US Immigration Reform

**DrB0b** · 15-12-2015, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If all the illegals announced today, they would all be voting Republican

Obama and the democrats would start building the border fence tomorrow.

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-12-2015, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If all the illegals announced today, they would all be voting Republican

Obama and the democrats would start building the border fence tomorrow.

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

In his defence, he said "If".

And he's right, too.

The reason the Republicans don't want illegals to get the vote is that it would stuff them everywhere, especially as it's not their turn to gerrymander.

**panama hat** · 15-12-2015, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

I guess the draft gave him a job

**RPETER65** · 15-12-2015, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If all the illegals announced today, they would all be voting Republican

Obama and the democrats would start building the border fence tomorrow.

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

Do I really?

And is this one of your facts?

**DrB0b** · 15-12-2015, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

In his defence, he said "If".

And he's right, too.

The reason the Republicans don't want illegals to get the vote is that it would stuff them everywhere, especially as it's not their turn to gerrymander.

The illiterate twat didn't say "if they could vote", he said "if they announced", whatever the hell that means.

**harrybarracuda** · 15-12-2015, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

In his defence, he said "If".

And he's right, too.

The reason the Republicans don't want illegals to get the vote is that it would stuff them everywhere, especially as it's not their turn to gerrymander.

The illiterate twat didn't say "if they could vote", he said "if they announced", whatever the hell that means.

Illiterate, yes, but it wasn't difficult to get the gist of his message.

Methinks on this occasion you are reading too much into it.

**panama hat** · 16-12-2015, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If all the illegals announced today, they would all be voting Republican

Obama and the democrats would start building the border fence tomorrow.

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

Do I really?

And is this one of your facts?

Yes.

No. It was a question. You will notice there is a question mark (?) at the end of the statement/sentence

**RPETER65** · 16-12-2015, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

If all the illegals announced today, they would all be voting Republican

Obama and the democrats would start building the border fence tomorrow.

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

You do realize when Obama gets his illegals will eventually become citizens.

**panama hat** · 16-12-2015, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by panama hat

Another of your 'FACTS' . . .

No my opinion.

I know it is no(t) your opinion, you try to pass your shit off as facts

(Did you graduate from high school?)

If he thinks illegal immigrants can vote then I doubt he even graduated kindergarten.

You do realize when Obama gets his illegals will eventually become citizens.

Can you try that again in English? If not then please ask the nearest derro next to you under your bridge . . . you know, the guy who stole your bottle of cheap gin

**S Landreth** · 13-03-2017, 04:02 AM

Been a while,……but maybe some good news.

GOP lawmaker introducing legislation to make 'Dreamers' citizens

Congress needs to pass legislation that grants American citizenship to undocumented immigrants who came to the US as children, a Republican lawmaker said Friday.

"We need to do the right thing. We need to put partisanship aside, just like we need to do in health care, and do right by these young people who, in my opinion, are already Americans. We just need to recognize it," Rep. Carlos Curbelo told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day."

The Florida lawmaker said there's "a growing consensus" inside the Republican Party in support of granting the immigrants, known as "Dreamers," citizenship.

"Three-, 4-, 5-year old children brought across the border did not break any law. Many of these kids only speak English. A lot of them don't even remember their countries of origin because they were so young when they came," Curbelo said.

Snip

Curbelo said many Dreamers have grown up to contribute to America economically and professionally and should be allowed to "enjoy" citizenship.

"These are people who are contributing to our economy, working hard. Some of them want to serve in our military. Others are at colleges and universities earning degrees," he said. "These are America's children, and it's about time that we accept them and we give them that path to full American citizenship so they can fully participate and enjoy in the American experience."

**Cold Pizza** · 13-03-2017, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

GOP lawmaker introducing legislation to make 'Dreamers' citizens

Correction:

Make ILLegals citizens.

**Storekeeper** · 24-05-2017, 10:47 AM

Fookin' Canadians ... need a wall to keep the fookers out!

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/m/53d7549...lling-the.html

"The US is finally telling the public who overstays their visas the most—and it’s not Mexicans"

Open link to read the article.

**Cold Pizza** · 24-05-2017, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Fookin' Canadians ... need a wall to keep the fookers out!

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/m/53d7549...lling-the.html

"The US is finally telling the public who overstays their visas the most—and it’s not Mexicans"

Open link to read the article.

Yes - because Mexicans do NOT even get visas.

**S Landreth** · 03-08-2017, 08:22 AM

RAISE Act

Trump, Tom Cotton Announce Bill To Cut Legal Immigration That Has Zero Chance Of Passing

From the National Review

The new RAISE Act would take a sledgehammer to this system, dramatically reducing low-skilled immigration and revamping our system for skilled immigration. It would cut immigration by more than 40 percent immediately, and by half in a decade.

Immigrants would be scored on a scale of zero to 100, though in practice it’s more like a scale of zero to 45 — someone with a perfect score would need a Nobel Prize (25 points), an Olympic medal (15), and $1.8 million invested in a business (12), for instance. More typically, potential immigrants would be scored based on their level of education, their English fluency, their age (with ten points for those 26 to 30 and zero points for those 50 and up), and the salary they’ve been offered (with 13 points for compensation at least triple the median salary of the state where the job is located, and no points for an offer less than 50 percent above the median). Importantly, if an applicant wished to bring a spouse, the spouse’s education, age, and language skills would count for 30 percent of a combined score.

Those without at least 30 points would be ineligible, and ties would be broken by (in descending order) education, language, and age. Immigrants admitted through the point system would be ineligible for welfare benefits for five years.

The updated RAISE Act is a terrific opening bid for immigration reform, but it’s not perfect. My own biggest objection is that the dramatic cuts to overall immigration levels are unnecessary and could doom the bill’s political chances. If we reorient the system around skills, we ensure that each immigrant is a net contributor to our fiscal well-being and doesn’t compete with the low-skilled Americans who can afford new competition the least. That makes it less desirable — I would say makes it undesirable — to cut the overall level of immigration. True, there is a limit to how many immigrants we can handle at once, no matter how skilled they are, and we can debate what that limit is. But shifting from low-skilled immigrants to high-skilled immigrants is an enormous improvement by itself.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-08-2017, 11:13 AM

Nothing wrong with a points system for immigration.

As long as those points are for something meaningful, like academic achievement, work experience, etc., not whether or not some right wing loon approves of your sexual proclivities or religion.

**OhOh** · 03-08-2017, 12:00 PM

I believe the ameristani "immigration" problem is generally thought to be the southerners, those from Mexico southwards.

One wonders how many points a typical one would gain.

Bye Bye agriculture and "service" jobs in ameristan. Good luck Foxcon is opening some "assembly plants", all robots unfortunately (built in China I hear), other than the gardener.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-08-2017, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

I believe the ameristani "immigration" problem is generally thought to be the southerners, those from Mexico southwards.

One wonders how many points a typical one would gain.

Bye Bye agriculture and "service" jobs in ameristan. Good luck Foxcon is opening some "assembly plants", all robots unfortunately (built in China I hear), other than the gardener.

Your points system can allow for so-called unskilled labour (i.e. people who will work for fucking peanuts) in certain industries. How else is orange cunto going to staff his golf courses?

**S Landreth** · 23-08-2017, 06:04 AM

Holding Dreamers hostage for a wall. Why not get to pay for the wall as promised?

Democrats on Capitol Hill said Tuesday they won’t allow President Donald Trump to use undocumented young people as leverage to get support from the lawmakers for building a border wall, locking up more immigrants and cutting legal immigration.

Multiple top White House officials are urging Trump to attempt such a deal with Congress, according to a McClatchy news story. White House chief of staff John Kelly backs the idea, as do Trump’s daughter, Ivanka Trump, and her husband Jared Kushner, according to the article.

It’s being presented as a potential compromise that could bring relief to some 800,000 so-called Dreamers who could lose their protected status under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA) in the courts or by Trump’s own hand. But Democratic leaders in both congressional chambers said it’s not a proposal they would accept.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) tweeted that “Dreamers are not a bargaining chip for the border wall and inhumane deportation. Period.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) similarly tweeted that it was “reprehensible to treat children as bargaining chips,” and that “Dreamers are not negotiable.”

Dreamers are in an especially perilous position under Trump, who promised to end the DACA program but has not yet done so. A group of state attorneys general threatened him with legal action if he does not rescind DACA by Sept. 5, and Trump administration officials won’t say whether they would defend the program should it go to court.

**Cold Pizza** · 23-08-2017, 09:48 AM

Come to the US illegally and get lots of bennies, including paying in-state tuition when US citizen pay out of state.

Go to Mexico and have the Mexican govt finance it - oh yeah, the Mexican does not pay sh*t - and threats their own citizens like sh*t.

**CaptainNemo** · 26-08-2017, 11:43 PM

I would go for dual US citizenship if I could get a guarantee that they would leave me alone for tax after I renounced it, otherwise, it just doesn't seem worth having.

**S Landreth** · 04-09-2017, 11:28 AM

Trump to Scrap Protection for 'Dreamers,' Give Congress Six Months to Fix

President Donald Trump has decided to scrap a program shielding from deportation immigrants who came to the United States illegally as children but will give Congress six months to craft legislation to replace it, sources familiar with the situation said.

The president decided to delay enforcement of his decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, the two sources said on Sunday. One source cautioned that the president could change his mind.

The decision to give Congress half a year to come up with a an alternative, first reported by Politico, represents a compromise of sorts after top Republicans and business leaders asked Trump to keep the program.

DACA, an Obama administration policy, protects nearly 800,000 young men and women often called "Dreamers" from deportation and allows them to work legally.

History - 2013: Senate passes immigration bill

**S Landreth** · 06-09-2017, 12:41 AM

Trump ends Dreamers program — but gives Congress chance to save it

Sessions makes the formal announcement, saying it does not mean Dreamers are ‘bad people.’

President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that his administration will end an Obama-era program that offers some protection to thousands of young undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children. But he will give lawmakers six months to act first, effectively punting the fate of so-called Dreamers into the hands of Congress.

It’s not clear whether Republican lawmakers, who have struggled for years to agree on an immigration reform package and who face a series of other high-stakes deadlines this fall, will be able to score a legislative solution by March.

But the countdown clock began ticking Tuesday morning.

“It is now time for Congress to act!” Trump declared in a lengthy statement.

The president said the Department of Homeland Security will start “an orderly transition and wind-down” of former President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program — “with minimum disruption.”

“This is a gradual process, not a sudden phase out. Permits will not begin to expire for another six months, and will remain active for up to 24 months,” Trump said. “Thus, in effect, I am not going to just cut DACA off, but rather provide a window of opportunity for Congress to finally act.”

House Speaker Paul Ryan, who last Friday called on Trump to not immediately end DACA, on Tuesday called the program “a clear abuse of executive authority" while encouraging lawmakers to act quickly on the issue.

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From Obama

“Wrong”, “self-defeating” and “cruel”.

Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

**S Landreth** · 14-09-2017, 10:30 AM

Trump, top Democrats agree to fix for DACA and border security

The top House and Senate Democrats have announced agreement with President Donald Trump to protect certain immigrants brought illegally to this country as children – along with some border security enhancements.

The agreement would specifically not include Trump’s long-sought border wall. It would enshrine protections for the nearly 800,000 immigrants who benefited from a program created by former President Barack Obama that Trump has announced he is ending.

The agreement was announced in a joint statement from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, following a dinner the pair had with Trump at the White House.

It marks the second time in two weeks that Trump has bypassed Republicans to deal with Pelosi and Schumer

six months and counting: Miami Herald

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...76308265795585

**Grampa** · 27-09-2017, 11:55 PM

Every city I go to I see ILLegals on WIC at the supermarket. That's just for starters.

Wednesday, September 27, 2017

WASHINGTON SECRETS Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

by Paul Bedard | Sep 27,

The swelling population of illegal immigrants and their kids is costing American taxpayers $135 billion a year, the highest ever, driven by free medical care, education and a huge law enforcement bill, according to the the most authoritative report on the issue yet.

And despite claims from pro-illegal immigration advocates that the aliens pay significant off-setting taxes back to federal, state and local treasuries, the Federation for American Immigration Reform report tallied just $19 billion, making the final hit to taxpayers about $116 billion.

The state and local governments are getting ravaged by the costs, at over $88 billion. The federal government, by comparison, is getting off easy at $45 billion in costs for illegals.

President Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and conservatives in Congress are moving aggressively to deal with illegals, especially those with long criminal records. But their effort is being fought by courts and some 300 so-called "sanctuary communities" that refuse to work with federal law enforcement.

The added burden on taxpayers and the unfairness to those who have applied to come into the United States through legal channels is also driving the administration's immigration crackdown.
The report, titled "The Fiscal Burden Of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers," is the most comprehensive cost tally from FAIR. It said that the costs have jumped about $3 billion in four years and will continue to surge unless illegal immigration is stopped. It was provided in advance exclusively to Secrets.

"Clearly, the cost of doing nothing to stop illegal immigration is far too high," said FAIR Executive Director Dan Stein. "President Trump has laid out a comprehensive strategy to regain control of illegal immigration and bring down these costs," said Stein. "Building the wall, enhancing interior enforcement and mandating national E-Verify will go a long way in bringing these ridiculously high costs under control," he added.
Over 68 often shocking pages, FAIR documents the average $8,075 in state, local and federal spending for each of the of 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.
Broadly, the costs include $29 billion in medical care, $23 billion for law enforcement, $9 billion in welfare, $46 billion for education.

Just consider the cost of teaching an illegal alien child who doesn't speak English. FAIR estimates an average cost of over $12,000 a year, and that can reach $25,000 in New York. Add to that welfare, health care, school lunches, and the per student price soars.
In state costs alone, California leads the list at $23 billion per year, followed by Texas at $11 billion, and New York at $7.4 billion.
And it also documents the taxes paid and how they don't come close to offsetting the costs. What's more, FAIR noted that 35 percent of the illegal population operate in an underground economy hidden from tax collectors. And worse, employers hire illegals and either pay them cheaply or under the table.
"The United States recoups only about 14 percent of the amount expended annually on illegal aliens. If the same jobs held by illegal aliens were filled by legal workers, at the prevailing market wage, it may safely be presumed that federal, state and local governments would receive higher tax payments," said FAIR.
Key findings pulled from the report:

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.
The nearly $135 billion paid out by federal and state and local taxpayers to cover the cost of the presence of 12.5 million illegal aliens and their 4.2 million citizen children amounts to approximately $8,075 per illegal alien and citizen child prior to taxes paid, or $6,940 per person after taxes are paid.
On the federal level, medical ($17.14 billion) is by far the highest cost, with law enforcement coming second ($13.15 billion) and general government services ($8 billion) third.
At the state and local level, education ($44.4 billion) was by far the largest expense, followed by general public services ($18.5 billion) and medical ($12.1 billion).
The top three states based on total cost to state taxpayers for illegal immigrants and their children: California ($23 billion); Texas ($10.9 billion), and New York ($7.5 billion).

Record $135 billion a year for illegal immigration, average $8,075 each, $25,000 in NY

**S Landreth** · 09-10-2017, 09:10 AM

White House links border wall, green card overhaul to DACA

The Trump administration released a list of hard-line immigration priorities on Sunday that threaten to derail efforts to protect from deportation hundreds of thousands of young immigrants, many of whom were brought into the U.S. illegally as children.

The demands include overhauling the country's green-card system, hiring 10,000 more immigration officers and building President Donald Trump's promised wall along the southern border. Many are policies Democrats have explicitly said are off the table.

But Trump administration officials said the president will insist on their passage in exchange for supporting legislation that would extend the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program.

"These priorities are essential to mitigate the legal and economic consequences of any grants or status to DACA recipients," White House legislative affairs director Marc Short told reporters. "We're asking that these reforms be included in any legislation concerning the status of DACA recipients."

Snip

In a joint statement, House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said the list "goes so far beyond what is reasonable" and "fails to represent any attempt at compromise.

"The Administration can't be serious about compromise or helping the Dreamers if they begin with a list that is anathema to the Dreamers, to the immigrant community and to the vast majority of Americans," they wrote.

"If the President was serious about protecting the Dreamers, his staff has not made a good faith effort to do so," they said.

Rep. Joaquin Castro, D-Texas, accused the administration of trying to "use Dreamers as bargaining chips to achieve the administration's deportation and detention goals."

FU trump: White House links border wall, green card overhaul to DACA | Miami Herald

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