Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
Valid points, but we have both historical record and evidence from such things as ice bores to tell us exactly what was going on going back centuries, and in the case of cyclical events, millenia.

And they all point to the same thing:

We're fucking up the climate.

Now it may be that eventually it would shift to the point where it's too hostile for human survival anyway. But why rush it?
It’s also worth remembering that historical measurements were not as accurate, or as complete as they are today. As I’m sure you are aware, statistics can be presented in misleading ways.

Im not a denier, just a cynic. When climate scientists don’t find what they have predicted, there is always a temptation to make the evidence fit the prediction. That’s just human nature.

I always go back to mining. 90% of material dug from the ground is spoil or waste. It matters not whether it’s coal, gold, or diamonds, the net result is the same. Localized pollution on a horrendous scale.
Has anyone ever considered what happens to the space left behind, when millions of barrels of crude oil are extracted around the world on a daily basis? Whatever material fills the void left by extraction, has to come from somewhere?