^ This just shows what an embarrassing joke the USA has become. As I've stated, I"m not a Muslim, Christian, Jew or Hindu, or follow any religion.
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^ This just shows what an embarrassing joke the USA has become. As I've stated, I"m not a Muslim, Christian, Jew or Hindu, or follow any religion.
The proposed plans for a mosque near "Ground Zero" has got to be one of the greatest insults to the innocents that died there at the hands of Islamo-fascists terrorists, it's like making a clubhouse for Dr. Mengele fans in Auschwitz, in the name of greater understanding, medical science and peace.
It is a direct provocation to the principles of the individual freedoms as "supposedly" guaranteed by the American constitution, and it will be percieved, not like a gesture of friendship and understanding in the minds of the radical Islamists and many Muslims as a whole, but as a victory monument.
On June the 6 there is to be a protest rally against the building of the mosque-
SIOA Rally June 6 Against Islamic Supremacist Mosque at Ground Zero -- NEW YORK, June 1 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
And here is what Pat Condell have to say about it-
YouTube - No mosque at Ground Zero
Since Larry Silverstein and his crew of untouchables razed the WTC, I believe nothing Jewish should be built there.
Larry Silverstein signed the lease just six weeks before the WTC's twin towers were brought to the ground by terrorists in the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Silverstein contended that the two jetliners crashing into the twin towers about 15 minutes apart should be considered two separate events, which would allow him to collect the maximum from the insurers for each tower, as much as $7 billion.
The insurance companies insisted that the attacks should be considered a single event, cutting in half the amount Silverstein can collect.
After a three-month trial, jurors decided Thursday that the attacks should be considered a single event for nine insurance companies, which together are responsible for at least $1 billion in coverage.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/04/29/at...nce/index.html
...nevermind..
Thanks for the info, Larv. I sent it to pals in NY.
Good on you Pat, telling it like it is as usual.
It is the opposite though- one of the primary freedoms guaranteed by the US Constitution is Freedom of Assembly, which includes Freedom of Religion. Whoever wrote that is a self defeating dufus. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by larvidchr
Neither is the site of the proposed Mosque situated at GZ- it is a few hundred meters away, as the crow flies. It is located in a side street that comes off Broadway opposite City Hall. This is not the Financial District- it is or was a nondescript light manufacturing and commercial district, but of course with Manhattan real estate prices, going more residential. I worked at the World Financial Center for a while (opposite and linked to WTC), and didn't even know this street existed.
So this is just shitstirring for the sake if it- I mean if you don't want a Mosque built anywhere, thats one thing, but there is nothing 'special' about the location of this Mosque. It may only be a few hundred meters from GZ (for a pigeon) but at street level it's a world away. Of course the majority of people who read this concocted hysteria wouldn't know Manhattan from a bargepole.
"I'm not even American" that's where I shut him off. If you're not American shut da fuk up! Go criticize and blog about your own country, twat.
^ Technically true Jet, but with WTC & WFC housing so many Brokers and Banks it was functionally considered part of it, or at least an adjunct. Actually, the original financial district (mostly Wall & Broad St) is closer to the proposed Mosque than GZ. But you won't find any banks in this shabby little street. Historically, the place might have been considered part of the garment district.
It is not an outrage at all- it is a concocted hysteria, a storm in a teacup.
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Originally Posted by larvidchr
So about those freedoms you seem to hold so close to your arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by The First Amendment
A few crappy idiots with bloody silly ideas managed to murder a lot of people and you want to blame and punish all Muslims for their actions.
I think you will find it would be illegal under US law to stop anyone building a mosque by whatever means because someone else (who perverts that same religion) committed a crime even if it was a fucking big and especially nasty one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fourth Geneva Convention
Of course it's OK because the aren't people, just Muslims.
As George Washington said in 1789, "Fuck off you silly bastard"
The problem is that they did it in the name of Islam.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr Fred
I don't see a problem with that, and actually would make a lot of sense.
since when religion is associated with terrorism and 911 ? :rolleyes:
If the Christians stopped killing today the deaths by Islam might catch up to them in a Century or two. Has there ever been a more murderous religion than Christianity?
I happen to like Islamic people, better than Christians. And I liked the Thai Islamics better than the Thais.
Some of y'all are shallow enough to believe anything the news and politicians spin. Fact is Islam is a peaceful religion. The few who aren't peaceful are out-numbered by the Christians who aren't peaceful 10:1.
Edit: The protest isn't across from City Hall if the article is correct, it is directly across from the WTC. Do you have the actual street that it will be built on?Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...,0.004115&z=18
why not build a mosque, a church and a temple, that would settle the dispute and would be also appropriate
Incidentally-
"Three hundred of the victims were Muslim, that's 10 percent of the victims," she said. "We are Americans too. The 9/11 tragedy hurt everybody including the Muslim community. We are all in this together and together we have to fight against extremism and terrorism."
Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero - CNN.com
The Cordoba House project is to be located in Park Place, there is a map in the Link below.
This proposed project is about promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion through arts and culture. Cordoba House will provide a place where individuals, regardless of their backgrounds, will find a center of learning, art and culture; and most importantly, a center guided by Islamic values in their truest form - compassion, generosity, and respect for all.
The site will contain tremendous amounts of resources that otherwise would not exist in Lower Manhattan; a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, art exhibition spaces, bookstores, restaurants - all these services would form a cultural nexus for a region of New York City that, as it continues to grow, requires the sort of hub that Cordoba House will provide.
Cordoba House - New York City | Cordoba
No. A better answer would be to build a non-denominational center for the study of religions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
A mosque would be nothing but trouble, especially now, even if it is not that close. If a country can shut down a web site because of a page it deems offensive to its religion, how about a religion that people have used as a reason for attacking a country.
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by sabang
Dialogue is the best thing
Park Place isn't a small side street
Can you give the numbers on Christians killing in the name of Jesus vs muslims killing in the name of allah?Quote:
Originally Posted by Camel Toe
Go back to sharpening pencils for your census job.
An example of the ridiculous hyperbole thats out there-
Since I wrote in HUMAN EVENTS on May 14 about the plans to build a giant 15-story mosque and Islamic Center next to Ground Zero, the deceptions and Islamic supremacist intentions of the mosque organizers have become more obvious. Yet Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York and the New York political establishment refuse to listen to the will of the people.
This why the Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) June 6 rally against the proposed mega-mosque is so important. The Islamic supremacists must not be allowed to do a victory dance on the hallowed burial ground of Ground Zero. They must be exposed and shamed until they withdraw their plans for the mosque.
Rally to Protest the Ground Zero Mosque - HUMAN EVENTS
It is not on the 'hallowed' Ground Zero at all. It is in lower Manhattan, thats all.
Just thought you might like to know a bit about Pamela Geller, the author of that loony Blogpiece :rolleyes: -
What do you get when you combine the most outlandish gaffes of Anne Coulter, the most awkward monologues of Sarah Palin, the senility of the crazy McCain Lady, filter any remaining logic out of it and give it a keyboard in the Bronx?
The answer is the looniest blogger ever: Pamela Geller. If you are unaware of who Pamela Geller is then we apologize for bringing her being into your world, but she is all too familiar to those of us who browse the internet and have come across her shrill and plainly insane blogging on Atlas Shrugs. (Given the amount of hallucinations on that blog, Atlas Shrugs should properly be renamed Atlas Drugs).
What is it though that Pamela believes in? What does she blog about?
Pam has the distinction of being the originator and pusher of some of the most vile and obscene conspiracy theories on the internet. Mostly dealing with Islam and Muslims but also Barack Obama, and the two are combined — A LOT. In one of her recent tirades titled, CNN Tells, Sells More Lies About Palin — it’s Time to Expose the truth about Obama, Geller writes,
So why not tell the truth about Obama and his reported strange sexual predilections? My question is, it is well known that Obama allegedly was involved with a crack whore in his youth. Very seedy stuff. Why aren’t they pursuing that story? Find the ho, give her a show!
Here she calls on CNN to investigate Obama’s “strange sexual predilections.” She also says that it is “well known” but then sneaks in “allegedly” that Obama was “involved with a crack whore in his youth.” This is just the beginning of the craziness. She then goes on to state that she believes that President Obama’s trip to Pakistan in the 80’s was originally to go for drugs but that he became indoctrinated into Jihad.
Back in the early 80’s, there were only two reasons to travel to Pakistan. Jihad or drugs. I think he went for the drugs and came back with jihad. (He did, after all, change his name to Barack Hussein Obama from Barry Soetoro, upon his return from that trip).
Real good investigative work Pam! He changed his name to what had always been his name and that shows that he is a Jihadist? For the uber-racist Pam Geller, drugs is a connotation for Black and Jihad is a connotation for Muslim; a Black man can only travel to get drugs, and a Muslim country can only offer travelers Jihad.
Additionally, Pam Geller has an unhealthy obsession with Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham. For Pam the old adage do not speak ill of the dead has no resonance, in fact she can’t even stop her self from speaking slanderous lies about the dead.
Pam, that ever-vigilant firecracker of a reporter broke a story that “even CNN didn’t care to touch.” What was this highly neglected breaking story? Obama is the illegitimate son of Malcolm X! In her 50,000 word rant, Pam Geller toys with all sorts of theories including the suggestion that Obama’s mom somehow had an amorous hook up with Malcolm?
Barack Hussein Obama Jr Malcolm X Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines…none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
She then goes on a long and wide conspiratorial line trying to link Barack’s mother with Malcolm X, and all the possibilities of how they could have hooked up. If you read the post, beware that it is long, like sleuthing through a swamp.
In a most bizarre jab at Obama’s mom, Geller wonders aloud why CNN isn’t pursuing some “story” about the “alleged” nude “pornographic” pictures taken of Obama’s mom by Frank Marshall Davis!
Why isn’t CNN pursuing the nude pornographic photos of Obama’s mom…I never ran the pics, as it was unseemly and wasn’t relevant. But this assault on Palin is too disgusting. It’s time to tell the ugly truth about the enemy in the White House and his whores in the media.
Maybe CNN and the “whores in the media” aren’t running this story because it is a non-story with no news value? Or maybe because it is a figment of a loony blogger’s imagination with no thread of truth in it? Or maybe because it has nothing to do with the job performance of that “Negro Mooslim enemy” in the White House?
That is another card in the loonieness that is Pamela Geller. She believes Obama is an enemy, i.e. according to her he is a Muslim. On the end-of-times loon website World Net Daily, Geller wrote this hysterical post titled Obama’s Islam: Now He Tells Us,
We should have seen all this coming. Obama deceitfully hid his Muslim background and schooling and his agenda. I started writing about Obama’s religious Muslim background in January 2007, and throughout 2007 and 2008 I presented evidence of Obama’s identification as a Muslim when he was a child, his extremist Muslim family and his Islamic schooling. In December 2007, I wrote, “Barack Obama went to a madrassa in Jakarta. A madrassa in a Muslim country. Whether he was devout or secular, he knows what was taught. He knows what is in the Quran. Even if he is ambiguous, he knows the stakes involved. His father was a Muslim who took three wives (without divorcing). His stepfather and close members of his family are devout Muslims. Not an unimportant influence.” And who can forget Obama’s bald-faced lies to the Jews? In February 2008, Obama told Jewish leaders: “If anyone is still puzzled about the facts, in fact I have never been a Muslim.” Yet he was registered as a Muslim in an Indonesian school…And so now we have our first Muslim presidency, just eight years after 9/11. The media can spin their subjugation and adulation a million different ways, but America did not vote for a “Muslim presidency,” which is what this is. Everything this president has done so far has helped foster America’s submission to Islam.
If that weren’t enough then you could predict what comes next. Not only is Obama the illegitimate son of Malcolm X, not born in America, on top of all that it is obvious that since he is a Muslim he must also be an anti-Semite!
Every decision, every move, every policy decision the President has made in regards to Israel has been the act of …. an anti-semite.
So there you have it the Mooslims are taking over! In fact they have already taken over America, so much so that we have a Mooslim president, who is anti-Semitic, sired by the fire breathing Malcolm X, his mom was a whore, and oh yeah somewhere in there he is also a socialist! That comes to you courtesy of the Looniest Blogger Ever!
Her blog remains “popular,” the adjective “popular” however may be a bit misleading as it seems to be popular only with crazies who espouse openly bigoted views. A glance at her comments section demonstrates this,
Posted by: jj | Sunday, August 30, 2009 at 01:24 AM , “Pigs are more humane than Muhammad. And cleaner, too.”
Posted by: En français | Monday, August 31, 2009 at 07:56 AM
What is a man with the name Matthew Polombo doing as the secretaey general of something called the Somali Youth Action? To build this big Islamic style complex exclusively for Moslem Somalis in Minneapolis means someone thinks they are there to stay ….. but as soon as we get rid of the Monster in the White House, we will get rid of them. Since they were imported, the crime rate has soared. They were criminals in Somalia, so they are also criminals in America and have no idea of American ideals and way of life. This sport center would be a hatching center for more crimes against Americans who don’t want them, didn’t ask them to come and want to get rid of them. The people of Minneapolis are insanely stupid if they allow this Obamanation to materialize.
Posted by: Sarastro | Monday, August 31, 2009 at 07:57 AM
WTF?!?!? How many dang Somalis do we have here that they need a frickin’ Youth Center? WhoTF needs Somalis here anyway? What? Are they the world’s best meat-packers?!?!?
Yeah, and I know. . . when the Muslims say “prevent” violence they mean “promote” violence.
Yeah, right. Separate gyms and pools, a place to get married, and maybe a hall or two in which to teach hatred and strategy for Islamic Supremacy?
This article is just more evidence that Muslims, (may their prophet be damned,) have no desire to assimilate or become Americans in support of America.
These comments are just a sampling of what passes as polite discourse on Atlas Shrugs, to get further acquainted with her and the loonieness of her commenters just parse through the comment section there, you will be truly mortified.
Update: Pamela Geller now claims she never penned the Malcolm X article, and that she doesn’t support the theory that Malcolm X is the father of Barack Obama. However, she never made any such qualifier when she originally posted the piece on her site. Which begs the question, why, if she didn’t believe what was written did she post it under her name? How can she not understand how insane it is, even for someone who believes Obama wasn’t born in America, to think he was the illegitimate son of Malcolm X, let alone give credence to such loony conspiracies by posting it on her site?
Update II: Pamela Geller calls for the destruction of the Golden Dome.
Update III: Obama is a Mooslim, Jihadist, Pimp, anti-Semite who is aiding the Iranian Nuclear program
Update IV: Sharia Coke is taking over the world, it is defamation of Judaism and Christianity for Islam to include Moses and Jesus as Prophets of Islam.
Update V: Pamela Geller is a Holocaust Revisionist who claims that Hitler and the Nazis adopted Jihad
Pamela Geller: The Looniest Blogger Ever | loonwatch.com
You decide. :rofl:
^^ Meh, Sabang, there are as many libbie loonies and they even have their own network: MSNBC. As soon as I see crap like that, I move on. Same as with camel toe, who is incapable of debating or adding anything worthwhile here.
I've got census records around here somewhere Jet .... Oh, here they are, before and after The Inquisition. 12,033,465 non-Christians killed, 24,066,988 tortured, 13 converts.
Please quote the documentation. I'm not saying you are wrong, but facts without backup mean nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camel Toe
The inquisition was horrible, but it was also several centuries ago.
FWIW, both the inquisition and the Muslim fanatics are part of the reason I have nothing to do with organized religion.
^ 12 million people back then? That's half the world's pop back then, no? Sure you got your numbers right? Meh, they were mostly Spanish. And look where they are now! Home of the first Cordoban mosque.
What about a whorehouse as well ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
sandwiched right in the middle for converts like myself....