Phi Phi : Canadian sisters found dead in Thai resort

**Sailing into trouble** · 18-06-2012, 01:45 PM

from what I have read the symptoms of the girls does not add up. Acute cyanide poisoning is fast acting no time for lesions to develop, vomiting, bleeding gums etc. These girls died a horrible slow death, but one that stopped them from attempting to get help. Or someone else did!

**yaangcome** · 18-06-2012, 05:54 PM

Cyanosis
Definition

Cyanosis is a physical sign causing bluish discoloration of the skin and mucous membranes. Cyanosis is caused by a lack of oxygen in the blood. Cyanosis is associated with cold temperatures, heart failure, lung diseases, and smothering. It is seen in infants at birth as a result of heart defects, respiratory distress syndrome, or lung and breathing problems.
Description

Blood contains a red pigment (hemoglobin) in its red blood cells. Hemoglobin picks up oxygen from the lungs, then circulates it through arteries and releases it to cells through tiny capillaries. After giving up its oxygen, blood circulates back to the lungs through capillaries and veins. Hemoglobin, as well as blood, is bright red when it contains oxygen, but appears dark or "bluish" after it gives up oxygen.
The blue discoloration of cyanosis is seen most readily in the beds of the fingernails and toenails, and on the lips and tongue. It often appears transiently as a result of slowed blood flow through the skin due to the cold. As such, it is not a serious symptom. However, in other cases cyanosis is a serious symptom of underlying disease.
Causes and symptoms

The blue color of the skin and mucous membranes is caused by a lack of oxygen in the blood. Low blood oxygen may be caused by poor blood circulation, or heart or breathing problems. It can also be caused by being in a low-oxygen environment or by carbon monoxide poisoning. More rarely, cyanosis can be present at birth as a sign of congenital heart disease, in which some of the blood is not pumped to the lungs where oxygen would make the blood a bright red color. Instead, the blood goes to the rest of the body and remains unoxygenated. Cyanosis also may be caused by poisoning from chemicals, drugs, or contaminated food and water.
Other signs of low blood oxygen may accompany cyanosis, including feeling lightheaded or fainting.

**Hampsha** · 18-06-2012, 06:38 PM

Wonder how these people got to the Island. How long after arrival are the deaths of most of these people dying here and there? Seems like these girls just arrived.

FarangRed · 18-06-2012, 07:50 PM

Did the get raped? check there pussy for spunk

**The Tea Man** · 18-06-2012, 08:09 PM

Looks like they are going say it was food poisoning, i just read it on the Bangkok Post site. Mushrooms or Blowfish. If that is the final decision i hope they don't leave it at that. Where ever they got that food someone should be held accountable.

**The Tea Man** · 18-06-2012, 08:12 PM

Food poisoning likely cause of sisters' death
Published: 18/06/2012 at 06:12 PMOnline news: Local News
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BANGKOK - Police on Monday promised a swift investigation into the death of two Canadian sisters found in their hotel room on a popular Phi Phi resort island.

The bodies of Audrey and Noemi Belanger, aged 20 and 26, from Quebec province, were found Friday by hotel staff on Phi Phi island, in Phuket province, in the Andaman Sea, showing signs of having suffered an extreme toxic reaction.

According to The Phuket News online edition, a physician who performed a preliminary examination, Dr Komkrit Phukrityakame said he believed the two were victims of food poisoning.

"The source could have been a meal which included blowfish or poisonous mushrooms," Krabi Hospital director Kromkit said.

Police said on Sunday that "serious food poisoning" might have been to blame, but the authorities stressed then that it was too early to pinpoint the cause of the deaths.

"We will send all evidence to Bangkok's forensic department this afternoon and ask them to process it quickly to establish what killed them," said Krabi province police chief Jamroon Reunrom.

"As well as the police forensic team, a team from the health ministry's department of disease control also came to help, but we could not say right now what is the cause of the deaths," he added.

"I prefer to wait for formal results from the police forensic team in Bangkok."

Officials said they found vomit in the room and there was haemorrhaging of the sisters' lips and gums. Their fingernails and toenails had turned blue.

They said there was no indication of a violent struggle inside the room at the Palm Residence Hotel. The hotel manager declined to speak to AFP.

Phi Phi island is one of Thailand's top tourist destinations, made famous by the 2000 film The Beach starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

Thailand, which has cultivated an image as the "Land of Smiles", is a tourist magnet, but visitor deaths are not uncommon.

Two tourists, a Norwegian and an American, fell ill and died on Phi Phi in 2009 but the exact cause has not been established.

Uncertainly also remains over six deaths -- including four in a single hotel -- in northern Chiang Mai last year. Authorities said poisoning by pesticides or other chemicals was the likely cause of most of those fatalities.

FarangRed · 18-06-2012, 08:23 PM

Now fuk off all of ya, two of them at the same time not having it, neither of them could get to the door or pick up the phone or whatever, this stinks

**superman** · 18-06-2012, 08:25 PM

^ Not as much as their room must 'ave done once they'd vomited ?

FarangRed · 18-06-2012, 08:32 PM

^well you understand what I mean

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Kwang

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

It was murder by rat poison until proven otherwise.

Do you have a PHD in forensic Science Guy ?
You have mentioned Rat Poisoning about 10 times now. You seem to know more than a lot of specialists out there, or think you do.

Wouldn't the Warfarin have showed up by now in the Lab reports ?

I don't know for a 100% certainty about any of this.

It appears clear that they died of poison. Rat poison (or pharmaceutical warfarin for humans) is one of the very few possibilities if they really had bleeding gums as the reports indicated.

I saw how the Thais sewed confusion and misinformation about the previous Phi Phi and Chaing Mai poisoning deaths. Like I said, let THEM prove it WASN'T poisoning of some sort.

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

Could it be possible that some bastard is loose in LOS?

For a country that just caught one of its serial poisoners (he earned a 1,000 baht per car stolen this way)---yes.

For a country that has people who have proven over and over again that poisoning is one of their favorite methods of suicide and homicide---yes. (I recal the grandmother who killed several of her kids and grandkids with poison).

For a country that admits to having 100 hitmen-for-hire running loose at any moment---yes.

But could the killer of these Western women be a Westerner (or non-Thai)--yes.

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by superman

In May 2009 cyanide was found in one of the women that died then, but wasn't found later. Cyanide actually disappears over a period of time naturally. I'll stick with 'cyanide poisoning'.

Cyanide doesn't cause bleeding gums.

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by KAPPA

The problem is not one of these deaths has been autopsied properly.

True, but wasn't there a report that the Thais were seen meticulously cleaning the crime scene. See...they DO have attention-to-detail.

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

from what I have read the symptoms of the girls does not add up. Acute cyanide poisoning is fast acting no time for lesions to develop, vomiting, bleeding gums etc. These girls died a horrible slow death, but one that stopped them from attempting to get help. Or someone else did!

And if they really did have bleeding gums, and if that was really caused by rat poison, it turns out this poison has a slow onset of action, such that, for example, by the time you know you are sick, taking activated charcoal will do no good. (It takes 24 hours for bleeding disorders to manifest after warfarin rat poison ingestion).

**guyinthailand** · 18-06-2012, 09:18 PM

"According to The Phuket News online edition, a physician who performed a preliminary examination, Dr Komkrit Phukrityakame said he believed the two were victims of food poisoning.

"The source could have been a meal which included blowfish or poisonous mushrooms," Krabi Hospital director Kromkit said".

"Officials said they found vomit in the room and there was haemorrhaging of the sisters' lips and gums. Their fingernails and toenails had turned blue".

I cannot find in the medical literature where blowfish are said to cause coagulation disorders that would cause bleeding gums.

Poisonous mushrooms if they contain something called involutin, can cause blood in the urine and renal failure, which renal (kidney) failure can cause bleeding gums. ("Mushrooms that contain involutin may cause a life-threatening immune-mediated hemolysis with hemoglobinuria and renal failure"). Medscape: Medscape Access

So it is possible poisonous mushrooms are the culprit.

If that is the case, then the question must be asked: 'how is it that poisonous mushrooms were served to ONLY these two women out of the thousands of tourists on Phi Phi that day?'

If they were deliberately poisoned, then our killer has gotten smarter as he is not using a man-made poison, but one which can appear to have been ingested 'accidentally'.

**BobR** · 18-06-2012, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Tea Man

Looks like they are going say it was food poisoning, i just read it on the Bangkok Post site. Mushrooms or Blowfish. If that is the final decision i hope they don't leave it at that. Where ever they got that food someone should be held accountable.

Below is from the thread on those poor fishermen who died in Sattahip in February after eating blow fish. This person actually wants to legalize the sale of puffer fish, wonder if that idiotic idea ever got through? I might try it in a Japanese restaurant in Japan, but not in Thailand.

"BANGKOK, 18 February 2012 - The Public Health Ministry is poised to make the sales of puffer fish meat legal in the near future.
Mr. Surawit Khonsomboon, Deputy Minister of Public Health, said that the Health Ministry has been informed that fishermen in Samut Songkhram Province have continually caught 100-150 tons of puffer fish as the bycatch every day.
Sold at between THB70-300 a kilo, this bycatch can translate into a huge amount of revenue for fishermen, Mr. Surawit said."

Public Health Ministry to amend law on puffer fish meat sales - Pattaya Mail - Pattaya News, Communities, Opinions and much more...

**kingwilly** · 18-06-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by ltnt

Chlorine fumes stop the lungs from functioning and the person suffocates. This is the reason for the bloody eyes, gums etc.

I don't believe it's been claimed they had bloody eyes.

Chlorine doesn't cause bleeding gums, or bruising. Medscape: Medscape Access

It wasn't chlorine.

It was murder by rat poison until proven otherwise.

Why dont you call the fuckin coroner then, since you are so sure.

**Seekingasylum** · 18-06-2012, 10:04 PM

The irony is that some of the more demented among forum members here actually seem to be arguing that a diagnosis of the cause of death based on food poisoning is somehow less dramatic than other means.

Personally, I know of no other destination whereby I may meet my maker through the simple act of eating other than Asia. Personal hygiene, food safety and the simple rule of any law preventing craven profit undermining public safety only exists institutionally in Asia by its absence.

Asians are by nature pieces of unalduterated shite and would sell their children to make a profit. Ghastly people who eat bugs, monkeys and fermented shark's penis.

Best to eat at McDonalds, Burger King and KFC if one wishes to avoid unnecessary unpleasantness.

**socal** · 18-06-2012, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

'how is it that poisonous mushrooms were served to ONLY these two women out of the thousands of tourists on Phi Phi that day?'

They were probably rookies. Ate too much at one time or their bodies couldn't take it.

**StrontiumDog** · 18-06-2012, 10:07 PM

Did Canadian sisters die of blowfish poisoning? Bodies of two women sent to Bangkok for more tests as police remain baffled by violent deaths

Audrey and Noemi Belanger, 20 and 26, were college students from a well-known family in a small Quebec town
Initial expert examination suggests exotic food may have been the cause of their death
Pair found dead and covered in vomit and skin lesions in hotel room on resort island of Phi Phi
Case is similar to an American and a Norwegian who died in 2009

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 07:42 GMT, 18 June 2012 | UPDATED: 08:16 GMT, 18 June 2012

Two Canadian sisters found dead in a Thai hotel room may have died from food poisoning caused by eating blowfish or poisonous mushrooms.

Audrey and Noemi Belanger, aged 20 and 26, were found on Friday, June 15 by a hotel maid, three days after they were last seen while on a night out.

Officials said the sisters were covered in vomit, had skin lesions and were bleeding from their gums. Both women's fingernails and toenails were blue and had blood under them.

Toxic: Thai police suspect Audrey and Noemi Belanger, pictured, may have been the victims of 'serious food poisoning' in Thailand

Well-known: The Belanger sisters, pictured here with their family, are popular in the small Quebec town where they grew up

Dr Komkrit Phukrityakame, Director of Krabi Hospital, said today he had carried out an initial examination, The Phuket News reports.

He said he suspected the pair had been poisoned, and that the source could have been a meal which included blowfish or poisonous mushrooms.

The popular college students, who were from a small town in Quebec, near the border with Maine, were discovered at the Phi Phi Palm Residence Hotel on the tourist resort island of Phi Phi.

Thai police had previously said they suspected the sisters may have succumbed to 'serious food poisoning.'

Muang Krabi police chief Thaksin Pochakorn said there were no signs of a struggle in their rooms or on their bodies.

Pol Col Thaksin told the Bangkok Post: 'We are waiting for the post-mortem examination of the victims' inner organs to see if there are any traces of toxic substances.'

Bodies: Local paramedics, pictured, took the sisters to hospital after hotel staff discovered them dead

Body bags: The sisters' bodies, pictured, will undergo autopsies to confirm how the women died

Lt Col Rat Somboon, of the Krabi Provincial Police, said he estimated the women had been dead for between 12 and 20 hours when their bodies were discovered.

Police said initial investigations did not indicate any violence in their hotel room. Investigators have ruled out foul play.

Lt Col Jongrak Pimthong said: 'There were neither signs of fighting, nor robbery, but we found many kinds of over-the-counter-drugs, including ibuprofen, which can cause serious effects on the stomach.'

The women, from a well-know family the town of Pohenegamook, about 150 miles northeast of Quebec City, had checked into the hotel on Tuesday.

Lt Siwa Saneha of Phi Phi Island police said: 'They went out and came back to their room that same night, but stayed in their room all day on Wednesday.

'A maid knocked on the door to clean the room on Thursday, but there was no response, so the maid thought the women needed more rest and left.'

Tragedy: This is the Phi Phi Palm Residence Hotel, where the two sisters were found dead by a maid

Island: The sisters were holidaying on Phi Phi Island, pictured, in Thailand

Paradise: Phi Phi Island, pictured, is where the Canadian sisters were found dead on Friday

He said hotel staff became concerned for their welfare and used the master key to enter the room.

Col Somboon said: 'There was a lot of vomit in the room, and both bodies showed similar signs [of trauma].

'They had skin lesions and it seemed that they had bled from the gums. Also, their fingernails and toenails were blue.

'We will have experts conduct tests on the vomit and urine samples taken from the scene to try to determine the cause of death.'

In a similar case in May 2009, an American woman and a Norwegian woman died after suffering severe vomiting and dehydration at a Phi Phi guesthouse. The cause of death was never determined.

Phi Phi Island in the Andaman sea is 500 miles south of Bangkok. The sisters bodies were taken to Krabi Hospital on the Thai mainland before being sent to Bangkok today.

The close knit Canadian community where the sisters came from has been in mourning following their shocking death.

Joanie Ouellet, a former colleague of one of the pair, said on Saturday: 'The mood is quite sad in the town today.'

The sisters’ great-aunt, Colette Belanger, said she heard about the deaths on the news.

'I doubted that it was Audrey and Noemi,' she said.

Blowfish, is extremely poisonous if not prepared properly, but considered a delicacy in Japan and is eaten by thrill-seeking gourmets.

Blowfish poison, called tetrodotoxin, is nearly 100 times more poisonous than potassium cyanide, and can cause death within an hour and a half after consumption.

Read more: Audrey and Noemi Belanger: Did Canadian sisters die of blowfish poisoning at Phi Phi Islands hotel? | Mail Online

**Seekingasylum** · 18-06-2012, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by superman

In May 2009 cyanide was found in one of the women that died then, but wasn't found later. Cyanide actually disappears over a period of time naturally. I'll stick with 'cyanide poisoning'.

Cyanide doesn't cause bleeding gums.

Look, you gormless pustule, the bodies were not discovered until at least 20 hours after death. Are you aware of the process of hypostasis and putrefaction?

**Seekingasylum** · 18-06-2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

'how is it that poisonous mushrooms were served to ONLY these two women out of the thousands of tourists on Phi Phi that day?'

They were probably rookies. Ate too much at one time or their bodies couldn't take it.

Are your parents related? I only ask because you are so fucking stupid, and clearly devoid of any rationale that may separate you from, say, a demented snuffling hedgehog drunk on mescalin, that you must be a congenital idiot.

Do you have a full complement of fingers etc? Do your eyes squint and are your ears aligned? Do you have a hunchback, one leg shorter than the other and answer to the name of Merrick?

In short, are you a moron or is it just a question of oxygen starvation at birth?

**socal** · 18-06-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

'how is it that poisonous mushrooms were served to ONLY these two women out of the thousands of tourists on Phi Phi that day?'

They were probably rookies. Ate too much at one time or their bodies couldn't take it.

Are your parents related? I only ask because you are so fucking stupid, and clearly devoid of any rationale that may separate you from, say, a demented snuffling hedgehog drunk on mescalin, that you must be a congenital idiot.

Do you have a full complement of fingers etc? Do your eyes squint and are your ears aligned? Do you have a hunchback, one leg shorter than the other and answer to the name of Merrick?

In short, are you a moron or is it just a question of oxygen starvation at birth?

No, no, nope, no, no, no

no and no.

If these were 2 Thai girls you would probably be one of the first to say "ah mixing extacy and yabba aint a good idea"

**Kwang** · 18-06-2012, 11:00 PM

^^ Harsh but Fair.

Guy is all over the other channel too.

Here's what Annabel has to say about him

Dear God and Mediators ... where are you ?? Can anyone get this "guyinthailand" guy OFF the TV posts ...? Really he is the most annoying poster I have ever seen

**The Tea Man** · 18-06-2012, 11:44 PM

Are there restaurants in Thailand with Blowfish on the menu? I thought that was only a Japanese thing. I know it's sometimes mistakenly eaten here (hard as that is to believe as it's a very distinctive looking fish), but i've never seen it in a market or on a menu.

If it were mushrooms served in a meal (not magic mushrooms) there'd surely be more victims though.

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