Quote Originally Posted by mao say dung
You wouldn't call Korea a "win"?
No, I wouldn't. In terms of the original 'Mission' I think it's a bit of a face saver to even call it a draw- but I'm honestly not coming from an 'American baiting' scenario here- thats old hat, and frankly distasteful. So lets call it a draw.

But look at it honestly- what are the major victories of our shared capitalist system, and sponsorship of international trade? If you look at it militarily, when the US has unilaterally declared war, the results have been sub par to say the least. Yet the Berlin Wall came tumbling down (without a shot being fired), Vietnam, China and increasingly Russia are being integrated into the world trade system. Your/Our 'victories' have been economic.