Thread: 9/11 truth

If you think my opinions are mad, you should check some of the pom idiots who think that England will win the ashes in the cricket thread.

not very likely is it..

little hole, big plane, no bits.

and this is my favourite.
the outer wall before it collapsed after being struck by a not plane.



note the enormous boeing sized 16 foot entry hole

even the wire spools were left untouched.
quite amazing.
spot the hole, spot the boeing.

Has anyone ever actually seen a passenger jet crash? What about the impact crater?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

...See, here lies the beginning of your problem. Your overconfidence on something you know little or nothing about. Keep an open mind, it helps. Btw, it was a "missile" and hopefully one day you will wake up and realized how fooled you have been. Hopefully no biggie.

And I could say exactly the same about you. Except you'd rather believe the totally ridiculous and are not interested in the blatantly obvious.

Oh, and maybe you'd like to tell us where all the people went, who boarded flight 77 which never landed.


Or did it?

Originally Posted by surasak

...When thinking of conspiracies it's best to know what you're dealing with...

But not if you're a "conspiracy theorist".

Originally Posted by Niteowl

^RDN, calm down. You have to realize you can't win a rational debate with these people - because they're not rational, and this isn't a debate. If it were a debate, they would present their own evidence, facts, logic, and reasoning to prove the position that they've taken. They haven't done so, because they haven't any. What they have, is feelings of inadequacy, marginalization, and persecution, probably fueled by (real or imagined) impotence. You should pity them, much the way you would the fourth-place finisher in the Special Olympics. I know I do.

Well said. Leave the loonie fringe to themselves.

Well monkey boy Bush managed to pull off the most remarkable coordinated attack on his own people.
The government couldn't manage to kill Castro but they managed to pull this off.

Yes indeedy CMN you really have all your brain cells firing on some hi-grade fuel.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Yes indeedy CMN you really have all your brain cells firing on some hi-grade fuel.

I don't think he's into liquor - a beerdrinker, as far as I know.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Yes indeedy CMN you really have all your brain cells firing on some hi-grade fuel.

I don't think he's into liquor - a beerdrinker, as far as I know.

One could argue that Singha is pretty 'high-grade' beer.
Especially if it's warm...

last time I was sober, man I felt bad
worst hangover that I ever had
it took six hamburgers and scotch all night
nicotine for breakfast just to put me right
'cos if you wanna run cool
if you wanna run cool
if you wanna run cool, you got to run
on heavy, heavy fuel

my life makes perfect sense
lust and food and violence
sex and money are my major kicks
get me in a fight I like dirty tricks
'cos if you wanna run cool
yes if you wanna run cool, you got to run
on heavy, heavy fuel

my chick loves a man who's strong
the things she'll do to turn me on
I love the babes, don't get me wrong
hey, that's why I wrote this song

I don't care if my liver is hanging by a thread
don't care if my doctor says I ought to be dead
when my ugly big car won't climb this hill
I'll write a suicide note on a hundred dollar bill
'cos if you wanna run cool
if you wanna run cool
yes if you wanna run cool, you got to run
on heavy, heavy fuel

Dire Straights, 1991

Great song.

You guys are totally daft!!!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Well monkey boy Bush managed to pull off the most remarkable coordinated attack on his own people.

It is truly remarkable, I quite agree.
I doubt however that Bush was pulling any strings.

After succesfully proving that the the pentagon was not hit by a plane, we should move on soon to discuss the twin towers lies.

What should a building look like when hit by a 128,000 lb. aluminum can?

Did you know that if an airplane like the one that hit the Pentagon were compressed into a solid it would only displace 21m^3 (753ft^3)?

How big of a hole would you expect?

Half a locomotive. That's the equivalent weight of a 757-223.

Any questions?

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Well monkey boy Bush managed to pull off the most remarkable coordinated attack on his own people.

It is truly remarkable, I quite agree.
I doubt however that Bush was pulling any strings.

After succesfully proving that the the pentagon was not hit by a plane, we should move on soon to discuss the twin towers lies.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77

American Airlines Flight 77, from Washington to Los Angeles, crashed into the Pentagon with 59 people aboard.



CREW

Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the wife of Kenneth Lewis.

Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was a flight attendant and the husband of Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.



PASSENGERS

Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng

CMN perhaps you could explain what happened to these people and the Boeing 757 they were on?

Originally Posted by surasak

Did you know that if an airplane like the one that hit the Pentagon were compressed into a solid it would only displace 21m^3 (753ft^3)?

yes but it wouldn't fly very bloody far.

in fact, you'd probably call such an object a missile.

And if a big ball of aluminum hit a wall one foot thick reinforced concrete what do you suspect would happen to the aluminum?

I am not a scientist, but doesn't one need to consider the kinetic energy, even with a low mass, the plane would have a very strong force.