Expat Pedophile Teacher

**Bettyboo** · 06-02-2012, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by sabai sabai

Why not ? AT does

You mean LT???

**9999** · 06-02-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by 9999

Well I suppose since the first person ever presented hearsay evidence. When was that? The fact that the Queen of England does not accept hearsay evidence in her courts does not strip hearsay of it's title as evidence. If hearsay is not evidence then WTF is it? Do you struggle with the english language in general dawg, or just these tricky legal bits?

In keeping with the three evidentiary requirements, the Hearsay Rule, as outlined in the Federal Rules of Evidence, prohibits most statements made outside a courtroom from being used as evidence in court. This is because statements made out of court normally are not made under oath, a judge or jury cannot personally observe the demeanor of someone who makes a statement outside the courtroom, and an opposing party cannot cross-examine such a declarant (the person making the statement). Out-of-court statements hinder the ability of the judge or jury to probe testimony for inaccuracies caused by Ambiguity, insincerity, faulty perception, or erroneous memory. Thus, statements made out of court are perceived as untrustworthy.

Heresay legal definition of Heresay. Heresay synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

Another definition for you 9999, I heard "your a gay faggot who bends over for anyone", whomever reads this now has evidence your a gay faggot?

And your point is? How about a definition of evidence, copied from dictionary.com no doubt?

Good thing you copy pasted your thoughts anyway. Would hate for anyone to have to read through you actually trying to articulate whatever you are getting at with your definition of hearsay. Here's a free tip dawg; evidence could exist if court rooms and laws were never invented. Best run off now and hammer some nails or something

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**9999** · 06-02-2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

"your a gay faggot who bends over for anyone", whomever reads this now has evidence your a gay faggot?

Yes, that's good work dawg. The evidence may not be worth 2 pieces of dog shit but it's still evidence by definition.

I'll ask again, if hearsay is not evidence, what is it?

**dirtydog** · 06-02-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by 9999

I'll ask again, if hearsay is not evidence, what is it?

Originally Posted by dirtydog

prohibits most statements made outside a courtroom from being used as evidence in court.

Generally not evidence as far as courts are concerned.

**9999** · 06-02-2012, 08:11 PM

You fail to define evidence dawg. Key omission if you want to press this point I'd have thought.

And are you talking about 'evidence' that don't stand up in court, or 'whatchamecallits' that don't stand up in court?

**Rural Surin** · 06-02-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Regarding the OP: many of you are going off on one...

The OP has hardly any posts, has built up no base of trustworthy and intelligent threads/posts and posted in the early hours; has not returned either.

SW was spot on. We cannot give advice and we do not know who the fuk the OP is or what the fuk he/she is talking about.

It is a very strong thread title with zero information to back it up.

If the OP thinks he/she knows something about a teacher who is abusing students then they should report it to people in authority a.s.a.p. What they should not be doing is spouting iddle gossip/BS on the internet.

All this aside, Boo - you do know the popularity/interests that this related subject matter receives throughout Thai forums.
It baffles me that a random accusation from a newbie rates so seriously without suspicion. Consider the source, FFS!

**Unlucky Ralph** · 06-02-2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Generally not evidence as far as courts are concerned.

I think they call it " P4wned " Dawg

He's a 14 year old gamer too, if that's any consolation

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 06-02-2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

If the OP thinks he/she knows something about a teacher who is abusing students then they should report it to people in authority a.s.a.p. What they should not be doing is spouting iddle gossip/BS on the internet.

Be mindful that a false accusation of this sexual nature is an extremely serious slander, that if considered to be maliciously intended, can (and does) result in jail time for the accuser.

The Law protects people from being falsely accused, whether by do-gooders at one end of the spectrum, to workplace enemies at the other.

**OhOh** · 06-02-2012, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

No way we should allow PED behavior. In my school we teach appropriate behavior to students and staff.

BUT. Real important that as you protect students from abuse, you do not create a clinical environment that is devoid of normal human behavior. So any little kid wants to give an adult a hug, that is fine, long it is open and very public.

I am presuming that "my school" is a Thai school. If you have worked in schools in other countries, with differing age groups, different abilities, and did they not have different standards of "appropriate behaviour"?

You state that it is important to protect "students" from abuse, is it not equally important to protect teachers from abuse?

You state an "environment that is devoid of normal human behaviour" is not desirable. Have you not found that "normal" is a cultural thing and has to be learned if you switch countries/cultures.

Some teachers have a responsibility to what are in reality physically young adults, not little kids, presumably the "normal behaviour" is adjusted to suit the circumstances.

**RickThai** · 07-02-2012, 12:17 AM

Thanks for all the advice. I think I know how to approach this now. I will talk with some very close Thai people (relatives) and tell them what I observed.

As for the posters who were skeptical about "inappropriate touching", I will ignore your posts. As stated by other, more objective, posters, when an adult is showing an un-natural and un-healthy interest in young kids it is very obvious to all but "those who will not see".

I once knew a bloke, who worked with pre-adolecent children. He was a very personable sort, but seemed to always strike up conversations with parents who had their children around him and always seemed to going off to "play" with the children.

I warned people about him for years. A couple of years or so ago, I found out he had committed suicide, because he was facing multiple charges of child molestation. I wasn't surprised at all.

In most countries, I say rather be safe than sorry, but in Thailand, as borne out by many of the posters, you have to be real careful on how to handle it.

Regards to All,

RickThai

And for the record, I don't drink, and I don't know the guy personally. I was a guest at a school and was roaming around waiting for my Thai SIL to pick up her kids, when I saw this guy with his hand on a young girl (maybe 10 or so) behind. The guy was looking around (left and right) and when he saw me staring at him, immediately moved his hand off the girl's backside and said something to her and walked away.

I asked my SIL about the guy, and she said he was an English teacher who volunteered at the school. I told my wife later, and she told me not to get involved, but it bothers me (still does).

**ENT** · 07-02-2012, 03:28 AM

Good move, RickThai.
Now that you've given more details of the situation, I can understand your anxiety.

You've described a situation that was clearly inappropriate.
No matter what the child's response was, the teacher's actions that you describe were deliberate, not accidental.

The teacher first has his hand on a 10 yr old girl's bum.
Then, when observed, immediately removed his hand off her.
He then spoke to the girl and walked away.

This is what you observed.
You then confided the matter to your wife.

Your wife's response to your anxiety over the issue was to advise you not to get involved.
This indicates that she's aware of such goings on, at least anecdotally, in the past, and has seen its repercussions.
I think that she's simply trying to protect you from "collateral damage", Thai style.

That leaves you in a quandary, as your conscience dictates.
Reporting the matter to a trusted authority is the next thing to do.
Whatever you report as an observed fact can not be deemed slander. Let us be clear about this.

My advice to you is this;
Report the matter to the man's senior, the school principal.
A negative response from the principal will necessitate a report to both the police and the offending teacher's embassy.
The police will quiz the principal first. If there exists any collusion between the principal and the teacher, the report will go no further.
This is where the "collateral damage" can start, ie. you could be scape-goated as a whistle blower.

Your report to the embassy must be clear and factual, and you will be quizzed.
If you get a negative response from the embassy, you should then contact a child protection agency.
The best I know of is;

APLE (Action Pour Les Enfants) who are active in Cambodia.

Action Pour Les Enfants - Accueil français

About APLE
The first web page is in French, the second is in English.

Be very aware that paedophilia is rife in Asia, and many foreign males visit these countries specifically for child sex.
They are facilitated by pedophile groups internationally.
The rot starts at the top, so you're going to meet pedophile protectors there, amongst the authorities.
Your instincts will immediately inform you if your interviewer is a colluder in paedophilia.
If that is the case, go directly to APLE, they will assist you.
Just speak the truth.

Good luck RickThai.

**sabai sabai** · 07-02-2012, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by RickThai

The guy was looking around (left and right) and when he saw me staring at him, immediately moved his hand off the girl's backside and said something to her and walked away.

The question you will be asked Rick is...... Why didn't you do something about it sooner ?

**ENT** · 07-02-2012, 04:28 AM

^
True.
The answer is that he did not know what to do.

**DrAndy** · 07-02-2012, 02:35 PM

he could have come on this forum and called the guy a paedophile

name names

**lom** · 07-02-2012, 03:20 PM

Is there someone else who has seen the teacher with his hand on a 10 year old girls bum?
It will basically be your word against his..

**ENT** · 07-02-2012, 03:28 PM

That's a fact.

**sabai sabai** · 07-02-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by lom

It will basically be your word against his..

And that's probably when the "pedo" will probably mention why it wasn't reported immediately.
You know what these Thais are like too, bringing shame on their teachers and tarnishing the name of the school, Loss of face etc
You missed your chance by not dragging him and the girl into the school office as soon as it happened IMO.
Try and get in touch with the girls parents, see if she will come forward and back up your claims, if you remember what she looks like.
Good luck, keep us informed

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 07-02-2012, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

Whatever you report as an observed fact can not be deemed slander. Let us be clear about this.
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Yes, it can be. Because it is not a fact (unless he has video footage, or the guy confesses, or the girl corroborates), at present, it is an allegation.

Its no more a proven fact than someone prefixing a forum observation with the word <FACT>.

**nidhogg** · 07-02-2012, 04:36 PM

seems a good time to point to this past thread:

https://teakdoor.com/doing-things-leg...t-article.html (Defamation and Thai law - Bangkok Post article)

**ENT** · 07-02-2012, 05:15 PM

[QUOTE=The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog;2010450]

Originally Posted by ENT

Whatever you report as an observed fact can not be deemed slander. Let us be clear about this.
.

Yes, it can be. Because it is not a fact (unless he has video footage, or the guy confesses, or the girl corroborates), at present, it is an allegation.

Its no more a proven fact than someone prefixing a forum observation with the word <FACT>.[/QUOTE
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Strange reasoning there.

Video footage of the incident is not a fact, it's simply video evidence.
The observer's report of the incident is only hearsay, the uncorroborated words of a witness, not a fact.
The girl may support the allegation of improper conduct, that too is not a fact, simply her word.
The guy may confess to the fact.

The fact of the matter is the inappropriate behaviour.

An allegation is a statement without proof. It is not an accusation, which is to charge a person with wrong doing.

Slander, on the other hand, is a false and malicious statement or accusation made about someone.
So reporting an incident is not slander per se.

The only thing that can be done if there is a conflict of opinion as to what occurred, is to investigate and observe the situation.
Proper investigation is quite feasible, it depends upon the degree of co-operation shown by all concerned.

Of course, if the whole structure is nothing but a kiddy fiddling set up, shut your mouth and go directly to APLE.
They're pretty good at their work, their methods are very effective in exposing child abusers.

**Bettyboo** · 07-02-2012, 05:47 PM

Thread title: Expat Pedophile Teacher

RickThai's total provided 'evidence', thusfar (I hope there is more...):

Originally Posted by RickThai

I was a guest at a school and was roaming around waiting for my Thai SIL to pick up her kids, when I saw this guy with his hand on a young girl (maybe 10 or so) behind. The guy was looking around (left and right) and when he saw me staring at him, immediately moved his hand off the girl's backside and said something to her and walked away.

If he believes it's an issue then he should take his concerns to authority figures straight away - not shout PAEDO upon an internet forum when he has zero evidence of the fact.

The problem is that there is a very large gap between what he saw/thinks he saw/claims he saw and saying: Expat Pedophile Teacher.

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 07-02-2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

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The fact of the matter is the inappropriate behaviour.

An allegation is a statement without proof. It is not an accusation, which is to charge a person with wrong doing.

Slander, on the other hand, is a false and malicious statement or accusation made about someone.
So reporting an incident is not slander per se.

Sorry? What proof or facts exist?

Some unknown, ostensibly well-intentioned guy on a forum has claimed he saw something and has no evidence or corroboration at all.

How does one know its not false, not malicious? That he doesn't want to get some rival sacked.

Now, i'm not saying RickThai is like that. Just that laws exist to prevent accusers shouting off their mouths. This is why he needs to tread very carefully.

If you want me to quote case law (UK not Thai) where someone has gotten a jail sentence for blighting someone with a paedo accusation, i'll locate it later.

Still, why do we need the Law to establish guilt, when we have Forums !!

**sabai sabai** · 07-02-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Page 3 of this thread is when we form the lynch mob

It's Page 3 Now

Who's in ?

**ENT** · 07-02-2012, 06:24 PM

^^As I pointed out, the only fact referred to is that reported by RickThai.

There is no proof offered at all in his post.

One does not know anything about the matter.
As I've pointed out, RickThai's statement can only be regarded as hearsay in that situation.

Laws exist to protect the innocent (supposedly), they don't prevent anything, not even people shouting their mouths off.

RickThai's better off contacting APLE, they're pretty damned professional and have the appropriate authorities backing them.

Establishing guilt on a forum......hmmmm....well, ...possible in some things.

**OhOh** · 07-02-2012, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by sabai sabai

Try and get in touch with the girls parents, see if she will come forward and back up your claims, if you remember what she looks like.

That could lead to unexpected consequences. Leave it to the so called "experts"

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