Any doubts about Climate Change?

**S Landreth** · 19-05-2017, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

JMA – April 2017

The monthly anomaly of the global average surface temperature in April 2017 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) was +0.38°C above the 1981-2010 average (+0.77°C above the 20th century average), and was the 2nd warmest since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.76°C per century.

Five Warmest Years (Anomalies)

1st. 2016 (+0.54°C), 2nd. 2017 (+0.38°C), 3rd. 2014,1998 (+0.31°C), 5th. 2015 (+0.30°C)

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NASA - April 2017 (second warmest recorded)

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NOAA – April 2017 (second warmest recorded)

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Copernicus – April 2017

April 2017 extended the spell of exceptional global warmth that has now lasted since mid-2015. Although the global temperature anomaly peaked in February 2016 and declined steadily until June that year, it rose again in July and August, and has remained high since. February and March 2017 were the most anomalous months since April 2016. April 2017 was less extreme, but still:

• 0.51 degrees C warmer than the average April from 1981-2010;
• the second warmest April on record;
• 0.18 degrees C cooler than April 2016.

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Glacier National Park Is Losing Its Glaciers

Of the 150 glaciers that existed it the park in the late 19th century, only 26 remain.

The loss of glaciers potentially affects not just tourism to the park, which hit a record 2.9 million visitors last year, but also local ecosystems that depend on the summer release of glacial meltwater.

The pristine, 1 million-acre park sits along the border with Canada in Montana and has long been a poster child for climate change in U.S. national parks. Side-by-side photo comparisons show in the starkest terms just how far some glaciers have retreated, with some only reduced to small nubs of ice.

The retreat has happened as temperatures in the region have risen by 1.5°F since 1895 as heat-trapping greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere.

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Alaska’s thawing soils are now pouring carbon dioxide into the air

The new study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggests that frozen northern soils — often called permafrost — are unleashing an increasing amount of carbon dioxide into the air as they thaw in summer or subsequently fail to refreeze as they once did, particularly in late fall and early winter.

“Over a large area, we’re seeing a substantial increase in the amount of CO2 that’s coming out in the fall,” said Roisin Commane, a Harvard atmospheric scientist who is the lead author of the study. The research was published by 19 authors from a variety of institutions, including NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

The study, based on aircraft measurements of carbon dioxide and methane and tower measurements from Barrow, Alaska, found that from 2012 through 2014, the state emitted the equivalent of 220 million tons of carbon dioxide gas into the atmosphere from biological sources (the figure excludes fossil fuel burning and wildfires). That’s an amount comparable to all the emissions from the U.S. commercial sector in a single year.

The chief reason for the greater CO2 release was that as Alaska has warmed up, emissions from once frozen tundra in winter are increasing — presumably because the ground is not refreezing as quickly.

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The warming that has occurred over the past 160 years has not been the same everywhere. Certain regions, such as the Arctic, have warmed far more than the Southern Ocean for example. How well do our climate models represent these differences?

One way of examining the regional differences in warming is to look at the average for each latitude (or zonal mean). Instead of showing monthly values of global average surface temperature (as in some previous graphics), this shows annual values, averaged around latitude circles. Thanks to Matt England (UNSW) for suggesting this zonal mean idea.

The figure below shows the zonal mean from observations (left) and the average of many different climate models (right). The different coloured lines represent every year from 1861-2016. The dashed horizontal lines indicate the 1.5°C and 2°C global temperature targets suggested by the UNFCCC in the Paris Agreement.

Forgot one yesterday. Something to think about,.....

There are diseases hidden in the ice, and they are waking up.

Long-dormant bacteria and viruses, trapped in ice and permafrost for centuries, are reviving as Earth's climate warms

Throughout history, humans have existed side-by-side with bacteria and viruses. From the bubonic plague to smallpox, we have evolved to resist them, and in response they have developed new ways of infecting us.

We have had antibiotics for almost a century, ever since Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin. In response, bacteria have responded by evolving antibiotic resistance. The battle is endless: because we spend so much time with pathogens, we sometimes develop a kind of natural stalemate.

However, what would happen if we were suddenly exposed to deadly bacteria and viruses that have been absent for thousands of years, or that we have never met before?

We may be about to find out. Climate change is melting permafrost soils that have been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria that, having lain dormant, are springing back to life.

In August 2016, in a remote corner of Siberian tundra called the Yamal Peninsula in the Arctic Circle, a 12-year-old boy died and at least twenty people were hospitalised after being infected by anthrax.

The theory is that, over 75 years ago, a reindeer infected with anthrax died and its frozen carcass became trapped under a layer of frozen soil, known as permafrost. There it stayed until a heatwave in the summer of 2016, when the permafrost thawed.

This exposed the reindeer corpse and released infectious anthrax into nearby water and soil, and then into the food supply. More than 2,000 reindeer grazing nearby became infected, which then led to the small number of human cases.

The fear is that this will not be an isolated case.

**blue** · 19-05-2017, 06:35 PM

Fake news Article

Climate change is turning Antarctica green, say researchers
https://www.theguardian.com/science/...ay-reseatchers

Antarctica may conjure up an image of a pristine white landscape, but researchers say climate change is turning the continent green.
Scientists studying banks of moss in Antarctica have found that the quantity of moss, and the rate of plant growth, has shot up in the past 50 years, suggesting the continent may have a verdant future.

Real headline should read
Antarctica might go green say scientists (only 2km of ice and 50C of warming to go)

More great journalism from The Guardian:
Climate change is turning Antarctica green, say researchers Or maybe it isn’t.

Check out the brave actual prediction:
“Antarctica is not going to become entirely green, but it will become more green than it currently is,” said Matt Amesbury, co-author of the research from the University of Exeter.

Antarctica might go green say scientists (only 2km of ice and 50C of warming to go) « JoNova

So some bits of moss are growing on some corners of Antarctica. Should we thank the blob of superheated magma lying underneath?

**S Landreth** · 03-06-2017, 03:37 AM

May 2017 Lower Troposphere - from the science denier Roy Spencer

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for May, 2017 was +0.45 deg. C, up from the April, 2017 value of +0.27 deg. C

Looks like the second warmest May recorded (May 2016 was at 0.54)

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From RSS - Lower Troposphere (May 2017 not included)

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They are a bit late (HadCRUT4) to post with my JMA, NOAA, NASA and Copernicus monthly information but I will start including The MET Office results each month when I post the lower troposhere information in the future.

For now, The MET Office – April 2017, second hottest recorded.

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Arctic Sea Ice Volume

**chassamui** · 03-06-2017, 12:02 PM

Melting glaciers also release methane gas formerly trapped below semi permanent ice sheets.
Apologies if this has already been covered, been away a lot.

**Takeovers** · 03-06-2017, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Melting glaciers also release methane gas formerly trapped below semi permanent ice sheets.

I think methane is more of a concern for melting permafrost, mostly in Siberia but I guess in Alaska too. I am not too sure how severe this is. Methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 but it gets absorbed into the biosphere much faster. It does not linger as long in the air.

**Klondyke** · 03-06-2017, 02:59 PM

Putin on Paris climate change agreement: ‘Don’t worry, be happy’

Russian President Vladimir Putin has called for calm in the wake of Donald Trump’s decision to pull the US out of the Paris Agreement, joking that any bad weather encountered around the globe could now be blamed on ‘American imperialism’.
Speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), the Russian president said the panic surrounding Trump’s decision has been blown way out of proportion, noting that there is still time before the agreement, which was signed in 2015, goes into effect.

"Don't worry, be happy," Putin said in English.

“It’s about preventing temperature changes of two degrees,” he reminded the audience, noting that “we here [at the forum] somehow do not yet feel that the temperature is rising.”

“By the way, we should be grateful to President Trump. In Moscow it’s raining and cold and even, they say, some snow. Now we could blame this all on American imperialism, that it’s all their fault. But we won’t.”

https://www.rt.com/news/390612-dont-...limate-change/

**Passing Through** · 03-06-2017, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

I think methane is more of a concern for melting permafrost, mostly in Siberia but I guess in Alaska too. I am not too sure how severe this is. Methane is a much more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2 but it gets absorbed into the biosphere much faster. It does not linger as long in the air.

The short-term worry is methane release from decomposition of melting permafrost but a more long-term worry is destablization of oceanic hydrates. Atmospheric concentrations of methane were level for some time but in the last decade or so, they've been increasing again. There's certainly been an increase in Siberian off-gassing - the East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a real problem area because there's an absolute shitload of carbon there ready to go and it's very shallow and therefore highly at risk of warming. I think at the moment, this is somewhat minor but this is certainly going to be a major source of greenhouse gases, and it's one we will likely lose control of.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-06-2017, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

"Don't worry, be happy," Putin said in English.

No he definitely said "Don't whirry, Be hhheppy".

Which he probably is because he's doing his tits with the oil price at the current level.

**Takeovers** · 03-06-2017, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Passing Through

the East Siberian Arctic Shelf is a real problem area because there's an absolute shitload of carbon there ready to go and it's very shallow and therefore highly at risk of warming.

I refuse to even think of that. If that methane hydrate shelf becomes unstable and is released suddenly it could become an Extinction Level Event. I guess humanity would survive as stone age tribes.

**RPETER65** · 08-06-2017, 03:23 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=iEPW_P7GVB8

Sorry I forgot to take off the s

**S Landreth** · 08-06-2017, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=iEPW_P7GVB8

Sorry I forgot to take off the s

Still no science dippy?

Climate Denier - Ian Plimer (the person in dippy’s video)

July, 2009

“There is no problem with global warming. It stopped in 1998. The last two years of global cooling have erased nearly 30 years of temperature increase.”

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2009

Ian Plimer Published Heaven and Earth. The book asserts that the temperature changes we have observed in the 20th century are within the “normal range of variability,” that significant global warming is not happening and that there is negligible human impact on warming.

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Five years ago British engineer Alan Rudge and Australian geologist Ian Plimer – both members of the GWPF academic advisory council – bet Hope £1,000 each that the Earth would be cooling by now, not warming.

Hope bet that average global temperatures in 2015 would be no more than 0.1°C cooler than in 2008.

As data released by the UK Met Office on 20 January revealed, the average global temperature in 2015 was 0.75°C higher than the long-term average between 1961 and 1990. The Met Office expects 2016 to beat this record.

When compared with the pre-industrial period, the 2015 average global temperature was around 1°C above the long-term average from 1850 to 1900 the Met Office said.

Temperature data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) also showed that 2015 surface temperatures were the warmest since modern record keeping began in 1880.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

May 2017 Lower Troposphere - from the science denier Roy Spencer

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for May, 2017 was +0.45 deg. C, up from the April, 2017 value of +0.27 deg. C

Looks like the second warmest May recorded (May 2016 was at 0.54)

correction: 3rd warmest May (1998 was also warmer at .64)

**RPETER65** · 08-06-2017, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by RPETER65

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=iEPW_P7GVB8

Sorry I forgot to take off the s

Still no science dippy?

Climate Denier - Ian Plimer (the person in dippy’s video)

July, 2009

“There is no problem with global warming. It stopped in 1998. The last two years of global cooling have erased nearly 30 years of temperature increase.”

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2009

Ian Plimer Published Heaven and Earth. The book asserts that the temperature changes we have observed in the 20th century are within the “normal range of variability,” that significant global warming is not happening and that there is negligible human impact on warming.

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Five years ago British engineer Alan Rudge and Australian geologist Ian Plimer – both members of the GWPF academic advisory council – bet Hope £1,000 each that the Earth would be cooling by now, not warming.

Hope bet that average global temperatures in 2015 would be no more than 0.1°C cooler than in 2008.

As data released by the UK Met Office on 20 January revealed, the average global temperature in 2015 was 0.75°C higher than the long-term average between 1961 and 1990. The Met Office expects 2016 to beat this record.

When compared with the pre-industrial period, the 2015 average global temperature was around 1°C above the long-term average from 1850 to 1900 the Met Office said.

Temperature data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) also showed that 2015 surface temperatures were the warmest since modern record keeping began in 1880.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

May 2017 Lower Troposphere - from the science denier Roy Spencer

The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for May, 2017 was +0.45 deg. C, up from the April, 2017 value of +0.27 deg. C

Looks like the second warmest May recorded (May 2016 was at 0.54)

correction: 3rd warmest May (1998 was also warmer at .64)

Sorry dippy but geology is science and this science has a lot to say about the variations in the global climate.

**bsnub** · 08-06-2017, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Sorry dippy but geology is science and this science has a lot to say about the variations in the global climate.

No it doesn't and it has been debunked. Ian Plimer is a shill for the mining industry;

Plimer has been a director of numerous mining companies including Ivanhoe Australia, a subsidiary of Bob Friedland's Ivanhoe Mines, CBH Resources, Kefi Minerals, Silver City Minerals, Ormil Energy Ltd, TNT Mines, Niuminco Group and Lakes Oil.

Another fail by repeter666.

**RPETER65** · 08-06-2017, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Sorry dippy but geology is science and this science has a lot to say about the variations in the global climate.

No it doesn't and it has been debunked. Ian Plimer is a shill for the mining industry;

Plimer has been a director of numerous mining companies including Ivanhoe Australia, a subsidiary of Bob Friedland's Ivanhoe Mines, CBH Resources, Kefi Minerals, Silver City Minerals, Ormil Energy Ltd, TNT Mines, Niuminco Group and Lakes Oil.

Another fail by repeter666.

There is no fail here,if you think geology is not a science that plays a large role in the investigation into the cause of climate changes over the history of the earth you are a moron. Get away from your liberal news sources,of which you don't seem to care to share, and come on into the real world.
So you think you can discredit the work of a scientist by posting who there employer is,I think not as everybody works for somebody and the climate science alarmist are working for a very liberal govt. intent on supporting a large scale wealth redistribution scheme.

**bsnub** · 09-06-2017, 05:34 AM

^ You really are a blathering idiot. The man is pushing junk discredited garbage. Have you ever hear of conflict of interest? Working for the oil and gas or mining industries is a major red flag you idiot. Those industries have been tying to discredit climate change for decades and this clown happens to be the director of several mining companies. He stands to benefit financially by discrediting climate change.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Get away from your liberal news sources,of which you don't seem to care to share, and come on into the real world.

What would you suggest Brietbart or maybe the gateway pundit?

Fcuking lemming.

**chassamui** · 09-06-2017, 07:42 AM

I find it amusing that some people, even alleged scientists, debate that climate change is not happening.
Outside the natural cyclic events recorded through history, there are changes taking place. The reason it is a problem is quite simple. Firstly there can be no doubt that whatever cyclic natural changes are taking place, anthropomorphic changes are a major contributory factor. Secondly, due in no small part to human behaviour, the pace of these changes and the subsequent feedback loops it creates are accelerating the pace of natural cyclic changes.
The net result is, and will continue to be, an adverse effect on the ability of man and natural processes to adapt to such rapid changes. (Adaptation is the only possible way to ameliorate these effects).
Anyone suggesting otherwise is a moron, or a paid lobbyist.

**RPETER65** · 09-06-2017, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ You really are a blathering idiot. The man is pushing junk discredited garbage. Have you ever hear of conflict of interest? Working for the oil and gas or mining industries is a major red flag you idiot. Those industries have been tying to discredit climate change for decades and this clown happens to be the director of several mining companies. He stands to benefit financially by discrediting climate change.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Get away from your liberal news sources,of which you don't seem to care to share, and come on into the real world.

What would you suggest Brietbart or maybe the gateway pundit?

Fcuking lemming.

You are making my point for me, no matter who you work for there is money and working for the progressives in support of man caused climate change is very lucrative.The real objective of these progressives is a huge scheme of wealth redistribution in the world.
The other thing hear is can you show proof that the science of geology doesn't shed light on the cause of a changing global climate. Can you show irrefutable proof the points made in the video are not fact.
By the way, still waiting for you to reveal your news sources.

Not suggesting any particular news source but a mix of conservative and liberal and then,if your able, use some critical thinking to come to an intelligent conclusion.

**chassamui** · 09-06-2017, 10:06 PM

RJP It does not mean that, just because you can't understand it, it isn't happening exactly as I described it.

Ae you a moron or a lobbyist?

**longway** · 17-06-2017, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by longway

the source to the claim that 97% of climate scientists believe in man made global warning.

a much heralded claim that 97 per cent of scientists believed the planet was overheating came from a 2008 master’s thesis by a student at the University of Illinois who obtained her results by conducting a survey of 10,257 earth scientists, then discarding the views of all but 77 of them. Of those 77 scientists, 75 thought humans contributed to climate change. The ratio 75/77 produced the 97-per-cent figure that global warming activists then touted.”

Lawrence Solomon: Finally it?s safe for the whistleblowers of corrupted climate science to speak out

The claim that 97% of scientists agree on climate science MIGHT be true, but I would need to know more about how it was derived to judge its credibility.

Do you think that is fair?

No, I think you're posting more bullshit from people who know fuck all about the subject.

All of the evidence you seek is reported and documented here.

Take the time to read it, then go and beat yourself with a wet kipper for being such a dribbling moron.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/glo...termediate.htm

I finally had a chance to look into this link and I found the 97% consensus claim is propaganda, its a conflation of those believing in MMCC and those who think it will lead to disastrous consequences.

A 2013 study by Andrew Montford of the Global Warming Policy Foundation found that Cook had to cast a wide net to cram scientists into his so-called consensus. To be part of Cook’s consensus, a scientific study only needed to agree carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and that human activities have warmed the planet “to some unspecified extent” — both of which are uncontroversial points.

The extent to which the warming in the last two decades of the twentieth century was man-made and the likely extent of any future warming remain highly contentious scientific issues.”

A paper by five leading climatologists published in the journal Science and Education found only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate studies examined in Cook’s study explicitly stated mankind has caused most of the warming since 1950 — meaning the actual consensus is 0.3 percent.

So the consensus for catastrophic man-made climate change is less than 1%.

Top MIT Climate Scientist Trashes ?97% Consensus? Claim | The Daily Caller

**harrybarracuda** · 17-06-2017, 05:37 AM

More bollocks funded by the fossil fuel industry.

Little surprise that an idiot like you swallowed it.

**DrB0b** · 17-06-2017, 05:46 AM

Jesus! I hadn't realised there were still people who didn't understand about climate change. Do they also believe in witchcraft and Prince Charles' ability to cure scrofula? Thankfully their genetic line will soon die out as they don't believe in vaccination either.

**blue** · 17-06-2017, 06:28 AM

We OVERSTAND the issue Bob..

And
The fire in London was caused by Man Made Global Warming nutters at Kensington council, trying to get in the EU's good books by wrapping the buildings up..
to make it become a Zero-Energy Building...

That Grenfell tower with its lovely 1970's naked concrete never stood a chance..

**RPETER65** · 17-06-2017, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

More bollocks funded by the fossil fuel industry.

Little surprise that an idiot like you swallowed it.

Proof?

**harrybarracuda** · 17-06-2017, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

More bollocks funded by the fossil fuel industry.

Little surprise that an idiot like you swallowed it.

Proof?

Throughout this thread every time you or another idiot posts big oil propaganda. Try reading it.

**longway** · 18-06-2017, 12:18 AM

No rebuttal then. Ok.

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