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Quote Originally Posted by GR3
You say we have moved the goal posts, that is wrong. The Dinosaurs became extinct because of climate change (not man made I might add!), there are paintings of people skating on the frozen Thames and Scotland in the past had Vineyards. So you are again misrepresenting what we have always said, in fact you are accusing us of the very crime your side are guilty off. First it was global warming then in the face of cooling you changed the name to climate change in order to hedge your bets.
Yes the dino's were killed off by climate change and yes that climate change was not of their doing. But given this lesson of what can happen when climate change occurs do you not think it would be rather foolish to then go off and deliberately cause that very change that has repeated caused extinctions in geological history?

Your problem is that you have already decided what you want to thruth to be, i.e. that climate change is not an issue that needs to be worried about. You have then gone off and found yourself an internet echo chamber which tells you what you want to hear.... a truth you never question. You come on here and make your claims, claims that are constantly being made on this thread, and claims that have been repeated debunked. An honest person, would come tell us these truths they believe in and explain how the debunking is incorrect.... but just like all denalist's you never do this. NAswering ones critics with evidence that their criticism is incorrect is what separates the Galileo's from the cranks. Please feel free to demonstrate you are not one of the cranks.
You could make an impressive start by explaining how the debunking of that rather tired 'but there were vinyards in the UK' claim are wrong.... rather than just posting it like a parrot.
You are not listening to me, if I type it in a big font will you listen? I have never said as you claim that climate change is not an issue to be concerned about. Indeed it is an issue to be concerned about. As the population of this planet rises and as we have already passed peak oil we will not be able to feed enough of the planet soon to stop food wars. Even slight changes in climate will make this worse. If climate change is natural and not manmade then we are fucked as there is nothing we can do but prepare for the worst. And all your bleating and taxing of carbon will make no difference. If it is manmade and we are going to melt the planet then I have to ask where are all those oil billionaires who pay the denyalist lobby going to live? The answers to manmade warming are out there google Tesla, why aren’t the governments investing my carbon tax into free energy for all? I work on VIP jets, why do I see daily so many of the green lobby flying out of London on private jet aircraft? If I was God I would cull three quarters of the human race and save the planet from mankind. I'm against the use of all oil. I'm a Vegetarian, don’t drink, don’t smoke and keep fit. I am not some kind of burn the candle at both ends and fuck the planet globalist. I do however see man made global warming as a red herring to raise tax for governments.

The Venerable Bede (c. 635-735) mentions vines in his ‘Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation’. In the Doomsday book thirty-eight vineyards are mentioned, some several acres of size.
The world has been cooling for 2000 years.


How did the Romans grow grapes in northern England? Perhaps because it was warmer than we thought.

A study suggests the Britain of 2,000 years ago experienced a lengthy period of hotter summers than today.

Tree-ring study proves that climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is in the modern industrial age | Mail Online


Why has global warming stalled?

BBC News - Why has global warming stalled?