Thread: I Was Humiliated!

Originally Posted by flash

so what gives anyone in your positition the right to make the judgement that somebody else's veiws/values/cultures etc should be ammended?

We are not talking about values/culture.
We are talking about expecting someone to obey the rules of the country that they are living in.
When an american comes to Thailand which side on the road should he drive on ?

Originally Posted by Thetyim

We are talking about expecting someone to obey the rules of the country that they are living in.

There is no rule about veiled women boarding a bus in Michigan.

Originally Posted by flash

Originally Posted by RDN

Originally Posted by flash

Would fitting a micro chip to everyone so the government knows where everyone is at any given time be a solution, and would you be happy to be fitted with one?

I wouldn't. I'm quite happy for people to see my face.


Maybe they are not so happy.

Id-ing someone by there facial reatures is not a good enough method as there would be a degree of human error, if you think that it's so important for us to know who everyone is why don't you lead the way and get yourself fitted with a chip?

ID-ing by looking at faces is good enough and has been done for ever. Finger printing is not possible in most situations. Retinal scanning maybe better but, again, not easy.

If chip implants become mandatory I wouldn't object.

Originally Posted by flash

As for the man who escaped by wearing a disguise, thats what criminals do, they are pretty dishonest in general. I think the fact that he murdered someone would tell you that he isn't a normal member of the public.

Correct. It's the bad people we're trying to identify. What's your point?

Originally Posted by flash

The fact that this board is made up of expats who are living in a different culture make's you sound hypocritical as i'm sure if you looked closely enough at yourself you may overstep the mark from time to time in the country you reside, granted maybe not to the same extent as covering your face but you do it.so what gives anyone in your positition the right to make the judgement that somebody else's veiws/values/cultures etc should be ammended?

What absolute rubbish.

Originally Posted by stroller

There is no rule about veiled women boarding a bus in Michigan.

Yes there is.
"Rapid bus system spokeswoman Jennifer Kalczuk said. The rule was issued earlier this year so that an on-board camera system could help identify riders if there is a disturbance."

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by RDN

After 911 many people complained that steps weren't taken to prevent people hijacking planes and flying them into skyscrapers. "Why didn't the FBI take notice of the flying instructor who reported the guy who wasn't interested in landings and take-offs, just going up and down and left and right?"

Is this comparable in any way to a veiled woman boarding a bus?
Some common sense here, please.

With the risk of sounding a bit like Eliminator, you really do need to read what I wrote.

I shall try to explain the point again: Before 911 no one thought people would learn to fly planes so they could hijack them and fly them into sky-scrapers.

And here we are, now, at this very moment reading posts from people who say "we should let Muslim women wear full burqas because nobody would dress like that to conceal their identity."

Do we have to wait until someone has done it before you believe it is possible?


Oh, wait a minute, it already happened - the Somali murderer who escaped the UK wearing his sister's burqa.

Yes there is.
"Rapid bus system spokeswoman Jennifer Kalczuk said. The rule was issued earlier this year so that an on-board camera system could help identify riders if there is a disturbance."

Ok, I stand corrected, that must be on page 2, which I didn't read, since I couldn't be bothered to register.
Curious though, that noone pointed this out before, since i asked for this info a few pages back.

Marmite jars can contain kryptonite. I demand they be taken off the shelves before Superman gets hurt. I'm not from Krypton, but I dont find your avatar funny.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Thetyim

We are talking about expecting someone to obey the rules of the country that they are living in.

There is no rule about veiled women boarding a bus in Michigan.

There WAS at the time of the incident. Didn't you read the links posted earlier?

Wait a minute, yes, you did - because you asked about people being photographed as they boarded buses. And the truth is: they ARE photographed. So why did you make the post I've quoted?

Originally Posted by RDN

Oh, wait a minute, it already happened - the Somali murderer who escaped the UK wearing his sister's burqa.

Is this as close as you've come to Michigan in your research?
I could stick some Semtex up my backside and blow up a bus in THailand, would you advocate anal exams before entering public buses in the UK on that basis?

OK, I just read your post above. I think you'll find that I did point this out.

Another post you didn't read, maybe?

Originally Posted by RDN

Wait a minute, yes, you did - because you asked about people being photographed as they boarded buses. And the truth is: they ARE photographed. So why did you make the post I've quoted?

Because I didn't read page 2, and noone bothered to answer my questions from several pages back.

Fekk, what's wrong with Issues this days?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by RDN

Oh, wait a minute, it already happened - the Somali murderer who escaped the UK wearing his sister's burqa.

Is this as close as you've come to Michigan in your research?
I could stick some Semtex up my backside and blow up a bus in THailand, would you advocate anal exams before entering public buses in the UK on that basis?

I'm not Googling for it. I think the point has already been made...

Semtex up your arse? Please can I light the fuse?

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by RDN

Wait a minute, yes, you did - because you asked about people being photographed as they boarded buses. And the truth is: they ARE photographed. So why did you make the post I've quoted?

Because I didn't read page 2, and noone bothered to answer my questions from several pages back.

Fekk, what's wrong with Issues this days?

- it's all because of the people who don't read the page 2's.

Originally Posted by RDN

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by RDN

Oh, wait a minute, it already happened - the Somali murderer who escaped the UK wearing his sister's burqa.

Is this as close as you've come to Michigan in your research?
I could stick some Semtex up my backside and blow up a bus in THailand, would you advocate anal exams before entering public buses in the UK on that basis?

I'm not Googling for it. I think the point has already been made...

Semtex up your arse? Please can I light the fuse?

I think you need an electrical charge....no fuse required.

Originally Posted by RDN

Another post you didn't read, maybe?

One of the few in Issues, yes, I just searched for it. I was wrong.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by RDN

Another post you didn't read, maybe?

One of the few in Issues, yes, I just searched for it. I was wrong.

Your honesty and apology much appreciated! Kudos to you.

Originally Posted by RDN

Paranoia? I want sensible precautions to be taken to allow everybody to be identified when in public, irrespective of their religion. Quite simple really.

"Paranoia" IS the wrong word and so is "bigoted", although I know you would like to turn this into some anti-muslim bigotry thread, but it isn't going to happen.

Are you going to call for a ban on makeup as well? It seems like you people are only picking on the burqa.

Originally Posted by surasak

Are you going to call for a ban on makeup as well? It seems like you people are only picking on the burqa.

Well, it's not like the Sikhs are hiding bombs in their turbans are they?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, it's not like the Sikhs are hiding bombs in their turbans are they?

There's always a first time...

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The burqa is a physical manifestation, whether it is worn willingly, or, not, of the oppression of women by men.

Apparently those women wear g-strings and sexy outfits under those dark clothes. Again this maybe the best to protect us. Would you imagine one of those whales walking down the street with those short pink dresses and g-strings ? it could be lethal for sure causing traffic cahos, sore eyesight, and emotional distress.

The burka is there for our protection, really

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

OK, here's another angle.

The burqa is a physical manifestation, whether it is worn willingly, or, not, of the oppression of women by men.
In a country that is democratic and gives equal rights to women the burqa is an affront to both men and women.
Let's not forget the purpose of the burqa. It is to protect men from being inflamed by the sight of a women, forcing him to dishonour her.
In other words, men in our western society cannot be trusted to not "dishonour" the lady in question.
I myself, see it as a big "fuck-you and your western values" symbol.

I reminded of the story of Vlad Tepes, Dracula, upon receiving emmisaries from Sultan Mehmed II. The emmisaries paid homage in accordance with their customs. They did not remove their hats. Dracula asked them: "why do you behave in this way? You introduce yourselves to me and then do me dishonor." They answered: "This is the custom with the rulers of our country." The Wallacian prince spoke back: " I, too, would like to strengthen your customs, so that you may adhere to them more so rigidly." It was then that he ordered his men to bring nails and hammers. They secured the hats to the emmisaries' heads as to their beliefs. And Dracula said to them: "Go and tell your master that he may be accustomed to suffer such indignity from his own people. We, however, are not so accustomed. Let him not send either to this country or elsewhere abroad, ambassadors exporting his new customs, for we shall not receive them."

There are some things which define our culture that we should not give ground on. Making women second class citizens, demonizing women and making them scapegoats should not be reintroduced to our culture under the guise of tolerance for a person's customs.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by surasak

Are you going to call for a ban on makeup as well? It seems like you people are only picking on the burqa.

Well, it's not like the Sikhs are hiding bombs in their turbans are they?

They might, therefore, we should ban them to prevent it from happening!

What about coats and jackets?

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

OK, here's another angle.

The burqa is a physical manifestation, whether it is worn willingly, or, not, of the oppression of women by men.
In a country that is democratic and gives equal rights to women the burqa is an affront to both men and women.
Let's not forget the purpose of the burqa. It is to protect men from being inflamed by the sight of a women, forcing him to dishonour her.
In other words, men in our western society cannot be trusted to not "dishonour" the lady in question.
I myself, see it as a big "fuck-you and your western values" symbol.

I suppose it's far more civilized to make Western women feel hideous and second-class if they don't have big breasts, big asses, and blonde hair?

Yeah, heaven knows that never degrades women.

Why do we worry so much about what other people wear?