Thread: Herman Cain

Some people are apparently living in an alternate universe. Why would anyone try to come up with excuses for this guy? I don't see how anyone can look at the facts and the individual and still consider him a viable candidate.

Cain supporters remind me of the people rioting last night to protest the firing of Paterno and Penn State University president for protecting a child rapist. Makes no sense, although they try their best to rationalize it.

Originally Posted by Borey the Bald

Some people are apparently living in an alternate universe. Why would anyone try to come up with excuses for this guy? I don't see how anyone can look at the facts and the individual and still consider him a viable candidate.

Adult Prozac...

All is not well for Cain.

'Swing State Poll' shows Cain is on top in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania

However, same Quinnipiac University poll shows....

“Romney is considered more honest and trustworthy and makes a more favorable impression, while Cain is viewed more unfavorably."

Herman Cain sex harass accusations don

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Borey the Bald

Some people are apparently living in an alternate universe. Why would anyone try to come up with excuses for this guy? I don't see how anyone can look at the facts and the individual and still consider him a viable candidate.

It's simple, Borey.

The public isn't buying into these accusations.

Let's look at the facts:


It is true that Cain's positive poll numbers are essentially unchanged over the last month. However, over that period, Cain's negative poll numbers among all voters have gone from 18% in October to 34% in November. Among GOP voters, his negative poll numbers have gone from 6% in October to 19% in November. The more people see him, the less they like him (and I am among this group). I would expect next week's poll number to show further erosion in those numbers.


This same trend is true for the GOP as a whole and for the Tea Party. The more the public hears, the less they like. Obama is keeping a low profile. He can sit back and watch the GOP destroy itself.


Republican Party


November 2010- Positive 34% --Negative 39%
November 2011- Positive 30% --Negative 44%


Tea Party


November 2010- Positive 30% --Negative 38%
November 2011- Positive 27% --Negative 44%


Obama


November 2011- Positive 45% --Negative 40%


*November 7, 2011 NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll

What this: note the difference between Cain and Ron Paul.

And note what Ron Paul says at the very end!
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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Borey the Bald

Cain, who, by his appearance, obviously has a couple of plantation masters in his family tree.

He does?

Looks mighty 100% Black to this poster. Ancestors probably came from one of those tribes that didn't have the typical African features?

The term you took umbrage at was not in the best of taste, I admit. Problem is, there seems to be a double standard here with some folks OK with Obama coupled with the 'White Guilt' that brought him into office with no qualifications and a Black man such as Cain.

Oh, and Cain isn't a Red Diaper Baby either...

My point above is that you are using no facts to draw a conclusion that is totally irrelevant to the question of his competency (unless you believe racial purity is important). Does your perception of a double standard entitle you to fabricate reasons why we should think well of Cain? This is just dishonest. But this seems to be typical of your posts. Another example:


In your previous post #166 a single fact, that “Bialek worked for CBS radio station WCKG from 2006-2007" in marketing, is used as a basis for inferring that there is something wrong with her accusations of sexual misconduct against Cain. Everything else in the article sounds like boys bathroom gossip. My perception is that conclusions are drawn, then facts are looked for to back those foregone conclusions, and if no facts are found, use innuendo. That is intellectually corrupt reasoning.


In post #166 you finish with a statement that this story “aired on Monday and thus far, precious few news outlets are delving into Bialek’s questionable history" and raise the question of “why is this story not making its rounds in the mainstream media”. Yet the link that you provide is to a fairly well researched story from CBS News.


I've got to wonder who you think your audience is for this type of muddled thinking. Maybe it would play well at my mother's nursing home and maybe at the local Legion bar (if everyone is drunk enough).

...you are using no facts to draw a conclusion that is totally irrelevant to the question of his competency.
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Hogwash.

The man has a proven track record as a CEO etc vs this sorry excuse of a community agitator. Your line of thinking (and that's a stretch) plays well at one of those Paul Wellstone Memorial Dinners where latte liberals such as yourself discuss the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) that brought down that plane?

In the end Bory, Cain has been cleared of these false accusations and Gloria Allred is most likely using the Cain 'scandal' to promote her new TV show.

Leave you with this: "Ironic, isn't it: woman is safer in meeting at the National Resturant Association than in a crowd at #OWS #occupyfail #tcot"

Hve a nice day!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Cain has been cleared of these false accusations

who you trying to kid?,.........

Why I Am Done Defending Herman Cain (by Mary Kate Cary is a former White House speechwriter for President George H.W. Bush)

People have been asking me all week if conservatives will stick with Herman Cain, but I think he's got a bigger problem than the conservative vote. A lot more women than conservatives vote, and the women I've talked to are finished with him.

rest of Cain's obituary: Why I Am Done Defending Herman Cain - Mary Kate Cary (usnews.com)

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

...you are using no facts to draw a conclusion that is totally irrelevant to the question of his competency.

Hogwash.

The man has a proven track record as a CEO etc vs this sorry excuse of a community agitator. Your line of thinking (and that's a stretch) plays well at one of those Paul Wellstone Memorial Dinners where latte liberals such as yourself discuss the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) that brought down that plane?

Hve a nice day![/quote] (end Boon Mee quote)

That is exactly what is wrong with the GOP today. People like you anoint yourselves as spokesmen for the Party. Anyone who doesn't agree with the air-headed dogma of the far right is automatically labeled a liberal. That is the chief reason why the GOP is viewed positively by 30% of the US, and negatively by 44%. Between now and the election the GOP needs to attract 8 out of 10 of those undecided in order to win. No way this will happen with zealots like you representing the GOP.


On the other had, Obama needs to attract only 4 out of 10 of his undecided in order to easily win reelection. My goal is to not let that happen. People like you spewing your rubbish is not helping.

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

You agree with this 'spewing of rubbish' there Borey?



According to libtalker Bill Press, accused ladies’ man Herman Cain is exactly equivalent to confirmed serial child rapist Jerry Sandusky.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

This from the same people that brought us Swift boat, Birthers, Moslemgate, Ayersgate, Fostergate, Arkansasgate, Monicagate, Solargate, etc.

I hardly think the Right's 'smear machine' is in a position to complain about the Left's.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

This from the same people that brought us Swift boat, Birthers, Moslemgate, Ayersgate, Fostergate, Arkansasgate, Monicagate, Solargate, etc.

All legimate scandals. Kerry was Swiftboated because he is a sham. Those Purple Hearts for minor flesh wounds? Gimme a break. Still real questions on the birth cert in most folks minds. Monicagate? WTF is that? Solargate? That's ongoing and getting bigger by the day along with Operation Fast & Furious.

Cain is the real deal and will make a fine Secretary of the Defense for Mittens...

BTW, "Cain is still on top, and more than sixty percent of primary voters are saying the sexual harassment stories aren’t impacting their decision. That part is good news for Cain, but it comes with a warning as well. His support among women has dropped measurably and outside the margin of error, from 28% in October to 15% now. That appears to be the majority of the shift which has tightened his lead and put him in what is essentially a three way horse race with Mitt and Newt."

Source

Cain 'totally respects women,' wife says

Cain 'totally respects women,' wife says - CNN.com

and back on earth,.........

Among likely Republican voters surveyed Sunday, Nov. 6, Cain led the field with 40 percent. On Monday, he was third with 22 percent. By Wednesday, just 19 percent of those surveyed said they supported Cain for the nomination.

“It does appear that the stories are certainly hurting him,” said Republican pollster Ed Goeas of The Tarrance Group, who helped conduct the bipartisan poll. “As this moves forward, I think it does become more and more a deal-breaker.”

Cain must grapple with a dearth of support from women. Among Republican men, Cain led with 32 percent. Among women, however, he won 21 percent support.

President Barack Obama led Cain 49 percent to 40 percent in a head-to-head matchup. Among women, the president trounced the former National Restaurant Association CEO by an 18-point margin, 53 to 35 percent.



Read more: Post-allegations, the Cain drain - James Hohmann - POLITICO.com


and,........


Overall, voters think the sexual harassment allegations against Cain are true, 53 to 24 percent. Democrats feel they are true very strongly, 73 to 12 percent, while Republicans are divided, with 37 percent saying they are true and 33 percent saying they are untrue. Independents say they are true, 46 to 27 percent.

The poll also found that a plurality of respondents (39 percent) think he’s done a bad job handling the charges brought against him. Democrats and Independents agree with this statement, 55 to 13 percent and 35 to 18 percent respectively. Republicans are split, with 28 percent saying he’s done a bad job and 27 percent saying he’s done a good job.

Link: Exclusive Poll: Joe Paterno Should Have Called the Police - The Daily Beast

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Cain is the real deal and will make a fine Secretary of the Defense for Mittens...

why not Secretary of State?

I suppose pizzaBro could leapfrog off his failed Presidential campaign, and join Unesco or something.

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has said that he believes that the majority of Muslims in the United States hold extremist views,

he said that if he were elected as president of the United States, he would not feel comfortable having a Muslim in his cabinet. He said that a Muslim cabinet member might try to "ease Sharia law" and Islam into the government,

Cain apologized to Muslims in late July for his remarks.

Herman Cain: Most Muslims in US are extremists | GlobalPost


But I think it's more likely he will do the 'barracuda', and become another Foxbot.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

another lefty, Michelle Malkin:

It’s his continued lack of preparedness on, and familiarity with, basic domestic and foreign policy issues. Sorry, Cain fans. Tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But like Rick Perry, Herman Cain is just not ready for prime time. The real Cain scandal: He can barely form a coherent thought on Libya when put on the spot and garbles collective bargaining 101 facts.

Link: Michelle Malkin

the Left's smear machine

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Herman Cain is just not ready for prime time.

And Obama was?

Herman Cain has more leadership skills and experience than the Obummer ever hopes to possess...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

another lefty, Joe Scarborough (R) on Cain (with video)

On Tuesday’s episode of MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” a series of gaffes by former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain over the last two days inspired a visceral reaction from Scarborough, who took aim at both his conservative detractors and the GOP candidate.

“The thing is, when I started criticizing Herman Cain early on, of course all the right-wingers started attacking me,” Scarborough said, citing defenders of Cain among conservative bloggers and commentators.

And while many former defenders, according to the “Morning Joe” host, are souring on Cain, he let everyone know he has been embarrassed by the candidate for weeks.

“You know, I was embarrassed about this weeks ago,” he continued. “I was embarrassed that Herman Cain was the standard bearer for the Republican Party. That man that can’t answer a basic question about foreign policy is the standard bearer for my party and that embarrasses me. That didn’t embarrass a lot of people a couple of weeks ago when they should have been embarrassed. Guess what, I think they are embarrassed now.”



Video in the link: Herman Cain | Joe Scarborough | Conservative Bloggers | The Daily Caller

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

another lefty, Dennis Miller

Dennis Miller: I’m off the Cain Train for now

Video in the link: Dennis Miller: I’m off the Cain Train for now

more Cain news,..........

Cain a ‘no-show' for NH Union Leader interview

THURSDAY, NOV. 17, UPDATE: CAIN NO-SHOW. Herman Cain was a no-show for an interview at the New Hampshire Union Leader this morning.

The interview was scheduled last week and was supposed to last between an hour and about 75 minutes.

Initially, the Cain campaign agreed to the full hour or more but then told the newspaper it did not want C-SPAN to tape the interview.

The news network had videotaped for broadcast and its website the newspaper's recent interviews with three other major presidential candidates.

After confusion arose over whether the interview had been cancelled, Cain's campaign apparently scheduled another event at roughly the same time and said Cain could appear at the newspaper for only 20 minutes.

Publisher Joseph McQuaid rejected the suggestion, telling the campaign that if Cain could not appear for the full 60 minutes, then there would be no interview.

chicken shit: Primary Status: Cain a ‘no-show' for NH Union Leader interview | New Hampshire NEWS0605


and news from Cain's Miami visit:

Miami-Dade’s Republican executive committeewoman, Liliana Ros (another Lefty) , though, said she was turned off when Cain said “Free Cuba now!”

She said it was pandering, or more specifically: “b.s.”


"Bull Shit": Herman Cain brings embattled campaign to South Florida - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com

Rick Perry and Herman Cain have surpassed the satirical Muppets.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Unbelievable - the Left's smear machine knows no bounds.

This left-wing smear machine is relentless,.........

from another Lefty, Rich Lowry

Cain’s Knowledge-Deficit Disorder

Cain’s candidacy reflects the ever-lowering bar for running for president. Pat Buchanan was a media figure who ran for president; now some people run for president to become media figures. Cain is such a winsome personality that he gets away with shameless excesses of self-promotion. He refers to himself in the third person more than the notoriously self-referential Bob Dole ever did. The title of his campaign book is This Is Herman Cain! It’s impossible to imagine the great conservative insurgent of 1964 writing a book titled This Is Barry Goldwater!

Republicans tend to be defensive of their own when they are criticized for substantive superficiality. They remember that “they said the same thing about Ronald Reagan.” But Reagan was a two-term governor and repeat presidential candidate who had exhaustively thought through his views. He proved it’s possible to be fearlessly anti-establishment and well informed at the same time. Herman Cain has yet to manage it.

make them stop: Cain


and from Miami,.......

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Rasmussen Reports 11/7 - 11/8 1000 LV 48 37 Obama +11
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 11/2 - 11/5 RV 53 38 Obama +15
ABC News/Wash Post 10/31 - 11/3 RV 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/Ipsos 10/31 - 11/3 937 RV 46 41 Obama +5

Updating Cain’s progress,……


FOX News 11/13 - 11/15 914 RV 47 38 Obama +9
Rasmussen Reports 11/13 - 11/14 1000 LV 46 36 Obama +10
CNN/Opinion Research 11/11 - 11/13 925 RV 53 43 Obama +10
Pew Research 11/9 - 11/14 1576 RV 54 42 Obama +12
PPP (D) 11/10 - 11/13 800 RV 48 41 Obama +7
McClatchy/Marist 11/8 - 11/10 872 RV 49 39 Obama +10


Must be that left smear machine: RealClearPolitics - President Obama vs. Republican Candidates