Thread: Is a Future without War Possible?

Future wars are inevitable... It's what form the wars will take... Most likely a viral / bacterial attack will take place, get out of hand and destroy 5/6ths of the earth's population... Oh wait, that theory has already been debunked...

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Originally Posted by chitown

Sorry LT, but I disagree. Nothing is "running out" and global warming is nothing but a fairy tale.

Originally Posted by chitown

Canada and the US are sitting on oil deposits 7 times than that of the Mid-East.

You are probably closer to the mark than what you think Chi and based upon your statements.

Whilst some countries have an abundance of natural resources there are others that do not. I don't expect and when some nations run drastically short that the affluent ones are going to part with their resources without there being a high price tag on them.

This in itself will create the need for some country/ countries/ continents and may I nominate greater Europe as an example to join forces and go and get what they need to survive.

Being an Aussie I can confidently predict that at some time we will have to defend our country and its natural resources against those that desperately need whats in our grounds.

I cannot confidently predict when but I do believe an attempt to change Australian ownership will take place sometime in the next 200 years.

As long as people are the common denominator, I wouldn't bet on it.

^ Yes...Even if aliens invaded, some people would likely side with them. Kill off all their enemies and then see if they can get a piece of the new pie.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

need to survive.

I cannot confidently predict when but I do believe an attempt to change Australian ownership will take place sometime in the next 200 years.

Would you like to take a shot at predicting who?

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

need to survive.

I cannot confidently predict when but I do believe an attempt to change Australian ownership will take place sometime in the next 200 years.

Would you like to take a shot at predicting who?

Seems to be quite obvious....

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

need to survive.

I cannot confidently predict when but I do believe an attempt to change Australian ownership will take place sometime in the next 200 years.

Would you like to take a shot at predicting who?

Seems to be quite obvious....

Penguins?

Originally Posted by Dug

Would you like to take a shot at predicting who?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Penguins?

Fvck BOb you break me up at times.

To answer Dug's question I believe it will be an Asian country possibly Indonesia (long time threat already) or maybe even China (lets face it in another 50 or so years they will completely rule Asia anyway) or even Japan (they have already had one go).

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Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by chitown

Canada and the US are sitting on oil deposits 7 times than that of the Mid-East.

The Canadian sands oil is expensive to get, as well as the oil in shale in the US.

The days of cheap oil are over.

Speaking of oil reserves, in relation to this thread which oil is definitely relevant to war:

Mexico's Declining Oil Production: Clarion Call for Cantarell

The eighth largest oil field in the world will be dead by the end of next year. The Cantarell complex has surely seen its share of ocean storms, human hopes, and stars since its discovery by a humble fisherman in 1976. If you’re wondering whether that fisherman has a name, the man who saw oil floating on the surface of the ocean as he gathered his nets, the answer is yes: Rudesindo Cantarell.

The days when you could find a supergiant oil field while fishing are over. Cantarell came late, in the oil age. That meant this global giant would receive all the best doctoring modern technology could provide. The result is that Cantarell was pumped out effectively and hard, especially after the technique to re-pressurize the field was adopted. This allowed for a spike high of daily production to be captured for several years, late in its life when a field would otherwise go into gentle decline. The result? Quicker monetization of the oil for the benefit of the Mexican state. But then the price: a catastrophic, fast crash. (click on chart to enlarge)



Chris Nelder, energy analyst and author of Profit from the Peak, also watches Mexico quite keenly and we both had an enormously long telephone call about Cantarell back in early January, of this year 2009. While we both have been tracking the decline of Mexico’s oil production for years, and knew that Cantarell was crashing, I was shocked when Chris said, “Oh yeah. That field could head below 500 thousand barrels a day (kb/day) by the end of this year.”

Now, one has to realize that this conversation was occurring just after New Year’s, and the most recently available data was for November, which had closed out just 5 weeks earlier. In that month, Cantarell produced 862 kb/day. In addition, Cantarell had started 2008 with January production of 1243 kb/day. Now let’s look at Cantarell’s production numbers for the most recent month of 2009, in July: 588 kb/day. As someone remarked on The Oil Drum, this looks to be a linear, rather than an exponential decline. Interesting observation. If Cantarell is indeed losing a steady 35 kb/day a month in production, then by Christmas of next year we’ll be close to zero. (click to enlarge)



covered the implications of this supply crash in the March issue of my Gregor.us Monthly newsletter, Saga North America: How The North American Oil Crisis Will Force Ottawa, Washington, and Mexico City to Confront One Another As Never Before. In that report, I forecast the next oil crisis will unfold as Mexico loses the ability to export oil, starting sometime in late 2011. However, as so often is the case in this era of peak oil, that forecast now looks optimistic. Mexico will need all the oil they produce for their own economy. But to have an economy, Mexico will also need to solve the problem of another decline: the crash in oil revenues, upon which Mexico has depended for so many decades.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1578...-for-cantarell

Reading this thread I would say that Chitown should wear the "asshat" for being the most ignorant and stupid poster. I mean really.

Is a Future without War Possible?

JHC people of course it is possible

will it be that way is an entirely different question .

War will never end. Ever!

^

possible to find some comfort in that also , as it implies we won't succeed in destroying the earth

Originally Posted by Mid

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possible to find some comfort in that also , as it implies we won't succeed in destroying the earth

That is unlikely. I think that the earth will evict us soon enough. It is happening now.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Reading this thread I would say that Chitown should wear the "asshat" for being the most ignorant and stupid poster. I mean really.

In defense of Chi. I couldn't extend the 'ignorant' label towards him. Just a different thinker......I would, more often than not, find myself counter to Chitown and many others {as they might with me}. But my personal oppositions don't automatically suggest that one might be stupid as such. Conditioning and institutional indoctrination have a great play in how we perceive life around us. Unfortunately, so does cultural-centricity as well as what might pass as nationalism. The most well-educated individual could easily be manipulated and instilled with such characteristics, where as the everyday underclass contemporary might exceed in open and tolerant traits. Comparatives and superlatives, standards and absolutes - they tend to impede our thought process and reasoning.

Can't believe I'm trying this, but good post RS -- the truth always lies somewhere in the middle.

Wars over commodities and resources? Governments and markets will sort those issues out. Now religon, that's something people can sink their teeth into. Nothing like religon to inflame hatred and violence.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Wars over commodities and resources? Governments and markets will sort those issues out. Now religon, that's something people can sink their teeth into. Nothing like religon to inflame hatred and violence.

They are very good at what they do.