Double Standards and dirty Policy.

[Mhz]

North Korea tested Taepodong-2 missiles and America was them one concerned about the world security and still pushing Japan to ask for the U.N to fok things for North Korea.Okay missiles and nukes aren't nice things to be tested and no one should be testing them but why the fuck didn't anyone say anything when India tested a missile??

The indians are proudly announcing that they can hit targets in Shanghia and Beijing,Why isn't uncle Sam worried about world security now??

On the one hand Uncle Sam fucked Iraq for having WMDs which by the way are still missing and is going to Fuck Iran on suspicions of making WMDs and on the other hand Uncle Sam promised the Indians to support their nuclear development so that they can have better nukes than China.

I mean what the fuck is this??

Isn't this double standard and dirty policy??

Isn't India starting an arms race in Asia??

Where the foke is the bitch Condolezza Rice??

[Whiteshiva]

My guess is that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the only country India is likely to pick a fight with is Pakistan. North Korea on the other hand is a loose cannon, with a dictator who will fall sooner or later, and may choose to take others with him, when he finally goes.

India, despite it's faults, is a functioning democracy, whose citizens are making a valuable contribution in the world in terms of trade, culture, science, etc. Which is more than can be said for North Korea and a few other countries in Asia.

Now remind me - where did North Korea get assitance from when they were developing nuclear weapons? It sure as hell wasn't India.

[man with no head]

I would agree, but, it's interesting that we are concerned with NK and Iran having nukes while it's likely that Israel has them. If we really were concerned with WMD in the Middle East we'd make sure nobody has them.

When Israel goes on a rampage killing 200 or more civilians because a few soldiers gets caputured it's reason for concern.

A good example of double-standards would be that we expect NK to stop firing missiles (under relevent UN resolutions) but don't hold Israel to the same standard.

You want hypocrisy? Look no further than Washington, D.C.

[Mhz]

Now remind me - where did North Korea get assitance from when they were developing nuclear weapons? It sure as hell wasn't India

Yes it wasn't India it was Pakistan that provided them whatever they needed but still Uncle Sam didn't do anything.I dont care if Pakistan gets fucked for doing that in an ideal world but when the YIDS can get nuclear technology from (you know who gave them) then why not North-Korea from Pakistan??

Israel is not a loose cannon???

India, despite it's faults, is a functioning democracy, whose citizens are making a valuable contribution in the world in terms of trade, culture, science, etc. Which is more than can be said for North Korea and a few other countries in Asia.

Doubtless.100% agreed but still according to the global cops (U.S.A) nuclear bombs are a threat to world securtiy.It is not mentioned anywhere that countries with good trade and democracy can have nukes.

[Mhz]

By the way why is not Britain held responsible for giving nuclear technology to the YIDS??

[HermantheGerman]

By the way why is not Britain held responsible for giving nuclear technology to the YIDS??

Are you sure that the nuclear technolgy was imported by the best educated country in the world (Ernst David Bergman says Hello )?

Israel buys U.S. warplanes and installs it's own technology. But it won't sell it to anyone else.

[man with no head]

But it won't sell it to anyone else.

Au contraire, mon frere:

The Pentagon is angry with Israel after it discovered the Chinese fighter jet that collided with a US reconnaissance plane over the South China Sea was carrying Israeli-made air-to-air missiles.

The Israelis notified Washington of the sale of the Python Three missiles to China only after the collision, Rear Admiral Craig Quigley said. He said Washington was opposed to the proliferation of such a capable weapons system. "I think we would have preferred to know in advance (of the Israeli sale), but we didn't get that," Admiral Quigley said. Israel is the largest recipient of US military aid - $3.77 billion this year - and has a mutual defence agreement with Washington. The countries' military forces frequently train together and co-operate in developing weapons systems. Israeli analysts had identified the missile from videotape shown at a Pentagon news conference by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of the Chinese F-8 fighter jet that collided on April 1 with a US EP-3 Aries II surveillance plane off China's coast near the southern island of Hainan. China blamed the Aries II for the collision. The US insisted China's fighter was at fault. China held hostage the 24-member crew of the US plane until last Thursday after holding them for 12 days. The videotape was made three months before the collision. Israel has been selling the Python missiles to China since the late 1980s, according to analysts cited by the Washington Times. Admiral Quigley said he did not know if the State Department had complained when it was notified of the sale. But he compared it to a proposed Israeli sale to China of a Phalcon airborne radar surveillance and warning system that was shelved last year in response to strong public protests by the US. "That's a good missile and its capabilities are considerable," Admiral Quigley said.

Selling arms to Iraq was a mistake. It's even more insulting that our 'friends' in Israel are selling arms to our biggest enemy: China.

[Whiteshiva]

[QUOTE=HermantheGerman]

Are you sure that the nuclear technolgy was imported by the best educated country in the world (Ernst David Bergman says Hello )?

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

[Marmite the Dog]

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

Chad?

[HermantheGerman]

[quote=Whiteshiva]

Are you sure that the nuclear technolgy was imported by the best educated country in the world (Ernst David Bergman says Hello )?

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

I tried to Google your question, but can't come up with any "Backward Country".
Please help.

[HermantheGerman]

But it won't sell it to anyone else.

Au contraire, mon frere:

The Pentagon is angry with Israel after it discovered the Chinese fighter jet that collided with a US reconnaissance plane over the South China Sea was carrying Israeli-made air-to-air missiles.

The Israelis notified Washington of the sale of the Python Three missiles to China only after the collision, Rear Admiral Craig Quigley said. He said Washington was opposed to the proliferation of such a capable weapons system. "I think we would have preferred to know in advance (of the Israeli sale), but we didn't get that," Admiral Quigley said. Israel is the largest recipient of US military aid - $3.77 billion this year - and has a mutual defence agreement with Washington. The countries' military forces frequently train together and co-operate in developing weapons systems. Israeli analysts had identified the missile from videotape shown at a Pentagon news conference by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of the Chinese F-8 fighter jet that collided on April 1 with a US EP-3 Aries II surveillance plane off China's coast near the southern island of Hainan. China blamed the Aries II for the collision. The US insisted China's fighter was at fault. China held hostage the 24-member crew of the US plane until last Thursday after holding them for 12 days. The videotape was made three months before the collision. Israel has been selling the Python missiles to China since the late 1980s, according to analysts cited by the Washington Times. Admiral Quigley said he did not know if the State Department had complained when it was notified of the sale. But he compared it to a proposed Israeli sale to China of a Phalcon airborne radar surveillance and warning system that was shelved last year in response to strong public protests by the US. "That's a good missile and its capabilities are considerable," Admiral Quigley said.

Selling arms to Iraq was a mistake. It's even more insulting that our 'friends' in Israel are selling arms to our biggest enemy: China.

I don't mean to be a Smart Alec.....but I did mean the electronics (the heart) of a Fighter Plane.
The Israelies could have sold a lot more in the past to China, but pressure from the U.S. has worked.
Do you realy think that China is your biggest enemy ?

[Whiteshiva]

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

Chad?

Right continent, wrong country.....

[Mr Earl]

My guess is that as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the only country India is likely to pick a fight with is Pakistan. North Korea on the other hand is a loose cannon, with a dictator who will fall sooner or later, and may choose to take others with him, when he finally goes.

India, despite it's faults, is a functioning democracy, whose citizens are making a valuable contribution in the world in terms of trade, culture, science, etc. Which is more than can be said for North Korea and a few other countries in Asia.

Now remind me - where did North Korea get assitance from when they were developing nuclear weapons? It sure as hell wasn't India.

Agreed India has a far more civilized and functional society than NK. NK really is China's problem.
The nuke technology NK has is largely thanks to the appeasement deal Bill Clinton made in 1996.
NK is saber rattling to try and get another sweet deal out of the USA. I don't think it's going to work this time.

As far as Iran and Syria(Hezbolah)
go they are the ones threatening to annihilate Israel, not the other way around.
The Arab/Muslim world in the ME is going to have to accept that Israel has a right to exist and quit attacking. Israel is not going to roll over.

What about the double standard where it's ok for Hamas and Hezbolah to lob missiles into Israeli cities indiscriminately but it's wrong for Israel to respond and protect herself? You can only poke a bear so long without getting bitten!

[stroller]

Who says Hamas and Hezbollah are right?
Re-Israel, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Marmite the Dog]

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

Chad?

Right continent, wrong country.....

Either tell us where it is, or pose this question in the games room!

[Whiteshiva]

[Agreed India has a far more civilized and functional society than NK. NK really is China's problem.
The nuke technology NK has is largely thanks to the appeasement deal Bill Clinton made in 1996.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I though the US made a deal to provide NK with light water reactors. You cannot make nuclear weapons with the kind of fuel that goes into a light water reactor. Besides, building a nuclear weapon is a completely different technology that what is neede to operate a nuclear reactor.

The Arab/Muslim world in the ME is going to have to accept that Israel has a right to exist and quit attacking. Israel is not going to roll over.

I think this is widely accepted in the Arab world, perhaps with the exception of Syria. The issue most Arabs I talk to are upset about is Israels failure to withdraw from the Golan heights and the west bank, and their treatment of the Palestinians.

What about the double standard where it's ok for Hamas and Hezbolah to lob missiles into Israeli cities indiscriminately but it's wrong for Israel to respond and protect herself? You can only poke a bear so long without getting bitten!

I can't see how bombing Beiruts international airport or power plants in Gaza is helping their cause, though. To me it is just aimed at terrorising the civilian population, which just makes it easier for Hizbolah and Hamas to justify their aim of desturction of Israel, as well as ensureing a steady stream of recruits who want to avenge the loss of friends and family members.

Look at the numbers of people killed and injused on the Israeli side, and compare to the loss of lives in Lebanon - don't you think the former has overracted, and taken action against the wrong targets? Add to that the hostage taking of elected Palestinian officials, and it becomes clear that although Hizbolah are a bunch of criminals, their actions pale in comparison with what Israel has done.

I had, over the past few months started to doubt my hostility towards Israel, mainly diue to their withdrawal from Gaza, but after what I have seen in the last few days, I am convinced that Israel, in its present form needs to be wiped from the map. They behave no better than the nazis during WW2, they both believed in their racial superiority, and their God-given right to rule over their neighbours, by all means. Just as the nazis, they are doomed to fail. The sooner the better.

[Whiteshiva]

Perhaps not, but nuclear fission was first achieved in one of the most backwards countries in the world........guess where?

Chad?

Right continent, wrong country.....

Either tell us where it is, or pose this question in the games room!

Gabon, west-central Africa - and this happened way before WW2.....

[Mr Earl]

It's clearly a real mess with no easy solution.
With Iran and Syria calling for Israeli annihilation. I don't see how else Israel should respond. (they've been plagued with random suicide attacks for the past 30+ years) WTF!
If the shoe was on the other foot and Israel was attacking a stronger better equipped Arab military I doubt the Arabs would be showing as much restraint.
Israel could wipe Damascus and Tehran off the map if they chose to.

[Marmite the Dog]

Gabon, west-central Africa - and this happened way before WW2.....

Any links to general info about this? I'd be interested in reading a bit about it.

[Whiteshiva]

Gabon, west-central Africa - and this happened way before WW2.....

Any links to general info about this? I'd be interested in reading a bit about it.

It may not be what you were expecting, but here is:

ANS : Public Information : Resources : Special Topics : Oklo's Natural Fission Reactors

Oklo: Natural Nuclear Reactors - Fact Sheet

remember, this was wayyyyy before WW2......

[Marmite the Dog]

That was pretty interesting. Cheers.

[Whiteshiva]

That was pretty interesting. Cheers.

My pleasure. In fact, looking at the U235/235 ratio and these isotopes' half-lives, it may also be proven that Iran proseesed enough weapons grade Uranium 235 to make thousands of nuclear warheads a few years back......




...... a few billion years back, that is......

[Penzman]

[/quote Whiteshiva]
I had, over the past few months started to doubt my hostility towards Israel, mainly diue to their withdrawal from Gaza, but after what I have seen in the last few days, I am convinced that Israel, in its present form needs to be wiped from the map. They behave no better than the nazis during WW2, they both believed in their racial superiority, and their God-given right to rule over their neighbours, by all means. Just as the nazis, they are doomed to fail. The sooner the better.[/quote]

You'd think that after WWII they would have become the one people to set a peaceful example to others but they went the other way by being one of the most annoying people on the planet. Som nam na.

[man with no head]

OH. MY. GOD.

The disgust to which this administration has filled me makes me want to chunder:

UNITED NATIONS (AFP) - US Ambassador John Bolton said there was no moral equivalence between the civilian casualties from the Israeli raids in Lebanon and those killed in Israel from 'terrorist' acts.

Lebanon civilian deaths morally not same as terror victims -- Bolton - Yahoo! News

In other words, the position of the United States is that the life of an Israeli is worth more than that of a non-Israeli.

I am so ashamed as an American to have this ape representing us in the UN. I want to puke.

[man with no head]

I don't mean to be a Smart Alec.....but I did mean the electronics (the heart) of a Fighter Plane.
The Israelies could have sold a lot more in the past to China, but pressure from the U.S. has worked.
Do you realy think that China is your biggest enemy ?

I think it's an outrage that our 'friend' would even consider selling arms to China, let alone, actually do it...especially technology that the American taxpayare paid for to defend our own nation.

Even the sale of a bullet to China would be beyond reproach. And, yes, China is the biggest threat America will face in the next 50-100 years as competition over oil becomes more intense.