Thread: Are Yahweh & Allah the Same God?

^ Agree.
In the beginning the Elohim (plural powers/forces/gods) created the heavens and the earth from the formless/void and the elohim caused/resulted in light. The elohim went on to evolve the whole universe and the "Eden" story re human origin follows that along with an extensive geneology of some of the original writer's "family connections".

Jehovah didn't arrive till later on in Genesis, in the Hebraic peoples' struggle between idlatory/stone worship, Ba'al et al.

A heap of allegory follows re various events including Noa's ark etc.
The descendents of Abraham suffled off from Ur /Uruk(Iraq) west through Anatolia following ancient roads to Armenia then down via Lebanon and some to Egypt, the first Pharonic dynasty to build the pyramids.

They contracted the job out to cuzzy-bros, relies etc and pretty soon, many members of the Hebrew tribes sought work there.

After all, Egypt by then was an aqua/economic culture, using water power and massive irrigation systems, so providing sufficient food for a large enough work force for its ventures.

So the bonded workers were of a different class fromtheir Pharonic cuzies.
One day they went on strike.
Then pissed off. back north.
That's the beginning of the Moses story.

This is where Jehovah starts up big etc.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

God always acts like a petulant 12-year old. That's your best way at identification.

Good observation lol

Though christians have a long history calling mohammad a imposter etc. So many christians seem to memorized the qur'an completely to find things that are violent. Just reading the bible tells you that in it's mercyfullness and cruelty it is the same god. It should be understood that the sentences of violence are very short they mostly do not mention the previous sentences which refers to war like situations etc

^^ Also, by the time the "Children of Israel/Abraham" who were "in bondage" in Egypt escaped to Canaan, Ismael (the other cuz begat via Sarah from Abraham) was begetting across the Arabian peninsula.

The Koran makes frequent references to how the Jews and then the Christians were previously Gods chosen people but that they basically forsook him by not showing him enough respect and that he now hates them all and now he loves only islamic people. As long as they don't piss him off then the the muslims are the current and most recent school swots in Gods books. So, yes, it is the same god.

Muslims are allowed to eat kosha food if Halal isn't available.
Not many people know that. It's because both involve a prayer to God with the death of the animal.

Good ol' Sva!

About the only point of interest regarding organised religion, to me, is that it is UnGodly. Looking at the monotheistic religions, whatever you may call God, it is really just a history of conflict and bigotry. Not to mention, subjugation of women.

Whether it is between different religions, between factions within a religion, or as a pretext to dehumanise, persecute and murder people that do not practise your religion, a look at religious history mainly reveals the most base aspects of human nature. As 'Christians', I think we were only the most accomplished at mass slaughter because we have been the dominant culture for so long. Had the cards fallen differently, I doubt the Djoo's or Muzzies would have been any better, but I guess thats debatable.

So, assuming there is a 'God' (and as a Humanist I really don't care) he clearly does not speak to his minions through the Church. Thats a human construct. Unless, perhaps, his nature is not that ascribed to him by the various 'Bibles'.


Another mildly interesting aspect to one with a logical philosophic bent, is the sheer arrogance and chauvinism of the religious thinking. This is my religion, and this is my Church or Sect. We are Right, and everyone else is Wrong.

Originally Posted by Looper

The Koran makes frequent references to how the Jews and then the Christians were previously Gods chosen people but that they basically forsook him by not showing him enough respect and that he now hates them all and now he loves only islamic people. As long as they don't piss him off then the the muslims are the current and most recent school swots in Gods books. So, yes, it is the same god.

Thanks for the clearing this up Looper, if it does clear it up.

Do Christians and Jews believe this?

If they don't, this question is one of the many questions that are not agreed upon by the Muslims, Christians, and Jews themselves.

The Bible(OT) is the basis of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
It was written and edited sveral times until the time of Roman destruction of Israel c.75AD.

This resulted in the last diaspora of Israelites from Israel and Cannan, as the Jewish led state(not a kingdom under Roman law) of Israel was cracked down on by Rome.

These people left, north, south, east and west. Some stayed.

Early Xtians, the gentiles in Greece, ex-patriate Israelites, not necessarily Judeans(jews), Armeneans, all had tribal and territorial and trade links with then Israel.

They wrote the Xtian New Testament.
About 500 yrs later Islam was born

All refering to the OT, specfically the laws of Moses.

Originally Posted by sabang

They all created the world.

Will probably see to the end of it as well.

^^ Thank you, ENT.

But the disagreement over whether it's the same god is what honestly confuses me.

Same same one.

Both Xtianity and Islam arose as splinter sects of Judaism. So did Copts and several others, all referring back to Mosaic law. Each sect became a separate religious practice, each claiming to be the true interpretation of God's laws, so earning the best pos. in an after life.

^ Indeed. But the Divine message was that the Djoo's stuffed it up. Lost their 'chosen people' status. Major bummer.

^ Which divine message.""

Xtians. Oh well, that will make it 'wrong' to different theologies.

^How?

Must I? Really, this is not a topic that fascinates me. I'm a Humanist.
Theres stuff about it if it really interests you. Google is you friend.

^ Oh thought you wanted a debate.

Can't find a reference to your particular brand of "Divine" message that you referred to.

Can you help?