Thread: Thai Citizenship

Originally Posted by John Lennon

In the other forum, there is a comprehensive analysis of this matter. For those of us who came here & have an O-A 'retirement' visa, the chances of gaining permanent residency or citizenship are about zero.

Actually there is NO chance at all that anyone on either a Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa (based on being over 50 and gotten at a thai consulate in your country before you wash up here) OR on a yearly extension of stay (based on being over 50) can get permanent residence status granted.

Unless you legally work here on the correct visa and unbroken chain of extensions, with a work permit for the requisite number of years, paying & filing taxes, you got no way to get it.

That's just how the law is written.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Originally Posted by John Lennon

In the other forum, there is a comprehensive analysis of this matter. For those of us who came here & have an O-A 'retirement' visa, the chances of gaining permanent residency or citizenship are about zero.

Actually there is NO chance at all that anyone on either a Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa (based on being over 50 and gotten at a thai consulate in your country before you wash up here) OR on a yearly extension of stay (based on being over 50) can get permanent residence status granted.

Unless you legally work here on the correct visa and unbroken chain of extensions, with a work permit for the requisite number of years, paying & filing taxes, you got no way to get it.

That's just how the law is written.

I have heard that it could be possible if one voluntarily pays tax. I can't confirm this though. The tax is the important thing.

Originally Posted by melvin

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

this map is not up-to-date

tha map is NOT up tp date

That's what I said (albeit in better English ).

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Originally Posted by John Lennon

In the other forum, there is a comprehensive analysis of this matter. For those of us who came here & have an O-A 'retirement' visa, the chances of gaining permanent residency or citizenship are about zero.

Actually there is NO chance at all that anyone on either a Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa (based on being over 50 and gotten at a thai consulate in your country before you wash up here) OR on a yearly extension of stay (based on being over 50) can get permanent residence status granted.

Unless you legally work here on the correct visa and unbroken chain of extensions, with a work permit for the requisite number of years, paying & filing taxes, you got no way to get it.

That's just how the law is written.

I think this whole thing is fool's gold. All the evidence points to it being not possible to have real and actual dual nationality, but simply *potentially temporary* Thai nationality, with the proviso that you need to ensure that you have belt and braces documentation from your country of origin to be certain of being able to resume that nationality if this little adventure all goes wrong further down the line.

Even if you can really actually get it (which, based on lack of evidence, I doubt, despite what any paperwork might say), you face the probability of having to keep going through the rigmarole of proving it to sceptical Thais, especially ones in officialdom and in uniform. They're just not going to believe you; some might even get shirty, and just refuse to deal with you in English, making life difficult.

You've got to ask the question, what is the point? Is it just to own land, run a business, and stay as long as you want? If so, why bother with dual at all?

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by melvin

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

this map is not up-to-date

tha map is NOT up tp date

That's what I said (albeit in better English ).

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Originally Posted by John Lennon

In the other forum, there is a comprehensive analysis of this matter. For those of us who came here & have an O-A 'retirement' visa, the chances of gaining permanent residency or citizenship are about zero.

Actually there is NO chance at all that anyone on either a Non-Immigrant Type O-A visa (based on being over 50 and gotten at a thai consulate in your country before you wash up here) OR on a yearly extension of stay (based on being over 50) can get permanent residence status granted.

Unless you legally work here on the correct visa and unbroken chain of extensions, with a work permit for the requisite number of years, paying & filing taxes, you got no way to get it.

That's just how the law is written.

I think this whole thing is fool's gold. All the evidence points to it being not possible to have real and actual dual nationality, but simply *potentially temporary* Thai nationality, with the proviso that you need to ensure that you have belt and braces documentation from your country of origin to be certain of being able to resume that nationality if this little adventure all goes wrong further down the line.

Even if you can really actually get it (which, based on lack of evidence, I doubt, despite what any paperwork might say), you face the probability of having to keep going through the rigmarole of proving it to sceptical Thais, especially ones in officialdom and in uniform. They're just not going to believe you; some might even get shirty, and just refuse to deal with you in English, making life difficult.

You've got to ask the question, what is the point? Is it just to own land, run a business, and stay as long as you want? If so, why bother with dual at all?

lol, what a heap of baloney!

It is possible to have dual citizenship - who told you otherwise?

Do you think someone going for Thai citizenship can't speak Thai lol?

Originally Posted by ChalkyDee

lol, what a heap of baloney!

It is possible to have dual citizenship - who told you otherwise?

Do you think someone going for Thai citizenship can't speak Thai lol?

Your lolling isn't remotely convincing. If you can read, then read the law, it's quoted earlier. If you think it says something different from what the letters and words on the page actually say in real life, then please explain with quotes... it's can't be that hard.

This isn't a willy-waving competition, this is simply about reading and establishing the facts. All you have presented is a claim from a lawyer who you are paying money to, without any actual substantiation in fact in any way whatsoever at all, ever.

You may speak Thai, I may speak Thai, but neither you nor I are native speakers, and someone can still make your life difficult in a second language, no matter how fluent you think you are. Large documents, scribbly handwriting, talking fast etc...

I don't mind if you want to pay someone to tell you what you want to hear, but I do think if you're attempting to post it on here as if it's fact, it needs challenging for simple corroboration. Just prove it... that's all! What's so difficult about that?!

You seem to be misinterpreting this challenge as something personal, and whilst evading answering simple questions and trying to distract with responses that are not about the topic but just look like personalisation of what is a simple question.

Why don't you just scroll back through all the questions I've asked you; filter out all your silly remarks; and just front up with up-to-date, credible facts. I'm sure lots of people would like to know what the facts are about this question, and not anything else.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Originally Posted by ChalkyDee

lol, what a heap of baloney!

It is possible to have dual citizenship - who told you otherwise?

Do you think someone going for Thai citizenship can't speak Thai lol?

Your lolling isn't remotely convincing. If you can read, then read the law, it's quoted earlier. If you think it says something different from what the letters and words on the page actually say in real life, then please explain with quotes... it's can't be that hard.

This isn't a willy-waving competition, this is simply about reading and establishing the facts. All you have presented is a claim from a lawyer who you are paying money to, without any actual substantiation in fact in any way whatsoever at all, ever.

You may speak Thai, I may speak Thai, but neither you nor I are native speakers, and someone can still make your life difficult in a second language, no matter how fluent you think you are. Large documents, scribbly handwriting, talking fast etc...

I don't mind if you want to pay someone to tell you what you want to hear, but I do think if you're attempting to post it on here as if it's fact, it needs challenging for simple corroboration. Just prove it... that's all! What's so difficult about that?!

You seem to be misinterpreting this challenge as something personal, and whilst evading answering simple questions and trying to distract with responses that are not about the topic but just look like personalisation of what is a simple question.

Why don't you just scroll back through all the questions I've asked you; filter out all your silly remarks; and just front up with up-to-date, credible facts. I'm sure lots of people would like to know what the facts are about this question, and not anything else.

Firstly, I am paying no lawyer.
Next, you are wrong and just can't admit it. Thailand allows Dual Citizenship, so does the UK, there is absolutely no question about this.
Also, are you seriously saying that I should think of not getting citizenship for the country I've lived in for 25 years because someone might try to talk fast to me
I stopped listening to anything you had to offer as your first posted showed as some kind of ignorant troll, suggesting I get a sex change. Go find another thread to meet your agenda, whatever that may be.