Thread: Rep. Foley

Foley's only crime is that he was overly friendly with the pages.
For that he certainly should be crucified, n'est ce pas?
Oh yes and he is also guilty of being a conservative homosexual: An unpardonable crime.

If Hasert had jumped o this at first he would have been accused of "gay bashing". There is clearly a double standard at work here.

Beating this dead horse just prove how intelectually and morally bankrupt the Nancy Pelosy's are. Rather sad really.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Americans who think their country is going to magically heal itself with the demise of the "demon" Bush are surely mistaken.

Best line of the week.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Americans who think their country is going to magically heal itself with the demise of the "demon" Bush are surely mistaken.

Best line of the week.

Agreed... It's going to take years to unravel the mess that "Dubya" and his chronies have made both domestically & internationally... If it can be done at all...

Oh, what a slippery slope...

if/when the dems take congress, of course things are still going to be a mess.

but, it will allow for real congressional oversight...something that has been missing for 6 years.

someone has got to stop the bleeding....and the republicans don't seem capable of (or interested in), doing it.

Butt-flea you seem to be suffering the dreaded failure to stay on topic impairment. Not that anyone is surprised!

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Foley's only crime is that he was overly friendly with the pages.

how do you know this? my understanding is that the FBI is still invesitigating. or do you have some inside info earl?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

For that he certainly should be crucified

predictable, absurd exaggeration.

GWB and republican leadership have said he should feel the full impact of the US justice system....do you disagree?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Oh yes and he is also guilty of being a conservative homosexual: An unpardonable crime.

in evangelical circles, yes.
to me, he is guilty of being a hypocrite...but more importantly, party leadership is guilty of a cover-up.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

If Hasert had jumped o this at first he would have been accused of "gay bashing".

nonsense.
try and back up that statement. no, really. try.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Beating this dead horse just prove how intelectually and morally bankrupt the Nancy Pelosy's are. Rather sad really.

this horse ain't dead, brother.

you can expect weeks more of this story. it isn't going anywhere.

and i guess you've forgetten whitewater, and travel office 'scandal'

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Americans who think their country is going to magically heal itself with the demise of the "demon" Bush are surely mistaken.

Great quote.

Bush is not the main player in Iraq, global warming etc.

Bush was not, and is not the top-dog.

On an organization chart he's at the top, and is the final decision-maker. But the people around him mostly come from the PNAC, and they weild enormous influence over him.

His experience as a 4 years governor before being elected to the most powerful position in the world.....

Makes him the least experienced President to take office since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

Bush also had no travel experience. He'd only been to Canada and Mexico on short 1 and 2 weeks vacations before becoming President.

Originally Posted by raycarey

guess you've forgetten whitewater, and travel office 'scandal'

Never forgotten - along with the Vince Foster killing, Monica Lweinsky ad nasuem...
All the chickens will come home to roost when (& if) the Hildebeast decides to make a run...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Vince Foster killing

you're kidding right?


right?

It has got to be extremely frustrating to the left wing ... the world over that no matter what issue comes up that they think will sink ole GWB ... it NEVER works ... one would think the loonies would eventually stop misunderestimating ole # 43. Ya'll are gonna be "shellshocked" when the GOP does ... just good enough in the mid term elections to keep your panties in a twist.

Assessing The Foley Effect

A Hartford Courant story today gave an interesting overview of the impact the Foley scandal in regards to the coming elections.

An ABC News/Washington Post survey taken Oct. 5 to 8 found that three of every four respondents did not think Democrats would have handled the Foley matter any better, and roughly two in three thought Democrats were pursuing the matter for political gain, not to raise legitimate concerns.

"The Foley scandal has not earned the Republican leadership any goodwill, but neither does it look like a point of differentiation for the Democrats," poll director Gary Langer said.

A Pew Research Center survey taken Sept. 21 to Oct. 4 had similar findings. Before the Foley scandal broke, voters preferred Democrats to Republicans by 13 percentage points - and after the congressman resigned Sept. 29, the margin was the same.

Job approval of Republican leaders, 33 percent before Foley quit, went up 1 percentage point afterward.

In the days ahead, said some analysts, Democrats need to be careful they do not appear to be leading a lynch mob.

what did dennis hastert know....and when did he eat it?

--bill maher

^The same Pew poll also showed a decline in the trustworthiness of Republicans to hold a position of leadership.

The danger for Republicans is not that more people will vote for Democrats but that those who vote Republican simply won't vote at all.

Originally Posted by surasak

The danger for Republicans is not that more people will vote for Democrats but that those who vote Republican simply won't vote at all.

Milkman and I mentioned this yesterday. It's mostly the Evangelical crowd the Republicans need to ensure get out.

But having said that yesterday I need to fall back a bit and give credit to the swing voters as well ... that is a crucial lot as well.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the Vince Foster killing

you're kidding right? right?

I don't think so ray:

to wit:

Vince Foster: What the Media Won’t Tell You

NewsMax Editorial
Thursday, Dec. 4, 2003

Major media outlets reported Wednesday on the Supreme Court hearing of California lawyer Allan Favish's case that government photographs of Vincent Foster’s death scene be released for public viewing.

The media report that no fewer than five investigations have found that Foster committed suicide because he was depressed. But despite 10 years of denial by the major media, the Foster case has not “closed” – as the Supreme Court hearing Wednesday demonstrated.


The case won’t close because of the failure of authorities to make full disclosure – and to conduct a full investigation into the case, including a complete autopsy.


Vince Foster was not only deputy White House counsel but also the personal attorney to Bill and Hillary Clinton.


On the night of Foster’s death, top Clinton aides made a frantic effort to enter and remove documents from his West Wing office. In the days that followed, federal investigators were stymied in their investigation of Foster’s office and strange death.


Since Foster’s July 1993 death, the facts of his death have been obfuscated by friends of Bill and Hillary in the major media, but here’s the undeniable truth:



There weren’t “five” investigations into Foster’s death, as the media report. The Park Police, best known for their meter and horse patrols around Washington, were put in charge of the initial death inquiry of the most important federal official to die suspiciously since President Kennedy. The Park Police, contradicting standard procedure, declared the death a suicide before launching their inquiry.

The FBI never officially investigated the case but simply signed off on the Park Police “probe.” The bureau had little choice. The day before Foster’s death, Bill Clinton hurriedly fired the director of the FBI, William Sessions. Sessions later charged that Clinton had “politicized” the bureau.

Later, Robert Fiske, selected by Clinton’s counsel Bernie Nussbaum and Janet Reno, quickly confirmed the Park Police probe as a suicide.

But when Ken Starr entered the investigation, he reopened the case. His chief prosecutor in the case, Miquel Rodriguez, later quit the Starr investigation, claiming that Starr’s staff was engaging in a cover-up of Foster’s death.

Rodriguez, a Harvard-educated federal prosecutor, argued that one of the Polaroid photos taken of Foster at the crime scene indicated an additional wound on Foster’s neck – never noted on the autopsy report. Favish’s suit before the Supreme Court is seeking to release this photo, among others.

No fewer than three of the paramedics on the scene indicated in reports or testimony that the crime scene was consistent with a murder scene, not a suicide.

A careful FBI microscopic investigation of Foster’s shoes found not a trace of soil or grass stains on them, though he supposedly walked several hundred yards through wooded Fort Marcy Park to where his body was found. [Years later, Starr’s investigation found plenty of soil and grass stains. Rodriguez charged that the shoes were tampered with to produce such “evidence.”]

Foster was found with little blood around his body – and despite claims that he fired the gun into his mouth, practically no blood was found on the front of his shirt.

Foster was found with a 1913 revolver no one in his family could claim, with two serial numbers, made from the parts of three or more guns. None of Foster’s fingerprints were found on the gun.

The bullet that supposedly killed Foster was never found, despite intensive searches.

Despite claims to the contrary, no one who knew Foster, including Hillary, Web Hubbell and his own wife, saw signs of depression.

A so-called suicide note was found in an office briefcase that had been searched and found to be empty after Foster’s death. The note was torn into 27 pieces. Yet an FBI examination found no trace of Foster’s fingerprints on the note and a top Oxford handwriting expert found the note to be an “obvious” forgery.

Despite the enormity of the case, Foster’s autopsy lasted an astounding 45 minutes. The coroner in the case had previously been overruled in other cases he declared “suicides” that were later found to be murders.
All of the X-rays taken during the autopsy are missing.

Complete crime scene photos don’t exist. The Park Police said all the photos were “accidentally” overexposed. A series of close-up Polaroids, which Favish is suing for, remain.
This is just a brief summary of the dozens of inconsistencies in the case. Two New York homicide investigators who looked into the case concluded that Foster’s body had been moved to the crime scene and that murder could not be ruled out.


Despite overwhelming evidence of a cover-up, the media won’t question the official ruling.


Ken Starr, who could find no criminal wrongdoing on the part of the Clintons during his “intensive” probe, confirmed a ruling of suicide. Starr even hired O.J. Simpson’s defense expert to prove his case.


If ever there were a case for public disclosure of government records and photos, it’s the Vince Foster case. The high court should decide in Allan Favish’s favor.

Vince Foster: What the Media Won’t Tell You

They are all crooks, thieves and murderers.

Originally Posted by Milkman

His experience as a 4 years governor before being elected to the most powerful position in the world.....

Makes him the least experienced President to take office since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

I guess this could be true if you ignore Presidents such as Reagan and Clinton. Although you could argue that Reagan learned alot about politics from his many years President of the Screen Actors Guild.

Screen Actors Guild is where Reagan learned to be a strong anti-communist. He took them seriouslly.