Thread: French pool bans 'burkini' swim

Seems like some local authorities in the UK were asking others to cover up during 'Muslim' swimming sessions. It didn't exactly go down a bundle with everyone else.....

From the London Evening Standard:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23733027-details/Swimming+pool%27s+dress+code+for+non-Muslims+is+scrapped/article.do

Originally Posted by caller

Seems like some local authorities in the UK were asking others to cover up during 'Muslim' swimming sessions. It didn't exactly go down a bundle with everyone else.....

I'm sensing those "local authorities" were non muslims. Merely PC do gooders. They do as much damage to moderate muslims as the radical muslims do. The ones in the burkinis probably couldn't have cared less if they were swimming next to women in bikinis. They would probably be offended and disgusted swimming next to a man in a speedo though, as most of us would be as well.

I'd suspect they want men in speedos to ensure they don't blow the whole fukkin pool to kingdom come. Sounds logical to me. How much C-4 can you pack into a Speedo without looking like ... me?




Heh.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I'd suspect they want men in speedos to ensure they don't blow the whole fukkin pool to kingdom come. Sounds logical to me. How much C-4 can you pack into a Speedo without looking like ... me? Heh.

When's the last time a women in a burkini exploded a bomb in a french swimming pool? Is it a real threat? Paranoid much? In fact, you hate the french and don't swim in their pools, so why exactly do you feel threatened?

I respect the French to decide what attire is acceptable in their community EXACTLY as I respect the Saudis to determine what attire is acceptable in theirs.

It all falls apart when it becomes one-way.

Swimmers are told to wear burkinis

British swimming pools are imposing Muslim dress codes in a move described as divisive by Labour MPs.



By Patrick Sawer
Published: 9:00PM BST 15 Aug 2009

UK councils running restricted swimming session for Muslims


Under the rules, swimmers – including non-Muslims – are barred from entering the pool in normal swimming attire.
Instead they are told that they must comply with the "modest" code of dress required by Islamic custom, with women covered from the neck to the ankles and men, who swim separately, covered from the navel to the knees.

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• French ban Muslim woman from wearing 'burkini'

The phenomenon runs counter to developments in France, where last week a woman was evicted from a public pool for wearing a burkini – the headscarf, tunic and trouser outfit which allows Muslim women to preserve their modesty in the water.
The 35-year-old, named only as Carole, is threatening legal action after she was told by pool officials in Emerainville, east of Paris, that she could not wear the outfit on hygiene grounds.
But across the UK municipal pools are holding swimming sessions specifically aimed at Muslims, in some case imposing strict dress codes.
Croydon council in south London runs separate one-and-a half-hour swimming sessions for Muslim men and women every Saturday and Sunday at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre.
Swimmers were told last week on the centre's website that "during special Muslim sessions male costumes must cover the body from the navel to the knee and females must be covered from the neck to the ankles and wrists".
There are similar rules at Scunthorpe Leisure Centre, in North Lincolnshire, where "users must follow the required dress code for this session (T-shirts and shorts/leggings that cover below the knee)".
In Glasgow, a men-only swimming session is organised by a local mosque group at North Woodside Leisure Centre, at which swimmers must be covered from navel to knee.
At a women-only class organised by a Muslim teacher at Blackbird Leys Swimming Pool, Oxford, to encourage Muslim women to learn to swim, most participants wear "modest" outfits although normal costumes are permitted.
The dress codes have provoked an angry reaction among critics who say they encourage division and resentment between Muslims and non-Muslims, putting strain on social cohesion.
Ian Cawsey, the Labour MP for the North Lincolnshire constituency of Brigg and Goole, said: "Of course swimming pools have basic codes of dress but it should not go beyond that.
"I don't think that in a local authority pool I should have to wear a particular type of clothes for the benefit of someone else. That's not integration or cohesion."
Labour MP Anne Cryer, whose Keighley, West Yorkshire constituency has a large number of Muslims, said: "Unfortunately this kind of thing has a negative impact on community relations.
"It's seen as yet another demand for special treatment. I can't see why special clothing is needed for what is a single-sex session."
Muslim swimming sessions are also held at a number of state schools around the country. At Loxford School in Ilford, east London, a local Muslim group organises weekly sessions for Muslim men, with the warning that "it is compulsory for the body to be covered between the navel and the knees.
"Anyone not adhering to the dress code or rules within the pool will not be allowed to swim".
The practice of holding special Muslim swimming sessions has led to non-Muslims being turned away.
David Toube, 39 and his five year old son Harry were last year refused entry to Clissold Leisure Centre, in Hackney, east London, after being told the Sunday morning swimming session was for Muslim men only.
Council officials later said staff had made a mistake and both Mr Toube, a corporate lawyer, and his son should have been admitted.
After discovering the rules at Thornton Heath one Croydon resident, 34-year-old Alex Craig, said: "I think it is preposterous that a council should be encouraging this type of segregation over municipal facilities.
"Surely if Muslims want to swim then they should just turn up with their modest swimwear at the same time as everyone else."
Douglas Murray, director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, last night condemned the practice. He said: "This kind of thing is extremely divisive.
"Non-Muslims see these extremist demands as an example of Muslims wanting things to fit into their lifestyle, when there aren't similar things organised for Hindus, Buddhists or Jews.
"It also puts moderate Muslims in an awkward position as it suggests, wrongly, that they are not devout enough, simply because they choose not to cover themselves in a shroud in a pool."
A press officer at Croydon council, which introduced Muslim-only swimming in 2006, claimed that the wording on the website was a mistake and the dress code should be regarded as a suggestion rather than a requirement.
The website was late changed to remove the reference to the dress code.
However, an official at the leisure centre said the dress code remained compulsory.
Earlier, defending the segregation policy, a Croydon council spokesman said: "We appreciate that certain religious groups, such as Muslims, have strict rules on segregation for activities including sports, so in response to requests from the local community, we have been running these sessions at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre."

Squrrel, I find this UK stance hard to believe.

Has the UK gone nuts?

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

The practice of holding special Muslim swimming sessions has led to non-Muslims being turned away.

Big focking deal! I've been turned away at a pool before because it was "seniors swim time". You don't see me calling for seniors to be kicked out of the country.

Like I said before the people that impose these rules are more than likely non muslim PC nutters that bring more misguided islamaphobia to the situation.

Originally Posted by pickel

Big focking deal! I've been turned away at a pool before because it was "seniors swim time". You don't see me calling for seniors to be kicked out of the country.

You could have a senior moment and go running to the mods . . . err . . . lifeguards!

Something DirtyDog RIP already posted back in 2009 and more newsworthy then ever.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-french-mayor/

Burkinis banned on Cannes Riviera beaches by French mayor

11 AUGUST 2016 • 9:48PM
The mayor of Cannes has banned the wearing of burkinis - full-body swimsuits - on the beaches of the French Riviera resort famous for its annual film festival, officials said on Thursday.

Mayor David Lisnard signed off on the ruling that "access to beaches and for swimming is banned to anyone who does not have (bathing apparel) which respects good customs and secularism," which is a founding principle of the French republic.

"Beachwear which ostentatiously diplays religious affiliation, when France and places of worship are currently the target of terrorist attacks, is liable to create risks of disrupting public order (crowds, scuffles etc) which it is necessary to prevent," it says.

Thierry Migoule, head of municipal services for the town, sought to clarify the ruling's intent.

"We are not talking about banning the wearing of religious symbols on the beach ... but ostentatious clothing which refers to an allegiance to terrorist movements which are at war with us," he said.

On July 14 the nearby Riviera city of Nice was the target of an attack claimed by the so-called Islamic State group which killed 85 people, when a truck ploughed into seafront crowds celebrating the French national holiday.

On July 26 a priest was killed in his church in northwestern France by two attackers who had proclaimed their allegiance to Islamic State.

Islamic dress is a hot-button issue in France, where the full-face veil is banned in public places. But there is no ban on wearing religious symbols or clothing.

Migoule said that no burqini had been seen on any beach in Cannes since the ruling was signed into force on July 28 by Lisnard, a member of the centre-right Les Republicains party.

Earlier this week a waterpark in nearby Marseille cancelled plans to host a private event for Muslim women wearing burkinis after they sparked outrage, including from politicians on both the right and left.

The Koran enjoins all Muslims – whether male or female – to dress modestly and refrain from revealing “any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary”.

Beyond this general instruction, the holy book offers no specific guidance on female clothing. Its pages contain no mention of the burqa or, for that matter, of the other varieties of dress that are now associated with Islam, including the hijab, or veil.

The burqa appears to have originated in Persia in the 10th century, before slowly spreading to the Arabian Peninsula and present-day Afghanistan and Pakistan.

In Arabia, a variant known as the "niqab" was promoted by the ultra-conservative Wahhabi school of Islam; in South Asia, the burqa was adopted by the Deobandis, the local strand of fundamentalism.

When the Taliban captured Kabul and seized power over most of Afghanistan in 1996, they made it compulsory for all women to wear the burqa.

Elsewhere in the Muslim world, the garment remained largely unknown until relatively recently. It was the rise of the Wahhabi and Deobandi traditions which spread the burqa to areas where it was previously invisible, including West Africa.

Hardly any women wore the burqa in West Africa until two or three decades ago. Today, it remains rare in most countries in the region, explaining why some governments have imposed a ban without a public backlash.

The burqa is a reflection of culture rather than an accepted interpretation of Islam and it remains an alien imposition in large areas of the Muslim world. Since the rise of Boko Haram, it has also come to be seen as a security risk, hence the gradual spread of the ban through West Africa.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I think I'd prefer to see the burkina on most of those blobs.
There's a reason the men force them into hiding.

...so the men can dress up too?!

Corsica says no to the burkini
Agence France-Presse
August 16, 2016 · 3:45 PM EDT

A mayor on the French island of Corsica has become the third nationwide to announce a ban on burkinis, following weekend clashes allegedly sparked by a row over the full-body Islamic swimsuit.

The announcement by the mayor of the village of Sisco follows similar prohibitions in the French Riviera towns of Cannes and Villeneuve-Loubet, which have also controversially banned the garment from their beaches in recent weeks.

Sisco's Socialist mayor, Ange-Pierre Vivoni, said he aimed to "protect the population" after clashes Saturday in a cove outside his village in the north of the Mediterranean island that left five people injured.

Around 100 police were deployed to break up the fight between locals and families of North African origin that reportedly began over tourists taking pictures of women swimming in burkinis.

Three cars were set alight after the rivals, some of whom were armed with hatchets, hurled stones and bottles. Five people were hospitalised.

Vivoni told AFP in a telephone interview his decision to ban the burkini was "not against the Muslim religion but to avoid the spread of fundamentalism."

"I am absolutely not racist. I want to protect the population, notably my area's Muslim population because I think that they are the main victims of these extremist provocations."

The move comes at a highly sensitive time for relations with France's Muslim community following a series of jihadist attacks, mostly by young French acolytes of the Islamic State group.

Prosecutors in nearby Bastia said an inquiry had been opened to determine the cause of the weekend violence.

Vivoni said tensions over religion had been building in northern Corsica for a while.

There were tense scenes Sunday as around 500 nationalists gathered in the northeastern town of Bastia, seeking to enter the Lupino district, which is home to a large North African community.

The police blocked them from entering.

Last month, a splinter group of the nationalist Corsican National Liberation Front warned Muslims that any attack on the island would trigger "a determined response, without any qualms."



'Profoundly archaic'
The question of Islamic dress has long been a hot-button issue in France, which was the first European country to ban the full-face veil in public places in 2010.

Opponents of the burkini argue it tramples secular values.

Anti-racism campaigners saying banning it amounts to discrimination against Muslims.

Women's Rights Minister Laurence Rossignol said the burkini, which has also been a talking point at the Rio Olympics, where it has been sported by several athletes, was "profoundly archaic."

"The burkini has a goal. The goal is to hide women's bodies to hide women ... there is something profoundly archaic about it," she told Europe 1 radio.

But she also warned against the "ulterior motives" of some in the conservative opposition whom she accused of stoking debates about burkinis and halal meat to try win votes from the far-right National Front.

Rossignol did not say where she stood on banning the garment.

France is on high alert after two grisly attacks in the last month claimed by, or carried out in the name of Islamic State, which was also behind November's coordinated assaults in Paris.

On July 14, a Tunisian father of three plowed a truck into crowds celebrating Bastille Day, killing 85 people.

Two weeks later, two teens claiming allegiance to the radical group killed a priest by slitting his throat.

The burkini ban in Cannes won court backing on Saturday, with a judge ruling the garment could be seen as a provocation after the Nice attack.

In the nearby resort of Villeneuve-Loubet, Mayor Lionnel Luca has defended the ban by saying it is unhygienic to swim fully dressed.

Burquas and niquabs, face veils, are not a Muslim requirement.

They're a fashion statement by some Muslim women, a legal requirement in some Arab cultures, but most Muslim countries never bothered with the things until the fwkn PC left went all Pali and honky students ran around wearing Arab head-dress.

Any arguments against that, bring up your Quranic reference or shut yer fwkn gobs.

This is actually being twisted out of proportion.

I see no problem with women-only swimming sessions, and they should be able to wear what they like, but not force it on *anyone*.

There are other reasons for covering up, like having the sort of skin and family history that makes you prone to skin cancer. Or having Charles Saatchi as a husband.

Twisted out of proportion? Others see differently and our politicians are finally speaking up.

Burkinis based on enslavement of women says French PM Valls
Prime Minister Manuel Valls says Muslim swimwear represents provocation and ‘archaic vision’ not compatible with values of France
By ANGELA CHARLTONAssociated Press
Wed., Aug. 17, 2016

PARIS — France’s Socialist prime minister is expressing support for local bans of burkinis, saying the swimwear is based on the “enslavement of women” and therefore incompatible with French values.

The burkini, a wetsuit-like garment that covers the torso, limbs and head, has prompted a growing national discussion about Islam and women’s bodies, even though it’s only worn by a handful of Muslims.

Three French Mediterranean towns have banned the garment on beaches this summer, citing security concerns after a season marred by deadly extremist attacks. Critics say the bans are discriminatory and could inflame religious and social tensions.

Many also see the bans themselves as sexist, decrees from male mayors telling women what they can and can’t wear.

But much of the French political class, from the left to the far right, is opining the opposite — that burkinis oppress women, and therefore have no place in a country whose motto celebrates equality and freedom.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls said in an interview published Wednesday in the La Provence newspaper that the swimwear represents a “provocation” and an “archaic vision” that women are “immodest, impure and that they should therefore be totally covered. That is not compatible with the values of France.”

“In the face of provocation, the nation must defend itself,” Valls said.

The government’s women’s affairs minister, Laurence Rossignol, took a similar stance.

“The burkini is . . . a particular vision particular of the place of the woman. It cannot be considered only as a question of fashion or individual liberty,” Rossignol said on Europe-1 radio.

However, Valls said he’s not in favour of a national law against burkinis.

“I support those who have taken measures. They are motivated by the will to encourage social unity,” he told La Provence, adding, “I don’t think we should legislate the issue. General rules on clothing restrictions cannot be a solution.”

French laws banning face-covering veils in public and headscarves in schools — based on the widely held view that they violate French secularism and oppress women — have alienated many among France’s 5 million Muslims. Violent extremists have also cited the bans as one of their justifications for targeting France.

Valls called for calm in Corsica, where a clash broke out over the weekend between local residents and bathers of North African origin. Some reports said it started because a young man took a photo of a woman in a burkini, though the exact circumstances of the incident remain unclear.

Rim-Sarah Alouane, a researcher at the University of Toulouse who has written on Muslim and women’s issues, vigorously disagrees.

“Women’s rights imply the right for a woman to cover up,” Alouane, a Muslim born and raised in France, said.

The burkini “was created by Western Muslim women who wanted to conciliate their faith and desire to dress modestly with recreational activities. What is more French than sitting on a beach in the sand?” she asked. “Here we are telling Muslims that no matter what you do even we don’t want you here.”
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...-pm-valls.html

I bought these X Ray glasses off the back of a U.S.A comic, so I can see them naked with My XRay nerdy glasses.
Chicks dig it.

Originally Posted by Somboon

Multi religion countries always have these problems.

Wrong.
These problems only arise with Islam.

If the ban is fully enforced it might delay the Islamisation of Europe by ten minutes.

Celebrate, warriors!

Originally Posted by Somboon

Multi religion countries always have these problems.

Islam is not simply a religion. It is a political and legal system designed to control and subjugate people.

The wording of the laws should be changed from "freedom of religion" to "freedom of worship".

That would solve all the legal and non religious issues and nonsense that arises. Covering up women and making them walk three paces behind etc. has nothing to do with worship. Same nonsense with Sikhs and turbans on motorbikes, driving buses and wanting to join the police force. It has nothing to do with worship.

Sure worship 5 times a day. Go to the mosque on Friday that is worship. All the rest is nonsense.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Islam is not simply a religion. It is a political and legal system designed to control and subjugate people. The wording of the laws should be changed from "freedom of religion" to "freedom of worship". That would solve all the legal and non religious issues and nonsense that arises. Covering up women and making them walk three paces behind etc. has nothing to do with worship. Same nonsense with Sikhs and turbans on motorbikes, driving buses and wanting to join the police force. It has nothing to do with worship. Sure worship 5 times a day. Go to the mosque on Friday that is worship. All the rest is nonsense.

And all other religions are similar just not as EXTREME as islam. Does anyone remember preacher MOON. Wish islam would go the same way.


OH HELL, let's all pray all the religious nuts get a brain and stop this shit.

Originally Posted by Eliminator

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Islam is not simply a religion. It is a political and legal system designed to control and subjugate people. The wording of the laws should be changed from "freedom of religion" to "freedom of worship". That would solve all the legal and non religious issues and nonsense that arises. Covering up women and making them walk three paces behind etc. has nothing to do with worship. Same nonsense with Sikhs and turbans on motorbikes, driving buses and wanting to join the police force. It has nothing to do with worship. Sure worship 5 times a day. Go to the mosque on Friday that is worship. All the rest is nonsense.

And all other religions are similar just not as EXTREME as islam.

Christianity comes to mind as applying to mirroring extremes and fantasy....