose that to them.

**Rural Surin** · 26-05-2014, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Hard to argue with this.....

Turdsak Numsakul Esq ‏@bkkbase · 2m
Imagine how dumb the average ThaiVisa user is. Now imagine them commenting on the coup. That's twitter. #ThaiCoup

Heh.....

**Albert Shagnastier** · 26-05-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The Army's PsyOps (trucks with loudspeakers)

So funny? I'll bet you'd be shitting yourself if you were there when they were saying

I agree with what they're saying - most of the western journalists are completely ignorant to what's going on and covering only what they're told to, which in turn is interpreted to suit the agenda.

**cyrille** · 26-05-2014, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by KimDidMeGood

Originally Posted by taxexile

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

But PAD wanted no dialog

Agreed.

Nobody did.

That's why a coup was the only answer.

It was obvious back in november when this clusterfuck kicked off that there was never going to be any dialogue and that the longer it went on for the greater the propensity for inconvenience to the public and violence from the meathead fringegroups.

Thats why some posters with a more realistic and grounded understanding of the situation, myself included

, were calling for the generals to intervene
right from day one.

And now that Generals seized power, everything is solved and the country is magically back to unity, prosperity and stability?

Yes Kim, that was exactly our point of course.

Can I just ask - what gave it away?

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