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    Quote Originally Posted by Hootad Binky View Post
    So in other words there's no difference between terrorism and state-sponsored terrorism, since civilians are harmed in both cases anyway. Ok. So?
    ...
    So don't focus exclusively on one and condemn it, but don't even perceive the other.
    Some posters have been very good at turning a blind eye.

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    I'm an almost pacifist: If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    It's funny seeing the outrage over a primative rocket when the Israelis have the latest tanks, aircraft, and nukes.

    Are you saying that Katuschas don't kill people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    And what is the overall death toll of those compared to what the other side accomplished with modern weapons?

    Israel getting pissed off about rockets is like me getting pissed because my neighbor bought a slingshot. Yeah, I might get popped once in awhile but it's no match for my arsenal. He shoots me with a rock, I kill 20 of his cattle. Who's the terrorist? The one throwing the rock or the one responding disproportionately?

    Reminds me of the story "David and Goliath".
    The difference is that the guy using the slingshot was a clever jew boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    It's funny seeing the outrage over a primative rocket when the Israelis have the latest tanks, aircraft, and nukes.
    Indeed. Why is it intollerable for the Israelis to live with a hotpotch of 1940s designed Soviet era Hezbollah rockets aimed at their northern outposts while they have a 200 missile nuclear arsenal pointed at half the capital cities in the Middle East?

    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    And what is the overall death toll of those compared to what the other side accomplished with modern weapons?
    O.K. if you are going to start this counting game again then I want to add my high math skills to your genius statement.

    If both sides continue the killing rate non stop 24 hours a day for lets say 3 years. Who will win?


    Why are YOU so concerned about the numbers...the Arabs sure are'nt.
    A life means nothing to them, and that includes their own children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    Is a person who straps a bomb on themselves and blows up a target any different of a terrorist than the one who flys a plane and drops a bomb on a target?
    What Nutjob would strap a bomb arround their own child?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    Collateral damage?


    ...your learning fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post

    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
    ^ Do we need to post Holocaust photos to show how nice white Christians treat others?
    I'am still waiting for that hatefull -babarian- animal -JEW to blow himself up, or take his son, or a passenger plane, or a nuclear bomb (since Israel has it) and blow a german or Germany in bits and pieces.



    * To find Love & Forgiveness in the muslim world is like trying to find a jew with a name Adolf !!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post

    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

    Did'nt you say something like this?
    If you are not an Arab then of course you did'nt!
    And you will have to Google for the answer (don't worry it is not hard to find)

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    Quote Originally Posted by surasak View Post
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    Have it both ways? How am I trying to have it both ways? Are you proposing to speak for me for what Israel did in Leboman? It's 5:30am so I'm a little drowsy here and I may be getting confused.

    There intent was to kill civilians on the penatagon flight. Therefore the civialns are not collataral they are part of the planned misery and terror the terrorists wished to inflict.

    After all, empty passenger jets are hard to come by, aren't they?
    Am i supposed to answer that?
    What civilians were they intending to kill? The ones on the plane? If the target was the Pentagon then the passengers were merely collateral damage as those Lebanese civilians were who died during the Israeli air campaign. The fact that the civilians happened to be on the plane is not all that important if the goal was to crash into the Pentagon since empty airliners are extremely rare at 8-10AM in the morning.

    If the premise is that an intentional grounding of a plane was in fact an intended consequence to kill civilians as well as hit a military target then you must also accept that any action in war that kills civilians is intentional as well.

    Yeah, I can see it now:

    "United Airlines, how may we help you?"

    "Yeah, I need a 737 to crash into the Pentagon on 9-11. Can you make sure there's no passengers aboard? Oh, and don't tell anyone. Thaaaaaaanks."

    Jesus Surasak your right. Those stupid Jews! They are just to dumb to even kill people. Can I please send your post to the Israelie Airforce and tell them how it is realy done.
    Master Plan from Surasak.......
    Airforce on the alert....
    Shoot down every (muslim) passenger airplane over the Middle East..
    not only will we kill all the people on the plane....
    the planes will eventually hit /hopefully a city and more collateral damage will be done...
    don't return with any bombs...
    just drop the rest off somewhere...

    Ahhhh and don't tell anyone that you belong to the IAF
    THAAAAAAAAAANKS

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
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    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

    Did'nt you say something like this?
    If you are not an Arab then of course you did'nt!
    And you will have to Google for the answer (don't worry it is not hard to find)
    Come on don't be coy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post

    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

    Did'nt you say something like this?
    If you are not an Arab then of course you did'nt!
    And you will have to Google for the answer (don't worry it is not hard to find)
    Come on don't be coy.

    Why shouldn't an Islamic or Arab country have a nuclear bomb? I am not referring to the Iranian program, which the Iranians say is for peaceful purposes. I am talking about a nuclear bomb.

    This Arab Islamic nation must obtain a nuclear bomb. Without a nuclear bomb, we will continue to be oppressed, and the American destruction... The American donkiness... The American donkey itself will always continue to attack us, because the Americans are very conceited.
    MEMRI TV

    What do you want? A fukking suicide bomber with a nuke?

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    What Nutjob would strap a bomb arround their own child?
    One who's husband was killed by Zionist's soldiers who are given billions of dollars a year in aid and weapons to kill innocent people.

    Give the Palistinians the same and they won't use children strapped with bombs, they'll just roll into Israel in tanks and blast everyone away instead.

    I'am still waiting for that hatefull -babarian- animal -JEW to blow himself up, or take his son, or a passenger plane, or a nuclear bomb (since Israel has it) and blow a german or Germany in bits and pieces.
    Don't need to.

    U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact


    Summary

    Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
    Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)


    Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
    $74,157,600,000

    Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
    $9,047,227,200

    Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
    $1,650,000,000

    Grand Total
    $84,854,827,200

    Total Benefits per Israeli
    $14,630

    THE STRATEGIC FUNCTIONS OF U.S. AID TO ISRAEL

    By Stephen Zunes
    Dr. Zunes is an assistant professor in the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco

    Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
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    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

    Did'nt you say something like this?
    If you are not an Arab then of course you did'nt!
    And you will have to Google for the answer (don't worry it is not hard to find)
    Sorry mate but Iran isn't an Arab country. You keep making basic factual errors. Please try reading a little before posting. I thought your Rabbinical traditon would aide your debating skills, but obviously not.
    They champion falsehood, support the butcher against the victim, the oppressor against the innocent child. May God mete them the punishment they deserve

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    Perhaps he's alluding to the fact that
    Islam appears to have a
    predeliction for
    group immolation,
    and everyone's invited.

    *BA-BOOM*


    altough it's also happening in Sri Lanka

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post

    The difference is that the Arabs would have fired those 200 nuclear missiles already.....which they said they would if they could.
    Who said that exactly?

    Did'nt you say something like this?
    If you are not an Arab then of course you did'nt!
    And you will have to Google for the answer (don't worry it is not hard to find)
    Sorry mate but Iran isn't an Arab country. You keep making basic factual errors. Please try reading a little before posting. I thought your Rabbinical traditon would aide your debating skills, but obviously not.
    Sorry Mate too ! I thought that you wereintelligent enough to know what I mean. By always asking silly questions (and playing the twisted word game), you have not relay shown any good debating skills either. By using the words "rabbinical tradition" you are slowly but surely showing you true colors. Comon Mad Dog: Let it all out in one shot and stop playing this cat and mouse game.

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    Hey Kerux,

    You are all that is missing in this thread of nuts and fruits. WELCOME !

    I have a feeling that you and Surasak are very similar.

    Ha Ha charade you are!
    PF

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    ...
    Sorry Mate too ! I thought that you wereintelligent enough to know what I mean. By always asking silly questions (and playing the twisted word game), you have not relay shown any good debating skills either. By using the words "rabbinical tradition" you are slowly but surely showing you true colors. Comon Mad Dog: Let it all out in one shot and stop playing this cat and mouse game.
    Sory mate, but you need to spend a bit more effort on choosing words which match the facts.
    Iran has threatened to obliterate Israel, and Iran is not an Arab country. The facts don't match the object of your hatred, I am afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_dog View Post
    Sorry mate but Iran isn't an Arab country. You keep making basic factual errors. Please try reading a little before posting. I thought your Rabbinical traditon would aide your debating skills, but obviously not.
    MD you seem to have a talent for splitting hairs.
    When Iranians share the same proclaimed mission of the destruction and annihilation of Israel along with their Hamas and Hezbolah pals, distinctions of who's or what and Arab is seems to fade.
    When a nation like Iran who has been subsidizing Arab terrorists for nearly 30 years the distinction of Persian or Arab is rather moot.
    If you support Iran's quest for nuclear weapons and their current underwriting of middle east terrorism just say so.
    Or perhaps your disingenuous demeanor is simply a result the common and popular european anti-americanism. Which in itself is banality to the extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Hey Kerux,

    You are all that is missing in this thread of nuts and fruits. WELCOME !

    I have a feeling that you and Surasak are very similar.

    Ha Ha charade you are!
    PF
    Don't let babystroller know I'm here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller View Post
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    Iran has threatened to obliterate Israel, and Iran is not an Arab country. The facts don't match the object of your hatred, I am afraid.
    The fact that Iran spends millions of dollars on Hebolah.
    The fact that Iran sends thousands of katusha rockets into southern lebanon.
    The fact that the Iranian president has essentially declared war on Israel.

    You say these facts don't match up!
    Hate mongering fanaticism is the same whether you're Arab, Persian or German.
    Stroller playing like an ostrich really doesn't suit you.

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    ^Blah blah blah.

    The true cost of American terrorism:

    COUNTING COSTS

    $30-40bn spent on reconstruction

    None Hospitals built since invasion

    200 Doctors and pharmacists murdered

    15,000 Doctors who have fled abroad

    3,000 out of 18,000 schools refurbished

    5,000 Extra schools needed

    24,000 Pupils who have fled abroad

    72 Iraqi civilian fatalities reported yesterday


    US casualties

    2,784 killed

    71 this month

    Iraqi police casualties

    4,000 killed

    8,000 wounded in the past two years

    3,000 Iraqi policemen sacked this month
    And:

    “They rebuilt my children’s primary school after the fall of the regime but it was done very badly. They only painted it,” Abu Abdullah, a father of two, said in central Baghdad, hinting that the school was defrauded by the contractors. “Me and my friends evaluated the cost of construction at about two million dinars (about £900) but the contract was for 20 million.”

    Abu Abdullah has to escort his children to school every day for fear of attack or kidnapping, and he says that the quality of teaching is so poor that he and his wife give them extra classes after school.

    Luna, 28, a Sunni teacher, had to leave her primary school in a Shia part of town. She is too frightened to discipline her students or hand out bad marks for fear of retribution from their families. “Our generator is always broken so we don’t have enough electricity. Students sit in hot, unlit rooms.”
    Bush tries to impose new terms of victory - World - Times Online

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    ^ it would be ridiculously hillarious if it wasn't so sad for the locals. Another reason why you don't go to war before you are absolutely ready for it. It's time for someone to pay.

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