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03-08-2010, 08:30 PM
mr Fred

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

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^ Does Jewish law demand that hands, noses and ears be chopped off? Or say that women are no more than chattel?

Can you please provide any link that shows these UK courts have those powers?
After all a statement like that requires proof.

Not yet. Give me one year, please.

In other words, you lied.
03-08-2010, 08:34 PM
mr Fred

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

If this mosque is approved, it will be destroyed. And rightly so.

So that is the liberty and freedom you claim to stand for is it?

Given the US constitution guarantees freedom of religion, you are advocating suspension or abandonment of that document.

Who is the greater threat to the American way of life?
03-08-2010, 09:51 PM
sabang

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

If this mosque is approved, it will be destroyed. And rightly so.

By your perverse definition, most every international airport in the world is a Mosque too.

Incidentally, the Community centre has already been approved.

And yes Fred, you have correctly seen that some of our nutters are essentially the same as yours. The funny thing is they don't see it at all- the religious zealots and bigots on opposing sides have a lot more in common than they know. Perhaps they should mate. :rolleyes:
04-08-2010, 12:38 AM
pickel

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

For centuries, mozzies have demanded that bizmen submit to their faith if they wanted to trade.

Are you saying that Dick Cheney is a Muslim?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

If this mosque is approved, it will be destroyed. And rightly so.

There you go forgetting about the constitution again.
04-08-2010, 12:39 AM
sabang

I suppose these articles in support of the community centre are in response to the drummed up opposition to it, fair enough.

Christian-
Supporting Article in Sojourners
Jewish-
Op-Ed in Support of Cordoba House in Washington Post
local rag-
Downtown Express:
Interfaith-
Inter-Religious Dialogue - “Cordoba House: A Symbol of Progress in Lower Manhattan,” By Zeeshan Suhail, et al.

In an idle moment, I googled community centres in Manhattan, there are loads. Including a Persian community centre. Helluva city- I've got fond memories of the place. Don't let these out of towners ruin it.
04-08-2010, 06:34 AM
MrG

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Many US/NATO soldiers are killed because their backup units cannot engage to help them: "there MAY be civilians" in the area that is attacking them. *sob* Ya, let the whiteys die. Meanwhile, the kids, women and old geezers supporting the enemy are noted as "civilians".

Interesting rant, but I'm telling you I saw a man interviewed in the room in the US where they operate drones in Iraq or Afghanistan describe the calculations that go into making a strike. Believe what you want.
04-08-2010, 09:10 AM
jojo333

The islamification of society must be resisted at all costs, Islam is at war with civilization and people need to wake up to that fact.
04-08-2010, 10:03 AM
MrG

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Originally Posted by jojo333

The islamification of society must be resisted at all costs, Islam is at war with civilization and people need to wake up to that fact.

Whether or not it is a fact has yet to be documented. There are people and groups that use Islam to rally people to fight their cause. But I don't see how you can say Islam itself is at war with America, let alone civilization.

If that's what you believe, do you think throwing out basic American rights as freedom of religeon and will stop it, or make it worse?
04-08-2010, 10:09 AM
Lambik

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Originally Posted by sabang

And yes Fred, you have correctly seen that some of our nutters are essentially the same as yours. The funny thing is they don't see it at all- the religious zealots and bigots on opposing sides have a lot more in common than they know. Perhaps they should mate. :rolleyes:

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Indeed , looks like their motto is :

Listen to my words, but don't look at my deeds.
04-08-2010, 12:30 PM
jojo333

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Originally Posted by MrG

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Originally Posted by jojo333

The islamification of society must be resisted at all costs, Islam is at war with civilization and people need to wake up to that fact.

Whether or not it is a fact has yet to be documented. There are people and groups that use Islam to rally people to fight their cause. But I don't see how you can say Islam itself is at war with America, let alone civilization.

If that's what you believe, do you think throwing out basic American rights as freedom of religeon and will stop it, or make it worse?

This is not a freedom of religion issue. It is a survival issue. If this makes me a bigot then I can live with that.
04-08-2010, 12:37 PM
Jet Gorgon

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Originally Posted by mr Fred

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If this mosque is approved, it will be destroyed. And rightly so.

So that is the liberty and freedom you claim to stand for is it?

The USA was built on Christian values. As I said before, islam is not only a religion, it is a force meant to take over government, justice, culture...If they hate Western vaules so much, why do they immigrate there?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Many US/NATO soldiers are killed because their backup units cannot engage to help them: "there MAY be civilians" in the area that is attacking them. *sob* Ya, let the whiteys die. Meanwhile, the kids, women and old geezers supporting the enemy are noted as "civilians".

Interesting rant, but I'm telling you I saw a man interviewed in the room in the US where they operate drones in Iraq or Afghanistan describe the calculations that go into making a strike. Believe what you want.

And? What are the calculations? Got a linkie? I know from the forces' forum that soldiers are not allowed to take out an enemy post because there "may be" civilians there. Back up forces cannot provide cover for these forces to exit because they might hit a civilian. Fek that crap.
04-08-2010, 03:10 PM
pickel

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The USA was built on Christian values. As I said before, islam is not only a religion, it is a force meant to take over government, justice, culture

But you're OK with fundamentalist Christians influencing the gov't? There's a hell of a lot more of that going on in America. I don't see you complaining about it much.
I believe the church (or mosque) should be separate from the state.
04-08-2010, 03:16 PM
sabang

^ It is. As guaranteed by the same Constitution and Bill of Rights they like to quote so often. :rolleyes:
04-08-2010, 03:48 PM
Jet Gorgon

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

The USA was built on Christian values. As I said before, islam is not only a religion, it is a force meant to take over government, justice, culture

But you're OK with fundamentalist Christians influencing the gov't? There's a hell of a lot more of that going on in America. I don't see you complaining about it much.
I believe the church (or mosque) should be separate from the state.

I believe that, too -- separate. Gimme some proof of the fundamental church controlling the govt today. Pfft. You just want to spout libbie non-logic. Give away all of our rights, our views, our way of life for the anti-westerners who immigrate for the freebies and rights they get.
05-08-2010, 01:39 AM
pickel

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Gimme some proof of the fundamental church controlling the govt today.

Have you ever heard of an "Atheist" running for President? :rolleyes:
05-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Jet Gorgon

^ Doubt there ever will be. The PEOPLE want a person who has the same VALUES as they do. You do know what VALUES are? I think more folks are angry they were duped by obama who appears to be more muslim than Christian. Twenty years with Rev Wright hasn't helped either.
05-08-2010, 11:09 AM
S Landreth

In case you haven’t seen it,….Mayor Bloomberg says it well.

YouTube - ‪Mayor Bloomberg Discusses the Landmarks Preservation Commission Vote On 45-47 Park Place‬&lrm;
05-08-2010, 12:08 PM
pickel

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You do know what VALUES are?

When you say VALUES, do you mean supporting the blowing up of a mosque in downtown NYC?

The Christian Right are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet and are far from having any VALUES.
06-08-2010, 10:04 AM
jandajoy

YouTube - ‪No mosque at Ground Zero‬&lrm;
06-08-2010, 10:08 AM
mc2

^ typical arrogant , obnoxious islamophobe.

this type of personality suggest to me that he would be suicide bomber material , or fire breathing islamic preacher at the least, if he were born and raised in Saudi Arabia.

these American types and Islamic fundamentalists are two sides to the same, intolerant coin.
06-08-2010, 10:39 AM
sccrhound

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ *sob* Of course no Taleban killed any innocents. Oh, and please remind me, how many Kurds did Hussein kill?

So two wrongs make a right.

BTW

Taliban
06-08-2010, 10:46 AM
larvidchr

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Originally Posted by mc2

^ typical arrogant , obnoxious islamophobe.

this type of personality suggest to me that he would be suicide bomber material , or fire breathing islamic preacher at the least, if he were born and raised in Saudi Arabia.

these American types and Islamic fundamentalists are two sides to the same, intolerant coin.

You got Pat Condell pegged completely wrong Mate, formerly a staunch liberal left wing, he is an ateist and despises all religions equally, he is for free speech also the cristian fundementalists or islamic fanatics, as long as he is given the same rights.

Check out this link with a few more vid. from Condell on religion as such.

https://teakdoor.com/religion-philoso...existence.html

:)
06-08-2010, 10:53 AM
mc2

Thanks for that, yes I took him for a right wing Christian of sorts.
I like his ideas although I don't agree with his approach...
06-08-2010, 11:31 AM
sccrhound

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Originally Posted by Thaiguy

That building is a war memorial since part of one of the 9/11 airplanes crashed into it, causing severe damage. That makes the building a war memorial, no less than Gettysburg or Pearl Harbor. There should be no mosque there, and nothing there but a memorial to the people that America lost to that heinous Islamic jihad attack on September 11, 2001.

The plane did not crash into it. Pieces of the plane fell into it. Pearl Harbor is a memorial, the other parts of Honolulu where planes crashed, bombs and bullets hit are not.

Using Gettsburg is an insult to the memory of those who died there. Over 50,000 men died in that battle.
06-08-2010, 12:46 PM
Jet Gorgon

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Originally Posted by pickel

The Christian Right are some of the biggest hypocrites on the planet and are far from having any VALUES.

Ah! So you admit there are Christian lefties? Are they better than the Christian righties?

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Using Gettsburg is an insult to the memory of those who died there. Over 50,000 men died in that battle.

But they were soldiers who died at Gettysburg. The people killed on 9/11 were civilians. Three of my family fought at Gettysburg and I say it's OK to use the parallel for 9/11. I'm still waiting for reparation from the blacks my fam saved. :)

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