Orwellian Society

[Jesus Jones]

For those using the term conspiracy, can you honestly say this shit isn't happening?

[DaffyDuck]

Oh, it's Faux News -- it *must* be true.

[ItsRobsLife]

Well Dafney if you cared to actually look at what you're commenting on you'd see it's not a Faux news article, that screenshot is just part of the footage.

Jesus Jones, yes I think we are moving toward if not already in an 'Orwellian' future, and as the video suggests it's a conglomeration of several factors that have created it.

I remember how Government have used legislation to control freedom, but todays generation have been born into a world where those laws and rights are history, an accepted norm and monitoring is commonplace, and it's not just governments now that are doing the monitoring, it's also the corporations, they are working hand in hand toward the same goal and so benefit from each others strategies.

On the Corporate side, it's the gathering of our thoughts and desires to create a demographic that would best suit us and maximise their revenue, and in return for that demographic identity and the access it represents, ironically, but in some kind unspoken trade off, we are giving up our individuality.

On the Government side, they have us so wrapped in fear and now have passed so many regresssive laws, that fear and regression have become normality, and through that they have in effect insulated themselves from the population and from the law itself, and set the tone for the future.

If you are not part of the Corporation or the Government, your role is to consume their product or service their debt. Stick to the prescribed demographics and be model citizen, or create dissent against them and lose any perceived rights.

Nothing new you might say and indeed you would be right, but it is the presupposed extent to which they have control now that is unparalleled.

[ItsRobsLife]

There is a very dark side for future generations to this unspoken trade off with the corporations and government, inasmuch as we are now living in a world where adolescent trangressions or poorly thought out associations or outgrown affiliations are part of the electronic baggage that each of us adds to every day. That information will be there to be seen for the rest of our lives and that information is a commodity whose future ownership is undetermined.

For us it's not so important, I've made most of my big mistakes and they only live on in the memories of a very few people, I've lived and learned and moved on from those events, but that is not the case today where transgressions will live on forever in perfect clarity as electronic data and could, and no doubt will, be used to effect people futures. This is the ideal leverage to create conformity or to create scapegoats.

[StrontiumDog]

"Managed democracy"

The Chinese have successfully herded 1.6 billion people. I think some western democracies would quite like to follow suit.

[Boon Mee]

"Managed democracy"

The Chinese have successfully herded 1.6 billion people. I think some western democracies would quite like to follow suit.

Tell us again how successful Mao was? Like how many he slaughtered in that "hearding" operation? Don't forget the Cultural Revolution too, eh?

[ItsRobsLife]

Well Mao was highly successful so I don't understand the sarcasm in your comment Boon. The Maoist state is still in operation 34 years after his death and has to be the quintessential Orwellian society.

[TSR2]

ell Mao was highly successful so I don't understand the sarcasm in your comment Boon. The Maoist state is still in operation 34 years after his dea

successul in changing the regime, total crap at economics, would not let those who understood this have a free reign, otherwise China would be 30 years in front

[ItsRobsLife]

Quite possibly. I'm not saying Mao was a good leader, just a successful one.

[Deris]

Quite possibly. I'm not saying Mao was a good leader, just a successful one.

I agree, he did pull the entire country along on his string. Killing those who opposed him he bent a nation of over abillion to his will. Not a good will, nor for the good of his people but he did do it.

[MustavaMond]

...... and it's not just governments now that are doing the monitoring, it's also the corporations, they are working hand in hand toward the same goal and so benefit from each others strategies.

On the Corporate side, it's the gathering of our thoughts and desires to create a demographic that would best suit us and maximise their revenue, and in return for that demographic identity and the access it represents, ironically, but in some kind unspoken trade off, we are giving up our individuality.

On the Government side, they have us so wrapped in fear and now have passed so many regresssive laws, that fear and regression have become normality, and through that they have in effect insulated themselves from the population and from the law itself, and set the tone for the future.

If you are not part of the Corporation or the Government, your role is to consume their product or service their debt. Stick to the prescribed demographics and be model citizen, or create dissent against them and lose any perceived rights.

Nothing new you might say and indeed you would be right, but it is the presupposed extent to which they have control now that is unparalleled.

Bingo !! But I'd say the government has been effectively absorbed-mutated, molded..(?)...into a corporatocracy as is no longer an individual entity.

Capitalism gone insane, psychotically greedy as mandated by charters..

[khang]

Yet another reason to leave the west for greener pastures ....