Thread: The Roots of Muslim Rage

Originally Posted by stroller

Curious how differently one can interpret the same text.

One might think you amd I read a different article.

For example:

It is not about US support for Israel. That is nothing more than a convenient excuse.

What the author is saying, is that the support for Israel is an important reason, but is on its own an insufficient explanation for the hartred.

This is the only point you commented on. Sounds to me like we agree on this one point though.

I commented more already earlier.

I find this article interesting and the arguments are valid, but am in no position to discuss it in depth, I lack the background knowledge.

I find the article shallow considering it fails to account for Zionism.

Are we at a point where it's us (well, Conservative Christians + Jews) versus them (Muslims)? I think that's the current basis for the violence. Just look at how the SC comes down on the issue: US-UK-IS versus the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by surasak

I find the article shallow considering it fails to account for Zionism.

If you support the UN then it's a mute point. If you're talking about the establishment of Israel. If not, then you need to be specific about what you're referring to when mentioning Zionism.

Seems nobody supports the UN unless it's convenient now does it.

BUMP.

The Australian govenment stands with the US and UK.

Surprised?

Bali?

As a whole the Aussies are a pretty smart lot. They know exactly which side of the fence to be on. And you can always count on Aussies not to be two faced about any issue. Unlike 49% of Americans.

^^You forgot to mention them in your US-UK-IS cabal "versus the rest of the world".

Don't forget Japan !

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Don't forget Japan !

and don't forget that japan wised up and pulled out their troops.....all 770 of them.

The first contingent of Japanese troops serving in Iraq has returned home after completing Japan's most significant military operation since World War II. About 170 soldiers arrived in Tokyo on Thursday, to be met by their families.
The rest of the 600-strong force are now in Kuwait, and are due to return to Japan by the end of the month.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan's Iraq troops arrive home

Stroller,

You're one of the few who I actually believe read the OP essay. So, here's a more current link from an author who I believe is saying similar things in regards to what the war in the Middle East is really about:

RealClearPolitics - Articles - It's Not Just About Land

"For about the last half-century, globalization has passed most of the recalcitrant Middle East by -- economically, socially and politically. The result is that there are now few inventions and little science emanating from the Islamic world -- but a great deal of poverty, tyranny and violence. And rather than make the necessary structural changes that might end cultural impediments to progress and modernity -- such as tribalism, patriarchy, gender apartheid, polygamy, autocracy, statism and fundamentalism -- too many Middle Easterners have preferred to embrace the reactionary past and the cult of victimization."

We don't seem to want to buy this sort of view from minorities in our own countries but amazingly enough we want to believe it applies to the Arabs.

Originally Posted by attaboy

^^You forgot to mention them in your US-UK-IS cabal "versus the rest of the world".

I have already in a different thread. It's bascially the English speaking Christian world + Jews against the rest of the world. It's no wonder the U.S., UK, and AUS have had their citizens targeted in attacks. Only because we support Israel.

How many more Americans, Brits, and Aussies must die innocently in support of Israel?

^
Sorry, off topic, just a short remark: the London bombings were related to Britains involvement in the Iraq invasion, not about Israel.

But still you cannot deny that the only ones coming out in show for Israel are the three most powerful English speaking nations. Ironically, the same three most heavily involved in Iraq as well.

Originally Posted by surasak

But still you cannot deny that the only ones coming out in show for Israel are the three most powerful English speaking nations. Ironically, the same three most heavily involved in Iraq as well.

Are you talking about the last week or two, or the last month or two ?

London and Tel Aviv blasts connected. There's your link.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by surasak

But still you cannot deny that the only ones coming out in show for Israel are the three most powerful English speaking nations. Ironically, the same three most heavily involved in Iraq as well.

Are you talking about the last week or two, or the last month or two ?

From start to now. Three of the four initial participants in the 2003 invasion of Iraq were the U.S., UK, and AUS.

If I remember correctly WORLD OPINION was heavily on the side of Israel at the beginning of the current hostilities.

G'day matey ... too much Saturday wasted already. See ya later alligator ... after while crocodile ... same sand box on monday

Haaand salute ... reeeeady ... two ! At ease sandcrab.

WORLD OPINION was heavily on the side of Israel at the beginning of the current hostilities.

Yeah, that was until the civilian death toll started climbing and billions of dollars of infrastructure were destroyed.

Nobody denies Israel's right to get back the kidnapped soldiers. It's the method of disproportionate response that is backfiring severely.

Originally Posted by surasak

Yeah, that was until the civilian death toll started climbing and billions of dollars of infrastructure were destroyed.

Nobody denies Israel's right to get back the kidnapped soldiers. It's the method of disproportionate response that is backfiring severely.

Trouble is the subjective way of counting the casualties because the hezbollah terrorist look just like civilians as it serves their purpose. They know that while they will loose militarily they will likely win in the public opinion arena.

I think there is disproportionate media response against Israel's duty to defend itself against hezbollah's willful and indiscriminate rocket attacks against Israeli civilians.

It is a war crime to deliberately target civilians as hezbollah is doing.

Where is the outrage against Syria and Iran who are supplying and pulling the strings behind the scenes here.
Don't you see the hypocrisy here?

Winning Hearts and Minds, Hezbollah Style

By Mark Noonan

This is, in my honest opinion, probably one of the top five most important stories in the MSM since 9/11:

Larnaca/Beirut - Several suspected spies were shot dead in the southern Lebanese port of Tyre, witness said on Thursday. Passengers on board an evacuation ship told medical doctor Boris Buck from the German city of Munich that they had seen members of the Lebanese Shi'ite Hezbollah group or their sympathisers killing 18 Lebanese people during the night.
The victims were suspected of helping the Israeli air force pick out targets.
The doctor, who was accompanying German citizens on their sea journey from Tyre to Cyprus, told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa that the witnesses had told him the spies had been accused of painting with luminous paint houses in which Hezbollah fighters were hiding out.

"The life manual of Islam, the Quran, is a document of exclusion, hatred and violence that shapes the Muslims' thinking and behaving. This stone-age document is optimally suited for people of stunted development".


Islam is the problem, dummy


Fuggin' weird shit man.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

"The life manual of Islam, the Quran, is a document of exclusion, hatred and violence that shapes the Muslims' thinking and behaving. This stone-age document is optimally suited for people of stunted development".


Islam is the problem, dummy


Fuggin' weird shit man.

I suggest you read the book, and then comment on it. The above is obviously written by someone who has never opened the Quran.

The Quran is probably less violent than the bible. Go figure.....