Phi Phi : Canadian sisters found dead in Thai resort

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're just making it up.

I f*#king lived in Chiang Mai. You stayed in the Downtown Inn "several weeks before the deaths" and saw some women in the hotel lobby? Big f*#ing deal. I lived there. There are more men Western tourists there. And, like I said, even for the sake of argument if it were 50/50 (basically the ratio on the planet), then the disproportionate Western female deaths are still noteworthy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And do you know who sprayed their rooms?

Yes, I know who did it: a killer. A killer either slipped some (insecticide, likely) in their food/drinks probably at the Night Bazaar, or plopped a couple of 3 gram Aluminum phosphide tablets in the room ACs. Why do all you guys who continually rant and rave about the depravity and lethality of Thailand all of a sudden think a killer WASN'T involved here? This wasn't an 'accidental poisoning'. If it were then we'd see a lot more like them in Thailand. And it would be 50/50 men/women who die if it were accidental. We see neither of those.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And you are forgetting one more important likelihood, that the odd Thai death, male or female, will probably not make the English press, which is exactly what happened at the Doom Town Inn until the deaths that followed led them to investigate further and discover that the body of a Thai was removed down the hotel fire escape.

Nonsense. The Thai press is full of murders, rapes, beheadings, burning charred remains in fires, shootings, stabbings, poisonings, ad nauseum. I've lived in Thailand for years with my Thai wife and we've never heard of this kind of suddenly drop-dead thing, though I did witness first hand many of our villagers becoming ill from chronic (long term) exposure to pesticides, some of them eventually succumbing to slow deaths from, say, liver failure. But never a story of suddenly dropping dead...EXCEPT...WAIT! I stand corrected!...EXCEPT the reported-in-the-Thai-press homicides by poisonings including the recent Thai guy who killed 6 or so people with Lannate (methomyl) in their coffees to steal their cars and the Thai grandmother who killed members of her family with poison--oh, yeah, they all dropped dead pretty dang fast).

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Troy

Oh what fun...I have time on my hands tonight... spider said to the fly... due to the missing...food poisoning tropics allergy and etc....but you don't mis-quote ...dumbhead...Oh Typhoid ..

Citation, please. I showed you how in no way could these deaths be typhoid, and yet here you come again with your broken record not backed up by anything whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Troy

walking through dirty water.......Oh No need to go further...this was simply to show a different entry for bacteria (besides oral).

You are a comedian!

Originally Posted by Troy

STUPID F!CKING MORON prepended to them.

Troy just taught me a new word.

Originally Posted by Troy

a lack of hygiene...rather than a f!cking murderer.

I'm speechless...too funny for words.

Originally Posted by Troy

long as your views are the accepted norm...more people will die

Wait! Troy, ace detective finally figured it out: it's Guyinthailand who killed them!

Brilliant, Troy, now let's hear your next insightful post.

Originally Posted by Troy

Understand...FUCKHEAD????

**Troy** · 26-06-2012, 02:14 AM

Sorry...you have said enough to make me think you will not be able to add anything significant in the case of the girls' deaths.

Nothing more to say really....bye-bye...

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 02:15 AM

Okay, bye.

How much do I owe you for the hilarity you provided?

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 04:25 PM

Nothing, you're slavish desperation to prove yourself right without anything other than anecdotal evidence is entertainment enough.

I f*#king lived in Chiang Mai. You stayed in the Downtown Inn "several weeks before the deaths" and saw some women in the hotel lobby? Big f*#ing deal. I lived there

I've stayed in the hotel many times, always the same pattern. I've been visiting Chiang Mai year round for 12 years, always the same demographics on flights, in town always the same mix of foreigners (in tourist areas and off the beaten track), and you haven't given me one shred of evidence otherwise - unless you spent all your time in the Spotlight and Loi Kroh, because those are the ONLY places where foreign males are predominant.

Losing your rag doesn't disprove anything I'm saying, and frankly you know I'm right.

And the same goes for Phi Phi. 80% male is utter bollocks and you know it.

Get real.

**Nando** · 26-06-2012, 05:26 PM

Shit Harry!!! In the relegation zone and you waste your time talking to this idiot when you could be sorting out your team...Get your priorities right man. You don't want Withnail to beat you

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Nothing, you're slavish desperation to prove yourself right without anything other than anecdotal evidence is entertainment enough.
And the same goes for Phi Phi. 80% male is utter bollocks and you know it.

Thailand Tourism Review
Okay, so I was off in the exact number, I stand corrected. But the figures are still lopsided and my point still stands.

So you can see the actual figures are and have been approximately 60% male to 40% female.

So, with 11 poisoning deaths, 9 of them were women (82%) and 8 of them were Western women (73% Western women dead versus the 40% Western women who visit Thailand)

The deaths we're discussing involve mostly Western women. Not western men. Not Thai men. Not Thai women. (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted)

Yet 73% of these poisoning deaths were Western women but the figure is much higher if you compare who died against not just male tourists but also compare it to who else could have been poisoned but wasn't: Thai men and Thai women (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted). When you compare it that way, it is even more bizarre.

**socal** · 26-06-2012, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Nothing, you're slavish desperation to prove yourself right without anything other than anecdotal evidence is entertainment enough.
And the same goes for Phi Phi. 80% male is utter bollocks and you know it.

Thailand Tourism Review
Okay, so I was off in the exact number, I stand corrected. But the figures are still lopsided and my point still stands.

So you can see the actual figures are and have been approximately 60% male to 40% female.

So, with 11 poisoning deaths, 9 of them were women (82%) and 8 of them were Western women (73% Western women dead versus the 40% Western women who visit Thailand)

The deaths we're discussing involve mostly Western women. Not western men. Not Thai men. Not Thai women. (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted)

Yet 73% of these poisoning deaths were Western women but the figure is much higher if you compare who died against not just male tourists but also compare it to who else could have been poisoned but wasn't: Thai men and Thai women (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted). When you compare it that way, it is even more bizarre.

Point being ?

Western women think they can go anywhere in the world with no issues just because guys do. They can't handle it.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Thailand Tourism Review
Okay, so I was off in the exact number, I stand corrected. But the figures are still lopsided and my point still stands.

So you can see the actual figures are and have been approximately 60% male to 40% female.

So, with 11 poisoning deaths, 9 of them were women (82%) and 8 of them were Western women (73% Western women dead versus the 40% Western women who visit Thailand)

The deaths we're discussing involve mostly Western women. Not western men. Not Thai men. Not Thai women. (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted)

Yet 73% of these poisoning deaths were Western women but the figure is much higher if you compare who died against not just male tourists but also compare it to who else could have been poisoned but wasn't: Thai men and Thai women (with the exception of the Thai woman killed in Downtown Inn noted). When you compare it that way, it is even more bizarre.

Yes, all the single men that go to Thailand go to Chiang Mai & Phi Phi, don't they?

No, they go to Bangkok or Pattaya (and arguably a small percentage to Patong).

Your statistics are even more feeble than your quixotic arguments.

And unless you are reading every paper in Thailand it's unlikely that you'll hear about every Thai death, there's been more than a few when I've been there that have never made the press, even local.

Put simply this is why I think your serial killer theory is patently absurd and the explanation is much simpler.

As long as you keep trying to use this statistical invention to support your argument, your argument will be flawed.

If the police investigated even Chiang Mai properly, they would have come to the conclusion (which eventually surfaced) of environmental toxins, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up drawing the same conclusion here.

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If the police investigated even Chiang Mai properly, they would have come to the conclusion (which eventually surfaced) of environmental toxins, and I wouldn't be surprised if they end up drawing the same conclusion here.
As long as you keep trying to use this statistical invention to support your argument, your argument will be flawed.

That is hilarious! What "environmental toxins"? give the citation and url where they 'came to that conclusion'

And of course they'll probably come to that 'conclusion' with the Phi Phi deaths. Gets em off the hook.

My 'argument' goes way beyond statistics. I showed over and over in my posts how extremely unlikely it is that all of these deaths in the two Phi Phi 'incidents' and Chiang Mai deaths could have been accidental.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 09:47 PM

The toxic pesticide they found in the hotel room, from the company the police raided on the quiet.

The one that you wouldn't believe, because it doesn't fit your crazy serial killer theory.

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The toxic pesticide they found in the hotel room, from the company the police raided on the quiet.

The one that you wouldn't believe, because it doesn't fit your crazy serial killer theory.

I showed that chlorpyrifos--which they found traces of in the room--is the most heavily used pesticide in the world, so of course they found traces of it in Chiang Mai. Every hotel room in Thailand has probably been sprayed with the stuff.

But try and understand some basic science and toxicology, harrybaracuda. Put your thinking cap on.

Chlorpyrifos can not kill 'accidentally' because in order to kill by skin contact you would need several ounces of liquid poured on you and remain on you. So getting it from the sheets doesn't compute.

And you can't die by inhalation from it unless someone sprayed a thick, toxic cloud of the stuff in the room and then locked the door. That didn't happen.

If they did really die of chlorpyrifos, then they would have had to drink it, where only a teaspoon or so will do the trick.

Here, read this:
https://teakdoor.com/1755335-post207.html

Do you understand now?

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 10:31 PM

If it's alright with you, rather than listen to your gumshoe research from the Internet, I'd rather quote the actual toxic chemical specialist who was asked to investigate:

United Nations chemical expert, Dr Ron McDowall, said he was confident Miss Carter's symptoms and death were linked to CY poisoning.
‘Their reaction was that it is clear, it's CY poisoning - we've seen it before, the symptoms are the same, the pathology is the same and the proxy indicates that the chemical was in the room,’ Dr McDowall said.
‘I think she’s been killed by an overzealous sprayer who has been acting on the instructions of the hotel owner to deal with the bed bugs.’

If you would like to give us your credentials so that we can compare them with Dr. McDowall's, please go ahead, otherwise sit down, open a coke and STFU.

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If it's alright with you, rather than listen to your gumshoe research from the Internet, I'd rather quote the actual toxic chemical specialist who was asked to investigate:

United Nations chemical expert, Dr Ron McDowall, said he was confident Miss Carter's symptoms and death were linked to CY poisoning.
‘Their reaction was that it is clear, it's CY poisoning - we've seen it before, the symptoms are the same, the pathology is the same and the proxy indicates that the chemical was in the room,’ Dr McDowall said.
‘I think she’s been killed by an overzealous sprayer who has been acting on the instructions of the hotel owner to deal with the bed bugs.’

If you would like to give us your credentials so that we can compare them with Dr. McDowall's, please go ahead, otherwise sit down, open a coke and STFU.

UN chemical 'expert' Dr Ron McDowall is an idiot. All he has to do is look at the scientific literature to see it couldn't have been from dermal or inhalation (if it was chlorpyrifos). For him to say, 'gee, they found traces in the room, therefore they died of it' is sheer idiocy.

If his theory were correct we'd see many, many cases of people dying from chlorpyrifos poisoning since it is sprayed more than any other insecticide.

Thousands of people are spraying it right now, at this moment, unprotected, breathing clouds of the stuff, all over their skin...and they're getting sick long term, but they're not suddenly dropping over dead.

It is not surprising they found traces of Chlorpyrifos in the room. The stuff is the most widely used insecticide in the world. Chlorpyrifos may have been the culprit--I've said all along insecticides were at top of suspicion list--BUT...Nope, can't be from the sheets, the air or the walls. It takes 4 ounces (at least) on the skin of an adult to kill so the sheets would have had to have been soaked in the stuff. Soaked. And they would have had to have gotten the entire 4 ounces squeezed out of the sheets and onto just one body. Sorry, this 'sheet theory' doesn't wash.

Plus there are very few--if any--cases of sudden deaths in the scientific literature resulting from dermal (skin) exposure.

"Chlorpyrifos is the world's leading insecticide in volume terms(2). The acute oral LD50 (the Lethal Dose required to kill half of a population of laboratory test animals) for chlorpyrifos is between 135-165 mg/kg for rats(7). The dermal LD50 for chlorpyrifos in male and female rats is greater than 2,000 mg/kg. It is classified by the World Health Organisation as a Class II, 'moderately hazardous' pesticide(8)." http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles...rifos-ext.html
and
Chlorpyrifos

So you can see that the dose needed to kill by dermal (skin) is 2,000 mg per kg body weight, which is equal to 2 grams per kg body weight. Chiang Mai victims weighed, let's say, around 60 kg each, so to die from skin exposure they would have needed to have had 120 grams poured on them--about four ounces.

But to die from oral exposure one only need 135 mg per kg or about 7 grams total to kill 50% of a any 60kg group exposed. A teaspoon of the stuff will weigh close to 7 grams so I would indeed like to see the fatuous governor or Chiang Mai, the idiot who has already said the 7 Chiang Mai deaths (see link below) are coincidences and who now says he will eat a "spoon" of it--I'd very much like to see him eat a teaspoon of chlorpyrifos while the cameras are rolling so we can determine if he is in the 50% that will live but get extremely sick, or in the group of 50% that will die. And if he uses a TABLEspoon instead of a teaspoon? His contortions and writhing and foaming at the mouth and respiratory arrest will make fantastic viewing on websites.

"The 4-hour inhalation LC50 (lethal concentration) for chlorpyrifos in rats is greater than 200 mg/m3. Three hundred and nineteen human exposure incidents were reported by the Pesticide Incident Monitoring System (PIMS) from 1970 through 1981, most resulting from inhalation and dermal exposure. Three human deaths were caused by chlorpyrifos" Chlorpyrifos
200mg/sq meter in a 5x5x3 hotel room would mean a 15 gram cloud of the stuff would have to be hanging around the room for four hours. So very doubtful the just suddenly dropped dead from breathing the stuff.

So you can see that out of the 319 exposures reported in 11 years in this one study, there were 3 deaths from the stuff even though most of the reported exposures were by inhalation and dermal exposure. (and the three deaths may have been from ingestion--study doesn't say). There aren't too many cases (or any) of sudden deaths from inhalation just as there aren't many sudden deaths from dermal exposure because you need so much of the stuff to die by these routes. Many people made really sick by skin exposure and breathing? Sure. But not sudden deaths by skin or breathing it.

To reliably and quickly die from the stuff you have to eat only about a teaspoon of it. Not hard to slip a teaspoon of the stuff into an exotic drink or dish at a crowded market.

Plus, chlorpyrifos is sprayed all over the world in vast quantities and you never hear about people healthy one minute and dead the next who lay on some sheets or breathed some of it.

Plus, the Chiang Mai victims were staying in three different hotels, making it even more unlikely for skin exposure or breathing exposure.

And it probably would have been noticed if in the air or on the sheets.("Chlorpyrifos has a mild mercaptan (thiol) odor, similar to the smell of sulfur compounds found in rotten eggs, onions, garlic and skunks")

The poison doesn't have to be chlorpyrifos, which apparently does have a smell---but, then again, if a little tiny teaspoon of it were put in a giant tropical drink or a spicy, garlic, onion dish---would you notice? At any rate, there are hundreds of pesticides many of them odorless and colorless.

But drink a tiny amount of the stuff and you're a 'gonner' quickly.

Let's all quit pretending that Thailand is the only country in the world without serial killers. Just because you don't hear about them in the Thai media only means the Thais don't do thorough investigations and, if they were to actually find one who was killing tourists, would be very likely to cover it up. To rule out a serial killer without a full investigation is a mistake no Western detective would make--unless the evidence was overwhelming.

(and the killer may very well be a non-Thai, especially given that most of the deaths are Western women. If the killer were Thai it is perhaps likely he'd be killing Thai women, too)

To read about the other, more recent, suspicious deaths (from Chiang Mai) that fit the pattern of the first set (2009) of Koh Phi Phi victims go here:
http://teak (NZ woman in Thailand food poisoning death) (NZ woman in Thailand food poisoning death)

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:28 PM

Like I said, where are your credentials?

Answer: You don't fucking have any, so case closed. You're not a policeman. You're not a toxicologist. You're not a pathologist.

You're just an armchair Internet expert.

Statement relating to death of Sarah Carter in Chiang Mai

Ron Laurence McDowall New Zealander Aged 59 Years

I have been working in the area of toxic, dangerous and hazardous chemicals since 1971. I am a consultant for toxic chemicals to the United Nations working for UNEP Geneva(Basel Convention) UNEP- Stockholm convention and UNEP FAO.
I am a scientist/ Engineer and I am mission specialist for UN-FAO in POPs. The toxic chemicals I work (and specialize) with are PCBs (Polychlorinated biphenyl’s), OC (Organochlorines), OPs (Organophosphates) and POPs (Persistent Organic Pollutants) including Dioxins and furans. The chemicals and their wastes are the most dangerous on the planet.
I have been responsible for the clean up of these dangerous chemicals from hundreds of towns and cities all over the undeveloped world. For 40 Years I have been working with local health authorities and governments in more than 130 countries analyzing deaths from agrichemicals, reading toxicology and pathology reports for more than 1250 such deaths in the last forty years.
Many of the deaths involving OPs were from women using paraquat or Chlorpyrifos as a suicide agent. Over many years I have seen many pathologies and toxicology reports related to these deaths. My PhD is in the area of toxic chemicals including OPs and their effects on humans. I have also studied many deaths in the various agriculture sectors around the world, particularly related to OPs, but also OCs.
The interesting thing about the pathology of OPs cases (in my experience) is that they often don’t have common metrics. You can see miosis in one patient but not another. In the severe acute phase you may well have depressed cholinesterase but in other cases it can still be above 20%.
When I have been involved in a developing country such as Mali or Senegal assisting a local health person with differential diagnosis I use a pathology pathway involving absence or otherwise of Diarrhoea, sweating, hypertension, miosis, Urination, Lung spasm, Emesis, Tears, Salivation. In addition I look for paralysis, CNS depression, respiratory distress, low BP pulse etc.
In many cases we actually know what the poison is because a family member has brought the bottle into the clinic, yet we may only see half the symptoms mentioned here and rarely miosis until near death. In addition I have seen several cases of inflammatory myocarditis with OP poisoning and have witnessed the severe and death stage of many of the patients. Again I have seen myocarditis in some but not all patients.
OP poisoning is complex and difficult to diagnose. LD 50 thresholds also are variable and often I have seen death where a tenth of the LD 50 has been consumed or inhaled. The LD 50 for many OPs is often completely unreliable and death may occur at levels far below the quantity indicated in the MSDS sheets.
The case in hand.
Clearly as most readers will know, you will NOT get OP poisoning from the application of “standard” insecticide spray even if it has a OP component. (Note: Many countries have banned Chlorpyrifos for use in houses, residential units and hotels, because even very small quantities can harm children and it has been causative in human development problems for pregnant women. Many countries have also banned the substance for agricultural use and most countries do not allow OPs including Chlorpyrifos to be used on export fruit but may permit it to be used on domestic supplied food, including NZ.
I was called in late in this case and asked to look at the pathology reports for the NZ victims, Sarah Carter who passed away and her companions who all slept in the same room.
These reports were incomplete and somewhat incoherent but when I read them in their totality I realized I had seen the pathology many times before. So I asked the TV3 crew to swab the room.
When the crew brought back the room swabs I asked the laboratory in NZ to look for four chemicals; viz Cyfluthrin, Cypermethrin, Proxpoxur and Chlorpyrifos. I felt at the time that it was probably a waste of time (swabbing) and was very surprised to see that at least two of the swabs returned a level of chlorpyrifos.
In my experience we should not have able to see Chlorpyrifos in the room swabs. I have only seen this (room swab result) 2 or 3 times before and that usually involved another OP Malathion. As mentioned above it is not feasible to get OP poisoning from NORMAL insecticide spraying. However, in my experience there have been many occasions that the spray has been NOT NORMAL.
In the case of bed bugs, which are very difficult to eradicate, the best chemical to deal to these is Chlorpyrifos. I have on many occasions taken samples of spray tanks for insecticide spraying (when applicators presented with OP symptoms) and found that the Chlorpyrifos levels were very high. So we had a pathology that indicated possible OP poisoning, even if we did not have all the classical symptoms, and we had chlorpyrifos in the room and an indication that the mixing of the chemicals was NOT NORMAL and we know that for some people fatal dosages of OPs can be fractions of the LD 50.
It was my opinion that the sprayer may have either tripled up the standard dosage by reducing the amount of solvent added to the spray OR introduced technical Chlorpyrifos into the mix taking the active ingredient to around 25 -40 %. It would probably need to be this level to be fatal. It is also likely that the sprayer sprayed the floor ceiling, all bed linen and mattress followed by a wide broadcast all round the room before leaving.
In summary I have seen it all before, the high level chlorpyrifos (amping up the standard spray mechanism) used in the countries of Asia to battle bed bugs, I have seen the pathology before in many many suicides with Chlorpyrifos and while the swab test can only be a proxy I am greatly concerned that Sarah may have died from OP poisoning at very low levels.
One of the other two women in the room required emergency heart surgery and the other was very sick but recovered without surgery. In the absence of food poisoning, virus and any other pathology the OP poisoning was put forward as a theory.
Dr.Ir. Ron McDowall PhD,
MPhil, BBS/BSc, CPEng, Int PE, F.IPENZ, F.NZIM, M.RSNZ

Read more: Dr Ron McDowal responds to critisism of his conclusion that the chemical chlorpyrifos was responsible for the death of Sarah Carter in Chaing Mai Dr Ron McDowal responds to critisism of his conclusion that the chemical chlorpyrifos was responsible for the death of Sarah Carter in Chaing Mai

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:33 PM

Oh, and I forgot: You certainly aren't a statistician.

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 11:34 PM

You obviously didn't put your thinking cap on, as instructed.

And, P.S. my implication by statistics still stands.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:41 PM

Your statistics are flawed, therefore your implications are incorrect. And let's face it you started off at 80% male, you've now dropped to 58% and you haven't got past 2004 yet. You are making this shit up as you go along and there are more holes in it than swiss fucking cheese.

And you still haven't told us what credentials you have above the good doctor with more the 40 years experience of dealing with the stuff.

So basically you're just pissing to the wind, kiddo.

Feverish internet detective work cannot replace four decades of field experience, and you're a complete moron if you think it does.

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 11:48 PM

My statistics were 'flawed' because when I first posted the '80%' male visitors I hadn't actually looked up the numbers. The actual numbers are 60%. That is, a disproportionate number of men.

Yet the deaths are 80% women--70% Western women--when only 40% visitors are women.

Besides, this statistical idea is only that an idea. It is not the cornerstone of my belief that this was murder and not an accident. Read my other posts to see why these deaths were no accident.

Regarding credentials, yes, wouldn't it be nice if we could rely on those with 'credentials' to always 'get it right'?

Then we wouldn't have to think for ourselves, eh, harrybaracuda? Like I said, put your thinking cap on.

But if you absolutely can't think for yourself then here's some experts you can put your trust in:

The American Medical System Is The Leading Cause Of Death And Injury In The United States
By Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy Smith PhD
The leading cause of death and injury in the United States

**guyinthailand** · 26-06-2012, 11:52 PM

"I was called in late in this case and asked to look at the pathology reports for the NZ victims, Sarah Carter who passed away and her companions who all slept in the same room" UN chemical 'expert' Dr Ron McDowall

See what an idiot Dr Ron McDowall is? There were other victims who didn't stay in the Downtown Inn and the ones that did stay in the Downtown Inn stayed in three different rooms on two different floors.

And he didn't swab other rooms where people didn't die to get a 'backdrop' assay, thereby negating or casting into doubt all his hard work!

Even harrybarracuda who is so fond of CSI (because he's always yakking about it) maybe could have figured out to do a 'background assay'.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:52 PM

Just spit it out man.

WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTIALS?

Answer:

FUCK ALL.

Armchair Expert
Someone who claims to know all the answers to a problem, situation or scenario but has little or no experience or real understanding of it. Usually found on internet forums or writing in the letters section of tabloid newspapers. When faced with educated people who disassemble their argument with facts, they often state they learned their experience at the "University of life".

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I was called in late in this case and asked to look at the pathology reports for the NZ victims, Sarah Carter who passed away and her companions who all slept in the same room.

See what an idiot he is? There were other victims who didn't stay in the Downtown Inn.

See what an idiot you are? You replied without even reading it, you moron.

He was called in ONLY on the NZ cases by the NZ TV News programme. Not the couple that died in a nearby room, nor the woman who died in possibly the same, or adjoining room.

Before you start refuting the words of an expert of the non-armchair kind, I would suggest you stop and read what he wrote before expounding your next blast of drivel.

**harrybarracuda** · 26-06-2012, 11:58 PM

Oh hang on, you mean these three were probably victims of pesticide poisoning, but your serial killer got the rest, right?

**guyinthailand** · 27-06-2012, 12:01 AM

"I have seen the pathology before in many many suicides with Chlorpyrifos .."

How deceitful and misleading.

He hasn't seen suicides from people SPRAYING it on themselves, or BREATHING it.

and now Dr Ron McDowall proves himself to be a deceiving idiot. Because the suicides he refers to were Ingestions, even though he doesn't say that. Obviously, the suicides didn't spray themselves. His inability to ask the obvious question--"Is it possible their exposure wasn't skin or lung, but rather ingestion?"--shows his faulty thinking yet again.

He assumes just because they found traces in the room of the most widely used pesticide in the world, that somehow 'proves' the victims got it from the room, and not from ingestion. This...on top of the fact that three other Chiang Mai victims didn't stay in that hotel...and on top of the fact that we just don't see people dropping dead from dermal and skin exposure from Chlorpyrifos.

Your expert has proven himself to be incompetent and deceitful.

**guyinthailand** · 27-06-2012, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh hang on, you mean these three were probably victims of pesticide poisoning, but your serial killer got the rest, right?

"serial killer got the rest, right?"

What ever are you talking about?

I think you lost your thinking cap a long time ago!

Thread: Phi Phi : Canadian sisters found dead in Thai resort

Thread Tools

Display

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

Posting Permissions